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Ratoslov posted:What's with that horse painting? Looks kinda weird in that setting. Gift from Pence.
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Jan 31, 2019 07:59
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Slugworth posted:The Citation Needed episode on Mike Rowe addresses this school of thought in a way I like, which is that learning a trade shouldn't come at the expense of going to college. Like, college *should* be for everyone. There's no reason to say an engineer needs to take some humanities classes while a welder doesn't. A school that just teaches you one very specific thing and then launches you out into the world to just do that one thing forever is kind of a bummer. So rather than thinking of trade school vs college, we should all go to college, but some of us leave college being welders who also love poetry. The idea of college becoming just more high school sounds god awful to me. I hated high school and did much better after going into a trade program in community college and focused on learning things I had a genuine interest in.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:01
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We’re always hearing about the pee tape but surely the Russians have some sort of equestrian kompromat on Pence. I’ve seen a shirtless Putin on horseback, surely he could have pulled a few strings for Pence.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:03
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Okay, now, if you'd drop the weird straw-man part of your statements where everyone but you is an unenlightened puritan squicked by the existence of sex-workers and/or rape, and understand that your abrasive posting style made it appear that you were literally advocating in favor of rape, you would see where, in fact, your statements otherwise align pretty closely with those of all the people replying to you. Or, gently caress, I dunno, good job on getting a rise out of people with meaningless white-noise posting, if that was the goal. Maybe don't immediately become defensive when people take the position that 'rape is bad', if you're just trying to be an rear end in a top hat there's at least more subtle ways of doing that. Doctor Spaceman posted:Joe Manchin. He's a poo poo too. They're all shits. This whole court is out of order. CmdrRiker posted:Putin's best impression of Obama? Also poo poo. Let's pillage cute internet poo poo instead the world is a travesty  Look at this cute git Or this turtle who isn't a horrible regressive Kentucky senator (I assume)  Look at iiiiit  tax me to hell Also, belatedly, Mike Rowe's QVC takes where he absolutely did not give a poo poo were hilarious to me, and I was deeply saddened when he became one of those assholes that latches onto the right-wing grift-train and makes it their life philosophy. He's a poo poo too. Shady Amish Terror fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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Jan 31, 2019 08:05
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I hated college and I hate that college degrees have become another filter when it comes to hiring or getting some kind of livable wage.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:08
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Republicans posted:The idea of college becoming just more high school sounds god awful to me. I hated high school and did much better after going into a trade program in community college and focused on learning things I had a genuine interest in. I missed the part where it was mandatory. Available for everyone who wants it does not equal mandatory. And comparing anything in hosed up America's public education hellscape to actual University is absurd as well. Like I get what you're saying but it's a pretty lovely takeaway from the discussion. Gaunab posted:I hated college and I hate that college degrees have become another filter when it comes to hiring or getting some kind of livable wage. Agree with your point but loving yikes at "I hated college." Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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Jan 31, 2019 08:11
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My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:16
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I could see how someone could dislike their college experience. I personally enjoyed most of mine, but that still requires me to decouple those experiences from the heavy debt that I'm only just now, this year, MAYBE, getting free of. It would probably be a much more enjoyable experience for most people if you didn't have to fret over nailing certain grade totals on a big timed checklist that you go into crippling debt for the privilege of.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:17
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I liked college because I smoked a lot of weed and played a lot of Smash Bros and all I had to do was write a couple borderline incoherent essays on James Joyce, but the idea that everyone needs to do that in order to get paid a livable wage is utter lunacy. There are a million better ways to provide post-high-school education than the traditional college model, and most of them don't require working class kids to drop everything for four years.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:21
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DrNutt posted:Agree with your point but loving yikes at "I hated college." Why? College isn't for everyone.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:23
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Ratoslov posted:What's with that horse painting? Looks kinda weird in that setting. For real, it looks like something from those hilarious/hosed up "Data Paints" Star Trek edits that that one goon did. No way that wasn't intentional either way.
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Family Values posted:My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI. There are plenty of sex workers who do it because they like it. No reason to believe that would disappear. You're right in that many would stop though.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:25
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Gaunab posted:Why? College isn't for everyone. In a purely idealized sense of what it represents yes, yes it is. In terms of how it is in the reality we currently live in, then yeah, it's not.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:26
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Family Values posted:My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI. If sex workers had UBI and didn’t have to operate outside the law I’d think there still would be sex workers AND they wouldn’t be desperate. They’re not required to accept all customers, after all.
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Family Values posted:My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI. Some people choose to go willingly into sex work, there is a porn industry that people literally move across the country to get into after all. At the very least it would go a long way to make it safer for sex workers to not be exploited which would definitely be a big upside.
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Family Values posted:My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI. Social conservatives aren't actually interested in eliminating prostitution 
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Archonex posted:For real, it looks like something from those hilarious/hosed up "Data Paints" Star Trek edits that that one goon did. seriously, that's not a horse, that's a snake with a horse's head. 
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The Glumslinger posted:I don't think you know Sherrod Brown, he is one of the best progressives in the Senate and honestly thinks tough, blue collar jobs should pay well and provide strong benefits, and be protected by strong unions mllaneza posted:Nope.
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DrNutt posted:I missed the part where it was mandatory. Available for everyone who wants it does not equal mandatory. And comparing anything in hosed up America's public education hellscape to actual University is absurd as well. Like I get what you're saying but it's a pretty lovely takeaway from the discussion. He literally said we should all go to college and people learning how to be welders should also take classes in humanities and poetry. I'm fine with that being an option for people who like that sort of thing but boy would I hate that if I just wanted to learn how to loving weld. Part of the culinary arts curriculum I went through had a thoroughly useless class called "ecopsychology" that didn't even try to make any sort of relevant connection to what I signed up to learn.
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Family Values posted:My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI. UBI would also significantly decrease the abortion rate but of course, conservatives aren't actually interested in abortion for any reason other than punishing women for having sex.
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Family Values posted:My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI. social conservatives don't care about prostitution and they don't care about abortion or for that matter any of the other poo poo they crow about - they want to control people, body and mind
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Republicans posted:He literally said we should all go to college and people learning how to be welders should also take classes in humanities and poetry. I'm fine with that being an option for people who like that sort of thing but boy would I hate that if I just wanted to learn how to loving weld. Part of the culinary arts curriculum I went through had a thoroughly useless class called "ecopsychology" that didn't even try to make any sort of relevant connection to what I signed up to learn. Maybe my personal understanding is flawed or inaccurate in some way, but my understanding has always been that having some introduction to humanities classes outside of your field is generally a very, very positive thing overall, because it broadens your worldview a bit and can help you to appreciate the utility of art beyond 'looks nice' or 'sounds nice'. If we're already talking about abolishing all the dumb cultural horseshit attached to collegiate studies there's probably some happy medium where you can just show up to an active music listening or poetry class and call it done if you're not interested in taking more, but I'm also not an educator and I don't know how much good it does to just sort of be passively exposed to someone else's idea of 'culture' if you're uninterested, or if there's some minimum threshold that must be mandated to actually have any benefit at all. I'd bet there's probably some pretty interesting (and highly speculative) psych/teaching papers about this somewhere.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Maybe my personal understanding is flawed or inaccurate in some way, but my understanding has always been that having some introduction to humanities classes outside of your field is generally a very, very positive thing overall, because it broadens your worldview a bit and can help you to appreciate the utility of art beyond 'looks nice' or 'sounds nice'. If we're already talking about abolishing all the dumb cultural horseshit attached to collegiate studies there's probably some happy medium where you can just show up to an active music listening or poetry class and call it done if you're not interested in taking more, but I'm also not an educator and I don't know how much good it does to just sort of be passively exposed to someone else's idea of 'culture' if you're uninterested, or if there's some minimum threshold that must be mandated to actually have any benefit at all. I feel like high school is supposed to be the place for that, though, while college is where you focus your education on what you personally want to study. But we all know how hosed up high school is now that standardized testing is so important.
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Republicans posted:I feel like high school is supposed to be the place for that, though, while college is where you focus your education on what you personally want to study. But we all know how hosed up high school is now that standardized testing is so important. That's also a very fair point! It's hard for me to imagine what a properly unfucked school experience would even look like, so I may have missed the forest for the trees there. The humanities experience (and associated benefits) seem to get treated as a college thing, where grades 1-12 are so highly regimented and test-oriented that they can kind of look like Orwellian extended tech school prep. The whole thing is kind of a mess. I imagine that there's developmental milestones that would factor into when and how much humanities study is appropriate, in that context, but that then needs to take into account such milestones are descriptive rather than prescriptive, which our current system sucks at, and we probably need a good six times as many teachers as are currently employed in the US, and it would probably also be nice to not treat children as spreadsheet entries that determine funding, etc, etc...
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DrNutt posted:Agree with your point but loving yikes at "I hated college."
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I mean, I get that, and the stuff about means testing was not entirely serious (I don't think he wants to means test to provide people insulin) - I'm familiar with his reputation and his record in the Senate. So, tell me what you think he means when he says "dignity of work" because in spite of all that, I'm pretty sure he's not talking about alienation from production or anything like that (and if he is, well he just rocketed past Warren to make my #2 pick). Brown is pretty interesting in that he votes like a progressive but he doesn’t talk like one; like, he’s the weird politician who is actually to the left of his own rhetoric. Which probably helps explain why he just won re-election even as his state tipped deep red, and is a plausible model for how to win senate seats in red states.
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Family Values posted:My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI. Absolutely no one is going to mention the username/post combo here? Really? You need two set up two axes here, which is "must work to live" and "enjoys sex". I'm going to assume your initial thoughts about sex workers really just meant "must work to live" x "does not enjoy sex", which is the most exploited cohort. Now, good news, a UBI eliminates (or rather de-incentivizes) the entire half of "must work to live", irrespective of "enjoys sex", so job done, without any moralizing. However, sex work still remains lucrative in this scenario because for some people, human intimacy is a limited, constrained resource, and if they want this resource, the market would tend to set the price for that fairly high. So choosing sex work would be a rational choice for people in the "can live without working" x "enjoys sex" cohort, just like "enjoys doing math" or "doesn't mind talking on phone all day" would drive any other career choice. (Also "enjoys sex" is shorthand for a much longer, qualified phrase for sex with strangers/performers/clients/etc. I don't mean to be reductive about sexual behavior or motivations.) Of course, conservative morality is what would make sex work still potentially dangerous--even with UBI--if it was still taboo and therefore difficult to regulate/monitor/unionize.
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EwokEntourage posted:Rand Paul verdict is super dumb https://twitter.com/DougExeter/status/927793390833451009?s=19
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Sex workers usually don't hate sex, mostly just the clients, who 80-90% of the time are really obviously outside of what most women/men/people would consider fuckable for any number of reasons. Hell, I don't think anyone I've known who did sex work didn't have an active recreational sex life. It's really just the customers who are despised.
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Jan 31, 2019 11:59
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Ratoslov posted:This is the least-defensible position I've seen someone take since Eripsa and his Marble Economics. Not even glowing-fish and his east-coast Montanans poo poo?
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Dont you guys see, it is actually the predator who harms the sex workers that protects them! ... Wait what??
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What sex workers need is a pimp that will protect them not just from the client, but the government as well
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An unjudging, unemotional, friendly robot pimp. A cyperpimp.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:An unjudging, unemotional, friendly robot pimp. A cyperpimp. No we need a better breed of pimp, something that is all robot and all pimp. Something that can shoot a misbehaving John's dick off from a hundred feet away. A Robopimp.
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Right Wingers are freaking the gently caress out and saying that VA is trying to legalize infanticide with a bill they "heroically stopped" that lessens the number of doctors that women have to get approval from to get a late-term abortion when continuing the pregnancy would be life-threatening. What the bill actually does https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1090687336827011074 https://twitter.com/vahousegop/status/1090346857925144576 This is such loving bullshit
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"Well, Trump and his wall are tanking in popularity, so time to rip open the ol' vat of culture wars. Hmmmm, today is baby killing and sanctity of life! " - The Republican Party
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:It's Terri Schiavo for babies It is so dumb because the hypothetical they are frothing at the mouth over would never happen. The baby would be delivered via C-Section or just delivered naturally because there are very few(from what my mother tells me, she is a nurse who worked in delivering babies) complications during that an abortion would loving solve. This is so loving stupid.
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Even if we disgustingly handwave away the serial rape aspect, it's not like dead-hof was good for workers either. His house, his rules, and if you didn't have money for gas after he took it all and you wanted to leave? He'd instruct his driver to drop you halfway to civilization and make you walk the rest of the way. In the desert. With your belongings to carry. Why didn't you make money with the prices he charges johns? Because it was a company town so cut off from everything that you had to pay his markup on everything so you went into debt while he made a fortune. On second thought, let's not handwave away how he forcibly sodomized one of his workers on her first day to the point that years later the scars still hurt when she poo poo, because he's an awful loving person who should have been doing life in maximum security but instead ended up elected even after he died because this country is horrible.
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