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Kingdom Hearts 3:[spoiler] Prince Hans gets turned into a giant wolf, and you team up with the snow monster Snowflake to fight him.[spoiler]
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Feb 1, 2019 19:06
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Right, pioneering EVE Online goonswarm tactics, devised 20 years before EVE online even existed. The Starcraft 2 deepmind AI killing off it's own wounded units is what reminded of the Eurisko AI honestly. Same thing happened in the 1982 tournament (the new yorker article goes into the details).
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Feb 1, 2019 19:21
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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:Right, pioneering EVE Online goonswarm tactics, devised 20 years before EVE online even existed. That's some Ender's Game level poo poo.
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Feb 1, 2019 19:42
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I only played EVE for five minutes before I decided it sucked, but I gotta say the video of a shitload of small ships killing that 1000+ dollar mega capital ship was really something. Do you have a link or a keyword I can search by? 'Cause this sounds interesting.
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Feb 1, 2019 20:17
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Qwertycoatl posted:That part isn't true. It spiked up to 1000apm and was entering commands that it would be literally impossible to do with mouse+keyboard. You're also incorrect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs
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Feb 1, 2019 20:22
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Wasabi the J posted:You're also incorrect. Thanks for linking to a three hour video without providing timestamps. https://deepmind.com/blog/alphastar-mastering-real-time-strategy-game-starcraft-ii/ APM spiking above 1000:  Note that TLO's APM on that graph looks crazy-high because some individual keypresses get interpreted as multiple actions. Also, mean APM is a very misleading statistic because high-level players spam keys all the time to keep their fingers loose even if nothing interesting is happening. APM at key moments is way more important. quote:During the matches against TLO and MaNa, AlphaStar interacted with the StarCraft game engine directly via its raw interface, meaning that it could observe the attributes of its own and its opponent’s visible units on the map directly, without having to move the camera quote:Additionally, and subsequent to the matches, we developed a second version of AlphaStar. Like human players, this version of AlphaStar chooses when and where to move the camera, its perception is restricted to on-screen information, and action locations are restricted to its viewable region.
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Feb 1, 2019 21:04
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But did they do a rundown of who was present for TLO Something of a ... roll call, I guess you could say
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Feb 1, 2019 21:19
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Mamkute posted:Kingdom Hearts 3: Prince Hans gets turned into a giant wolf, and you team up with the snow monster Snowflake to fight him. Thanks for unmarked spoilers jerk!
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Feb 1, 2019 21:29
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Qwertycoatl posted:That part isn't true. It spiked up to 1000apm and was entering commands that it would be literally impossible to do with mouse+keyboard. It shows the apm of both actors the entire time, with a steady 150 for the deepmind, and the pro players spiking to over 800 at times. it is displayed during the entire duration of the entire video, so I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion. Olaf The Stout has a new favorite as of 01:38 on Feb 2, 2019 |
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Feb 2, 2019 01:21
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Olaf The Stout posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3MCb4W7-kM&t=4530s I distinctly remember someone nerding out to me years ago about how Starcraft is the ultimate strategy game, AI will never be able to beat humans, it’s more complex than Go.. I love that it turns out that we’re just not all that good at it compared to a properly trained machine. 
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Feb 2, 2019 02:59
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Dewgy posted:I distinctly remember someone nerding out to me years ago about how Starcraft is the ultimate strategy game, AI will never be able to beat humans, it’s more complex than Go.. The interesting thing is if people will start developing new strategies because of these matches. Apparently that is what happened with Go.
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Feb 2, 2019 03:04
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Don't understand why that announcer is acting the way he is. Yes the computer is acting differently to standard winning procedures, so what? I guess what I'm asking is why is this guy acting like this computer program is SO AMAZING, adapt and overcome, what's the problem?
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Feb 2, 2019 03:16
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Slippery posted:Don't understand why that announcer is acting the way he is. Yes the computer is acting differently to standard winning procedures, so what? He’s easily impressed and pays attention to nothing other than Starcraft gameplay.
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Feb 2, 2019 03:25
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Dewgy posted:He’s easily impressed and pays attention to nothing other than Starcraft gameplay. I mean God knows I'm not ever going to be a pro gamer and the least of them would own me etc. But, why act like new tactics are UNBELIEVABLE
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Feb 2, 2019 03:59
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Olaf The Stout posted:It shows the apm of both actors the entire time, with a steady 150 for the deepmind, and the pro players spiking to over 800 at times. it is displayed during the entire duration of the entire video, so I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion. Is youtube showing us different videos or something? 
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Feb 2, 2019 08:02
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Slippery posted:I mean God knows I'm not ever going to be a pro gamer and the least of them would own me etc. But, why act like new tactics are UNBELIEVABLE On top of probably playing it up for the audience, I assume this guy is at least sort of closed-minded about tactics at this point in a game, actually. Starcraft 2's been out for nearly ten years, Starcraft as a whole for just over twenty, both of them have been very heavily played that whole time, so you could very easily trick yourself into thinking that to some degree it's a 'solved game'; that surely all of these players over the last twenty years have found the 'correct' way to play the game, at least in a general sense. And then it logically follows, if the playerbase has been playing the game 'correctly', the AI will play similarly. Of course, any knowledge of the history of basically any team sport will tell you that's not true, but if you aren't aware of that, seeing an AI roll into this codified game and just play bafflingly unlike how anybody else does, would kinda blow your mind.
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Feb 2, 2019 08:28
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I'm surprised by the AI using so many workers. Unlike most of the AI decisions it's a pretty basic thing that humans really should have found by now. I wonder if it's a decade of groupthink, or if extra workers are only good when backed up by the rest of the AI's playstyle.
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Feb 2, 2019 08:47
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I'm too lazy to skip through the video to see if they ever focus on it, but I'm wondering if it's a case of the AI is simply building excess and sending them to gather from the next nearest point early on, or micromanaging the probes so they gather fast enough to justify 8 additional probes. Also, do the replays save the camera positioning of each player, or just in-game actions?
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Feb 2, 2019 12:11
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AFAIK you can't micromanage workers to collect more efficiently than they do normally. The main benefits seem to be resilience against harassers killing the probes, and ability to get a new expansion running at high efficiency right after it's built by diverting the excess workers from the main base.
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Feb 2, 2019 12:47
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Cleretic posted:On top of probably playing it up for the audience, I assume this guy is at least sort of closed-minded about tactics at this point in a game, actually. Starcraft 2's been out for nearly ten years, Starcraft as a whole for just over twenty, both of them have been very heavily played that whole time, so you could very easily trick yourself into thinking that to some degree it's a 'solved game'; that surely all of these players over the last twenty years have found the 'correct' way to play the game, at least in a general sense. And then it logically follows, if the playerbase has been playing the game 'correctly', the AI will play similarly. That's a really good point, it makes sense, thanks for bringing it up.
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Feb 2, 2019 16:34
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BioEnchanted posted:I've been playing the phone game Flow and it's been really interesting. I especially like the penultimate level group, the Party Pack, because it combines all the gimmicks in different ways, like this one that combines bridges, walls and warps: When you're done with that download PathPix. Same basic gameplay concept but more complex and you make a pretty picture at the end of each one!
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Feb 2, 2019 21:32
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Cleretic posted:On top of probably playing it up for the audience, I assume this guy is at least sort of closed-minded about tactics at this point in a game, actually. Starcraft 2's been out for nearly ten years, Starcraft as a whole for just over twenty, both of them have been very heavily played that whole time, so you could very easily trick yourself into thinking that to some degree it's a 'solved game'; that surely all of these players over the last twenty years have found the 'correct' way to play the game, at least in a general sense. And then it logically follows, if the playerbase has been playing the game 'correctly', the AI will play similarly. Wait gently caress Starcraft is twenty years old? And Starcraft 2 is ten? gently caress, now I feel old 
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Feb 2, 2019 21:57
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BioEnchanted posted:I've been playing the phone game Flow and it's been really interesting. I especially like the penultimate level group, the Party Pack, because it combines all the gimmicks in different ways, like this one that combines bridges, walls and warps: It's a really relaxing puzzle game!
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Feb 3, 2019 00:51
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KH3's Disney world storylines are all really hit or miss at times and I was really meh throughout the game but then I got through all of them and the story actually started to pick up and things started to move and I was 100% invested at that point. Spoilers for what kinda stuff specifically Playing as other characters besides Sora! We actually manage to make a meaningful difference and rescue people! Finally getting a chance to fight Organization 13 members despite them regularly showing up throughout the entire game and no one taking a swing at anyone at any given point! Also there's something really amusing about a cyclone of Shadows being such a threat in the game. 
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Feb 3, 2019 04:26
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Can't wait to play KH3 on the 3DS
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Feb 3, 2019 05:41
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RareAcumen posted:KH3's Disney world storylines are all really hit or miss at times and I was really meh throughout the game but then I got through all of them and the story actually started to pick up and things started to move and I was 100% invested at that point. 
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Feb 3, 2019 05:44
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Do you have a link or a keyword I can search by? 'Cause this sounds interesting. https://youtu.be/LRlrFudaEs8
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Feb 3, 2019 14:07
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I'm playing King Of Dragon's Pass again and the amount of funny and awesome little moments is amazing, but I will say that my favourite little thing is having an Eurmalda (trickster god) worshipper on my council and listening to their advice that's basically always useless and makes them seem to be more interested in drinking and gambling rather than helping the clan.
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Feb 3, 2019 23:00
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DawnOfMinstrel posted:I'm playing King Of Dragon's Pass again and the amount of funny and awesome little moments is amazing, but I will say that my favourite little thing is having an Eurmalda (trickster god) worshipper on my council and listening to their advice that's basically always useless and makes them seem to be more interested in drinking and gambling rather than helping the clan. And the best part is sometimes it will work even if it sounds like it’s completely impossible. I love that game.
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Feb 3, 2019 23:19
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the kh3 disney stuff peaks in the Monsters Inc world, where the main character is being menaced by yet another growly-voiced anime boy in a black cloak before Sully creeps up behind the baddie, grabs him, throws him through a door, throws that door through another door, throws that door through yet another door, and then feeds the last door through a shredder
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Feb 3, 2019 23:58
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lmao Is there a video of that already? I'd really like to see it for myself
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Feb 4, 2019 00:03
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Oxxidation posted:the kh3 disney stuff peaks in the Monsters Inc world, where the main character is being menaced by yet another growly-voiced anime boy in a black cloak before Sully creeps up behind the baddie, grabs him, throws him through a door, throws that door through another door, throws that door through yet another door, and then feeds the last door through a shredder Or, to save on postage, I'll just poison him with this!
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Feb 4, 2019 00:07
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Oxxidation posted:the kh3 disney stuff peaks in the Monsters Inc world, where the main character is being menaced by yet another growly-voiced anime boy in a black cloak before Sully creeps up behind the baddie, grabs him, throws him through a door, throws that door through another door, throws that door through yet another door, and then feeds the last door through a shredder I loved that bit too. I really wish Kingdom Hearts at-large was more of this instead of making fighting Organization XIII serious and grimdark .
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Feb 4, 2019 01:50
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I loved that bit too. I really wish Kingdom Hearts at-large was more of this instead of making fighting Organization XIII serious and grimdark The whole story of 3 would never have worked if Wreck It Ralph's world was accessible. Pac-Man and Ryu- or Evil Ryu- would've absolutely destroyed all the tension.
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Feb 4, 2019 04:05
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I like how unlike KH1 (maybe 2? I don't remember) you don't have to pick party members. They just drop everyone in the party and let you go ham
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Feb 4, 2019 04:17
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RareAcumen posted:The whole story of 3 would never have worked if Wreck It Ralph's world was accessible. Pac-Man and Ryu- or Evil Ryu- would've absolutely destroyed all the tension. Wreck-It Ralph's 'world' is just visiting every other video game world, so having him as a Link is perfect fit. I just want to see Org XII guys turn up and act all  smug and superior, only to get brutally and/or embarrassingly owned by Disney characters.
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Feb 4, 2019 07:37
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Wreck-It Ralph's 'world' is just visiting every other video game world, so having him as a Link is perfect fit. I just want to see Org XII guys turn up and act all Exactly. Larxene could never defeat Sonic, Chaos Emeralds or not and it only gets worse if they've got Marvel vs Capcom hooked up anywhere in this scenario because then you've got Captain America, Wolverine, Cyclops and Spider-Man involved.
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Feb 4, 2019 11:01
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Mikl posted:lmao Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxKHz_uHUQA&t=219s (timestamp around 3:40)
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Feb 4, 2019 11:38
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Shai-Hulud posted:Here you go: Eh, I was picturing it a bit more slapsticky
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Feb 4, 2019 13:09
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Calaveron posted:Eh, I was picturing it a bit more slapsticky The actual movements on that part do feel a little empty, and maybe it could use some good soundtracking, but the camera and the sheer base concept carries it for me.
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Feb 4, 2019 13:19
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