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That’s a sad rationalization really. I know it’s poo poo but at least they are honest about it!
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I mean I just want a prettier looking CK2 set in China and it looks like I can do that with this game and auto-resolve. And before you go on about how deep and meaningful CK2 is when it comes to sorting itself out I say "its great that you think that, but all too often its just staring at the speed dial for ages"
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Feb 1, 2019 21:17
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the campaign looks great but the battles look so small!
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Feb 1, 2019 21:21
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TW and CK aren’t even close to each other. So even best case scenario you aren’t gonna get that
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Feb 1, 2019 21:21
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The campaign looks like it takes a lot of elements from some of the Koei games.
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Feb 1, 2019 21:22
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CharlestheHammer posted:TW and CK aren’t even close to each other. I mean, the campaign map stuff looks interesting and fun to me. I get to play politics a little bit, build up a pleasing imperial set up, that kind of thing.
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Feb 1, 2019 21:22
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Davincie posted:that said, combat animations don't look great, i dislike the unit cards (even if they're fitting art style wise, they are hard to keep apart and look ugly) and there seems to be no indication there's anything but han chinese playable or on the map, i see no nanman, no vietnam, no korea, no nomadic tribes etc. also all but 1 lord seems to start in the north, making the southern half of the map a void for dlc Blooming Brilliant posted:The reported fact that the AI never turns down duels and will beeline towards your hero (and more specifically, head first into your spear wall) seems like a pretty big problem. (Addendum: CA has said that you can buff/debuff the duelists without causing an interruption, which along with having the right ancillaries equipped can help with evening out the odds in a duel.) Mantis42 posted:Good news then: you're limited to 3 generals and 18 units to a stack this time.
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Josef bugman posted:I mean I just want a prettier looking CK2 set in China and it looks like I can do that with this game and auto-resolve. ahh but revenge is so much sweeter when you’ve had years/decades to let it really simmer and stew. I hope 3k is sweet but I feel like all the best TW games have been revised tighter focused versions, rather than huge ‘LOOk AT ALL THE FEATURES WE ADDED’ games. Napoleon ruled, Empire sucked. Shogun 2 ruled, Rome 2 sucked. Warhammer rules because it doesn’t give a poo poo about anything but awesome battles.
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Feb 1, 2019 22:18
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I appreciated Li Ru thinking he could take on Zhang Fei. This guy:  Thought he could beat this guy: 
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Electronico6 posted:the recruitment system from Thrones made it in. Gross goddamnit Did finally manage to have a reasonably fun game of ToB until it just sorta ended because there's no end game challenge at all but I hate the recruitment system. Spending even more turns than normal waiting for your army to fill up hooray I guess if the ai actually uses it it makes beating ai armies more meaningful since you can wreck their manpower but its not as good as divide et impera giving everything 1 turn recruitment and loads of slots for capitals while limiting you based on population classes imo Certainly beats the poo poo out of "wait 6 turns to begin recruiting some 20% replenished cavalry"
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Feb 1, 2019 22:46
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For what it's worth so far we've seen unit recruitment start at half strength, it's possible to accrue quicker replenishment, as far as I know there's no more availability-RNG/cooldown as in ToB, and Sun Jian's faction has a building chain that unlocks mercenary recruiting -- the units cost more but deploy at full strength -- for whoever holds the building.
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Feb 2, 2019 00:36
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I just rewatched the Carthage trailer for Rome 2 and to be honest I'm glad they aren't advertising like that again. Imagine if Carthage actually looked like that!
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Man SA threads get so bizarrely firm in their conclusions for prereleases. I think it looks loving great. I agree that there's a concerning number of moving parts that mean there's a strong possibility that it'll be a broken mess on launch, but acting like that's a done deal is really stupid.
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I mean it sounds like your a bit biased here and are more trying to talk yourself into it.
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I don't really see anyone acting like anything is a done deal. Getting angry at people speculating about something that's not released yet is weird.
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Feb 2, 2019 01:32
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Yeah i mean if it turns out to be a good game then I guess we were wrong and that’s it? You can be wrong it does literally nothing
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hell I do it all the time
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Well in that it means getting to have a discussion about what we're actually seeing in the previews rather than half baked opinions relayed from the video of a disgruntled ex-CA employee, yeah the level negativity is actually kind of annoying and bad. I agree it's wise to be skeptical and justifiable to be a bit negative but "how could CA even think to show off this steaming turd" is ridiculous. CharlestheHammer posted:I mean it sounds like your a bit biased here and are more trying to talk yourself into it. probably a little bit, but not any more than the half page of biased ranting I just read through.
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Lol people have given their opinions, you just don’t like them because their negative, grow up.
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Coming from you of all people that's a pretty obtuse post
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Feb 2, 2019 01:49
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I'm just giving an honest opinion that's been building for a while. I'm a casual Total War fan at best and only took an interest in this game because of the setting. The campaign looks like exactly what I want but the battles have issues that a number of people have pointed out. Look up the RepublicofPlay video on the subject.
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Anyway the campaign really is looking incredibly good. I actually like the Rome 2 / Attila campaigns but I do think they're in lots of places super extraneous; basically civilization-lite, adding busy work but not really doing much that's meaningful to the battles themselves. With this game's characters + the retinues making them directly affect battles (even beyond them being superheroes), the character interactions will actually have a super meaningful effect.Mantis42 posted:I'm just giving an honest opinion that's been building for a while. I'm a casual Total War fan at best and only took an interest in this game because of the setting. The campaign looks like exactly what I want but the battles have issues that a number of people have pointed out. Look up the RepublicofPlay video on the subject. This dude is an ex-CA employee who got blacklisted after he went on a drunken tirade after leaving the company and has been butthurt about it ever since. I'm not saying he can't have valid opinions but he hasn't even played the game; this is basically what I was talking about--most of the criticisms over the last page seem to be literally his points, and it's a really weak source to get them from. Like the always seeking duels thing. I don't think that's actually been verified at all, and yet now everyone's acting like it's the case? Koramei fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Feb 2, 2019 |
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Koramei posted:Coming from you of all people that's a pretty obtuse post Mantis42 posted:I'm just giving an honest opinion that's been building for a while. I'm a casual Total War fan at best and only took an interest in this game because of the setting. The campaign looks like exactly what I want but the battles have issues that a number of people have pointed out. Look up the RepublicofPlay video on the subject. Look at this biased post.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen you make a single meaningful post in the like 5+ years I've been seeing you in these threads. I agree my post was a bit reductive, but at the same time, gently caress off.
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Last few pages seemed fine by me?  Some people expressed some concerns and doubts they had, brought in some points, making a thing of it seems a bit much. You'd think there'd been some real TWC posting for these reactions to feel warranted, but it's all pretty whatever?
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Koramei posted:I'm not sure I've ever seen you make a single meaningful post in the like 5+ years I've been seeing you in these threads. I agree my post was a bit reductive, but at the same time, gently caress off. I mean ive never seen you make a meaningful post, hell what even is a meaningful post? This a forum I don’t think you can make a meaningful post. maybe calm down a bit? I think your taking this way to personal.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean ive never seen you make a meaningful post, hell what even is a meaningful post? This a forum I don’t think you can make a meaningful post. maybe calm down a bit? I think your taking this way to personal. i only lurk this thread but you're kind of posting like a stupid rear end in a top hat right now tbh
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Koramei posted:Anyway the campaign really is looking incredibly good. I actually like the Rome 2 / Attila campaigns but I do think they're in lots of places super extraneous; basically civilization-lite, adding busy work but not really doing much that's meaningful to the battles themselves. With this game's characters + the retinues making them directly affect battles (even beyond them being superheroes), the character interactions will actually have a super meaningful effect. there was a big streamer event where they got to play in which a bunch of them brought up issues with the battles
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Reiterpallasch posted:i only lurk this thread but you're kind of posting like a stupid rear end in a top hat right now tbh Go back to lurking please
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Davincie posted:there was a big streamer event where they got to play in which a bunch of them brought up issues with the battles Wasn't it mostly just the speed of them / characters being too strong? I didn't watch every preview video but most of the more specific complaints I've heard seem to be coming from that guy, who did not go to the event. I agree the battles look like a letdown right now but mostly in ways that seem like they'll be very different after some balance. Speed / character strength and even sync kills (unless they didn't record any, which seems very unlikely considering all the dueling animations) are just numbers to change.
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I think the game looks awesome so far. TW needs some new mechanics to spice things up and I like that they are experimenting. Gives me a real reason to drop 50 bucks on yet another game.
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This is the company that made Rome 2 and companies in general try to put their best foot forward, if their best foot is full of valid things to criticise then if you buy this (or any) game day 1 you're dumb. If people criticising the game upsets you Koramei then be less invested in it i guess In my opinion the battles look real bad to me and the romance superhero genreals is a bit eh
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I don't give a crap about people criticizing the game and I have plenty of worries about it myself. Just when the entire discourse swings into overwhelming negativity because a few people made baselessly firm posts, then it's dumb. There are things to be worried about, there are things to be excited about. I was hoping to talk about some of the latter after seeing that video today but for some reason strategy game threads almost never have the kinda climate where we actually do that around here. Also honestly I'm not sure about the whole best foot forward thing here; I mean obviously it's a thing, but to the extent that they're unwilling to show flaws at all and any showing up is damning, I don't think so--CA has been pretty candid since the Rome 2 fiasco, and from a more cynical perspective, displaying their product warts and all builds trust. Obviously not if it makes the thing look like a flaming pile of poo poo, but the perspective that it's doing that seems mostly confined to that butthurt ex-employee on youtube and this SA thread, hence my original post.
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I don't know if 3K will be a good game at launch but I do know that we should argue about it breathlessly until the next info dump. It's the only sane thing to do.
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Koramei posted:I don't give a crap about people criticizing the game and I have plenty of worries about it myself. Just when the entire discourse swings into overwhelming negativity because a few people made baselessly firm posts, then it's dumb. There are things to be worried about, there are things to be excited about. I was hoping to talk about some of the latter after seeing that video today but for some reason strategy game threads almost never have the kinda climate where we actually do that around here. keep posting dude you've almost won
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Koramei posted:Anyway the campaign really is looking incredibly good. I actually like the Rome 2 / Attila campaigns but I do think they're in lots of places super extraneous; basically civilization-lite, adding busy work but not really doing much that's meaningful to the battles themselves. With this game's characters + the retinues making them directly affect battles (even beyond them being superheroes), the character interactions will actually have a super meaningful effect. Honestly my only concern is there is so much to do on the campaign map that turns will take forever and I'll never be able to finish a MP campaign.
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Total Warhammer has broken me in the sense that by their nature, most historical TW games aren't going to be as exciting in battle as the one set in a universe with orcs and demon vikings and poo poo. Instead, I look to the historical line now as where CA can evolve their strategic map mechanics, and so far stuff like the spies video are great because they're taking steps towards making long-stagnant mechanics since RTW1 streamlined and/or interesting again.
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I appreciated Li Ru thinking he could take on Zhang Fei. fun rtk fact: li ru was noted to be rather tall, and at least sturdy enough that when fat rear end dong zhou ran into him one day, ru stayed standing and zhou fell over
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As far as prerelease negativity goes, I find it's way better to have it than not have it. The company's media arm will do everything it can to hype you into dropping $80 on pre-ordering a title sight unseen. It's a powerful and effective group of people spending a lot of money to get into your head. Pushback from internet forums getting you to think twice is a positive and helpful thing to counter that. I mean, I was max hype for Dawn of War 3 but I didn't preorder it because the SA thread was a hive of negativity - and turns out they were 100% right! The worst case if they were wrong, though, is that I would have gotten it two weeks later and had a good time anyway.
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