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Mummy Xzibit posted:So how cold are USPOL goons today? It's 58 degrees in LA, I'm shivering! -20 outside Chicago. No idea what the wind chill is. Haven't spent more than 5 minutes outside and don't plan to for the rest of the day. Edit: Nevermind, up to -19!
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SocketWrench posted:Well I dunno about you, but I am shocked, just shocked. Now you know why Donny eats McDonald's and not Trump brand dog poo poo If I were in the compost/manure business I’d wait until Trump runs his Trump companies into the ground (and/or has them shuttered through involvement in thousands of crimes) and then offer to license the Trump brand for my products. “Trump Brand Manure! Full of poo poo, guaranteed!”
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DandyLion posted:4F in Louisville with wind chill of -21F. Even with my seat warmer on my farts were icing the leather. 37F, Flagstaff. To think two years ago I would be dying in this weather. Now I just wear a light coat.
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fishing with the fam posted:-20 outside Chicago. No idea what the wind chill is. Haven't spent more than 5 minutes outside and don't plan to for the rest of the day. Fuckin' heat wave! Still debating whether I want to brave it to go to work. My bosses are having call in fights, each calling earlier to stay home. Even the postal service isn't running, and I can't blame them Ripoff posted:If I were in the compost/manure business I’d wait until Trump runs his Trump companies into the ground (and/or has them shuttered through involvement in thousands of crimes) and then offer to license the Trump brand for my products. 
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Mummy Xzibit posted:So how cold are USPOL goons today? It's 58 degrees in LA, I'm shivering! -20 feels like -47 in Milwaukee. It's supposed to get up to 45 this weekend. Which is a totally normal temperature swing.
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Oxyclean posted:Why would it be needed? 1. People like the idea of someone to bag your groceries, even if it's a machine, at which point the amount of respect they will give it will match its deserved level  2. Addendum to (1) Is people like to have someone to talk to, or someone to yell at, or feel most satisfaction when they are told "Please have a good day", a robot doing this will still do that. 3. Addendum to (2) people like to be remembered and feel valued. If the robot is like, "Hello {Meat Bag's Name}, did you know there is a discount today on {ITEM_PREVIOUSLY_PURCHASED}?" That's useful and probably worth billions in investment and research. The first company that can do this is the first company that gets to layoff its entire workforce and award themselves bonuses (To be clear, the future mass unemployability of the human race is a HUGE concern, I'm just explaining why a company might do this). Edit to add to (3): You can have the individual robot remember this information, or transmit to other robots in the same store, but not back to HQ; or only transmit data stripped of anything that can be used to identify without a warrant. 4. This is sillier but if we ever end up with sentient robots, I obviously don't want them to be targets of discrimination that prevent them from having certain kinds of jobs because they might be too good at it. 5. If that robot is also a General Purpose robot that can also clean the floors, or stock the shelves, or answer questions, even better and better as to why its a humanoid robot and not just some self-checkout contraption. Edit to add 6. The Robot won't judge you for buying 6 packages of buttermilk icecream at 4 AM. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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The Right - and let's not kid ourselves, Schultz is a Republican too scared to call himself a Republican - get media attention basically just by saying poo poo that pisses off the Left. I wonder if it works the same way in the other direction.
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fishing with the fam posted:-20 outside Chicago. No idea what the wind chill is. Haven't spent more than 5 minutes outside and don't plan to for the rest of the day. 2degrees in the Burgh, and the wind is so lovely I actually called the cops because I thought someone left a bomb on my porch. Turns out the killer wind blew my ancient black-box mailbox which looks like it has a fuse sticking out of it off the wall. Welcome to the most humiliating day of my life. If you see me on the news, make lots of fun.
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DandyLion posted:I did this in the late aughts (from QA tester up to full producer), so it still happens but certainly a lot more infrequently than it used to I'd wager. My company still hires the majority of its junior producers or designers out of QA, but it's still like 1 a year
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Raenir Salazar posted:1. People like the idea of someone to bag your groceries, even if it's a machine, at which point the amount of respect they will give it will match its deserved level Unlike it's human counterpart, you being an rear end in a top hat to it won't encourage it to fire bomb your car and leave your mutilated corpse hanging from a parking lot lamp post.
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Mendrian posted:The Right get media attention basically just by saying poo poo that pisses off the Left. I wonder if it works the same way in the other direction.
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SocketWrench posted:Unlike it's human counterpart, you being an rear end in a top hat to it won't encourage it to fire bomb your car and leave your mutilated corpse hanging from a parking lot lamp post. To be clear I'm saying that most people are assholes to cashiers/baggers, a human obviously deserves more respect then they are given, but a robot that's not sentient presumably does not "deserve" respect except in the anthropormothic sense that people say "Respect your tools", so the joke is people will finally pay the deserving amount of respect to it.
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KickerOfMice posted:2degrees in the Burgh, and the wind is so lovely I actually called the cops because I thought someone left a bomb on my porch. Turns out the killer wind blew my ancient black-box mailbox which looks like it has a fuse sticking out of it off the wall. Do you have reason to suspect anyone would bomb you?
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Crow Jane posted:Do you have reason to suspect anyone would bomb you? No, but it was a literal black box with that looked like a fuse and bolts coming out of the side. I'm paranoid, I guess. Why would anyone bomb me, but this is the age of failed-rear end bombers who don't know what the gently caress even more than me. It's my day off, was I watching TV too hard? KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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Crow Jane posted:Do you have reason to suspect anyone would bomb you? The cop was actually laughing at me, which I deserve. E- Again, welcome to the most humiliating day of my life. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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How did you find a video of 21 year old me
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Raenir Salazar posted:1. People like the idea of someone to bag your groceries, even if it's a machine, at which point the amount of respect they will give it will match its deserved level Appreciate the effort, but this all sounds terrible, overcomplicated, expensive, invasive and unnecessary.
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Raenir Salazar posted:1. People like the idea of someone to bag your groceries, even if it's a machine, at which point the amount of respect they will give it will match its deserved level Yeah but it's honestly stupid to me. I'm probably not understanding it right, but wouldn't it just lead to a chain reaction? Fire your entire retail employees, then in the next month your profits drop significantly since nobody's buying your products, which lead to reducing your production numbers, which then lead to severe layoffs in factory workers/reduced orders from manufacturers, which then lead to less profit because nobody is buying anything, etc and so on. Edit: I just dont really understand how this all really works
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KickerOfMice posted:2degrees in the Burgh, and the wind is so lovely I actually called the cops because I thought someone left a bomb on my porch. Turns out the killer wind blew my ancient black-box mailbox which looks like it has a fuse sticking out of it off the wall. Keeping "pittsburgh man calls police on mailbox" on my clipboard.
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DynamicSloth posted:The notion that anyone is launching an independent bid 21 months before election day is the joke. Schultz will never follow through, but he probably sold a couple more copies of his book and no one had to think about any of the policies that actual presidential candidates are proposing. Are you saying he doesn't have enough time, or he should have waited? Perot announced less than 9 months before the election.
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Mummy Xzibit posted:So how cold are USPOL goons today? It's 58 degrees in LA, I'm shivering! The border collie moseyed out there and peed as usual, but the Lhasa Apso dashed back inside as soon as her paws touched the ground. I lectured her about being bred in the Himalayas for cold weather but she didn't listen. Spoiled brat. 
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Luckyellow posted:Yeah but it's honestly stupid to me. I'm probably not understanding it right, but wouldn't it just lead to a chain reaction? race to the bottom / tragedy of the commons. If you can fire all your staff and replace them all with robots *before* anyone else does, then everyone else's employees will shop at your robot store, and you'll profit. Conversely, if you're the last company to go all robot, you'll be stuck having to pay real people while everyone else is paying robots and your company will collapse (even if it didn't collapse earlier from lack of people to buy your products). Think of the market as a game of hungry hungry hippos where the marbles are potential customers. If a robo hippo grabs customers faster, it wins. Until there are no marbles left, but at that point everyone's lost anyway and the game is over and whoever had the most marbles in the meanwhile is the winner, because they still have their marbles and everyone else's stupid flesh hippos are all starving.
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Raenir Salazar posted:1. People like the idea of someone to bag your groceries, even if it's a machine, at which point the amount of respect they will give it will match its deserved level I feel like we're a long way from the level of technology where this would work effectively. Self-checkouts kinda struggled with traction because people found them both fussy and because of the lack of human interaction. Comptuers/AI are still not really at a level of interacting with humans in an effective & believable manner, without evoking some kind of uncanny valley discomfort. Hell, I find it sort of silly that the self-checkouts thank me for using them. I can't imagine how an older demographic would react to checkout robots that try to act human like. A floorworker robot would very much need facial recognition, sure, but I think that level of automation is particularly far away. Not to discount the possibility / eventuality of this stuff, but for the immediate future, no we do not need self-checkout robots with facial recognition
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Mummy Xzibit posted:So how cold are USPOL goons today? It's 58 degrees in LA, I'm shivering! 48 and foggy in the california delta, which, is really pretty comfortable compared to other places.
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We warmed up to -19 outside, my workplace is supposed to be climate controlled and is currently at 59.6...
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KickerOfMice posted:2degrees in the Burgh, and the wind is so lovely I actually called the cops because I thought someone left a bomb on my porch. Turns out the killer wind blew my ancient black-box mailbox which looks like it has a fuse sticking out of it off the wall. Last night, it was around -5 here, and when I walked outside to retrieve my elderly blind dog who started prancing in circles instead of coming back in, every step on my deck sounded like a gunshot. The boards were so frozen that they were cracking or something just from being walked on. I live in a rural area where random distant gunshots happen all the time, but it still confused the hell out of my wife who thought I started randomly slamming things against the house or something.
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Oxyclean posted:
I mean, everyone everywhere is using siri just fine with no major troubles. I don't think siri or alexa are particularly "believable" but the secret to their success was realizing it didn't actually matter and people are fine with interacting with machines they know are just machines and they don't need to pretend to be rosie the robot with hearts and souls and can just be an interface with a pleasant voice.
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Mendrian posted:The Right - and let's not kid ourselves, Schultz is a Republican too scared to call himself a Republican - get media attention basically just by saying poo poo that pisses off the Left. I wonder if it works the same way in the other direction. It does except the media is The Racist Grandpa All Over America's Facebook page.
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SocketWrench posted:Oh yes, I've worked for places where this was a disciplinary level act. Write ups and/or suspension. Who am I kidding, I work for one of those places now. No one can discuss their raises, pay rates, or even bonuses they might earn. Technically I don't even know my pay rate because the shop went electronic paycheck and the website they use doesn't have a password recovery option I thought it was illegal to punish workers from discussing pay with each other
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Luckyellow posted:Yeah but it's honestly stupid to me. I'm probably not understanding it right, but wouldn't it just lead to a chain reaction? In addition to what Hieronymous Alloy writes; this is in fact one of the predicted fault lines that leads to economic collapse and "capitalism eating itself"; over automation happening at too fast a pace could lead to not only millions of unemployed, but millions of people who are unemployable in the current market. Things might get ugly really fast and lead to either a corporate dystopia or Full Space Communism Now to redistribute the rewards of automation. Oxyclean posted:I feel like we're a long way from the level of technology where this would work effectively. Self-checkouts kinda struggled with traction because people found them both fussy and because of the lack of human interaction. I'm speaking hypothetically but There's good reasons to think automation will continue and the number of jobs humans are suitable for will gradually decrease as a general trend. But I mainly was just thinking and asking under what circumstances the recording of data would be tolerable if it gave you better service and convenience, and what safe guards would be needed to not cross the line.
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Oxyclean posted:I feel like we're a long way from the level of technology where this would work effectively. Self-checkouts kinda struggled with traction because people found them both fussy and because of the lack of human interaction. they've gone from zero to everywhere in a couple of years in the UK
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A reminder that H1B Visa holders' salaries are required to be made public and you can search them by company to see a list of all of their H1B employees' salaries here: https://h1bdata.info/index.php It's anonymized and generally listed by title only, so don't worry too much about that, although if you search a company that only has a couple H1B employees then welp. My wife always laughs at the handwringing over salary secrecy since she's a public school teacher and her current salary comes up in the top 10 results if you simply google her name.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Okay I understand the concern here, but what happens if you have a robot sales clerk? Would it be okay to do facial recognition as long as the robot doesn't transmit that data to HQ? Given this article posted earlier in the thread, how much do you trust that they wouldn't transmit that data to HQ? techcrunch posted:Desperate for data on its competitors, Facebook has been secretly paying people to install a “Facebook Research” VPN that lets the company suck in all of a user’s phone and web activity, similar to Facebook’s Onavo Protect app that Apple banned in June and that was removed in August. Facebook sidesteps the App Store and rewards teenagers and adults to download the Research app and give it root access to network traffic in what may be a violation of Apple policy so the social network can decrypt and analyze their phone activity, a TechCrunch investigation confirms. Raenir Salazar posted:3. Addendum to (2) people like to be remembered and feel valued. If the robot is like, "Hello {Meat Bag's Name}, did you know there is a discount today on {ITEM_PREVIOUSLY_PURCHASED}?" That's useful and probably worth billions in investment and research. The first company that can do this is the first company that gets to layoff its entire workforce and award themselves bonuses (To be clear, the future mass unemployability of the human race is a HUGE concern, I'm just explaining why a company might do this). Companies don't actually want you to know about discounts and coupons when you are actually making a purchase. There are literally billions of dollars of coupons printed every year that companies bank on people not using. I believe this is part of the move from coupons to redeemable point systems--plus redeemable point systems give you all the user purchasing data.
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jet sanchEz posted:I drive a bus and we all make the same hourly rate but some guys work longer crews or do a lot more overtime so we are always comparing our salaries, especially towards the end of the year. It is just habit that I have generally curbed when not at work. I would totally be interested in a thread about bus drivers, and driving buses, and the internal politics of driving buses, and other bus-related business stuff.
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Doctor Butts posted:I thought it was illegal to punish workers from discussing pay with each other It is. They still do it.
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Grapplejack posted:https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/1090634525863014401?s=20 Since I doubt you troll the redhat forums I'll spare you the misery; Almost all of them believe its a hoax and that he and his friends did it to discredit them and the godly good work of Trump.
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Goosed it. posted:Given this article posted earlier in the thread, how much do you trust that they wouldn't transmit that data to HQ? Apple has apparently banned literally all of Facebook's internal apps after this.
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