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dordreff posted:new chapter is out and features perhaps the most important image this manga has ever produced: 
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Wait, why does Emma suddenly care about what happens to the demons as that last panel showing her concern at “Norman’s” comments suggest? I mean this guy (I don’t buy for a second this guy is Norman) is giving off some serious Akira from Devilman vibes but if Every demon died then all her problems are over. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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ConanThe3rd posted:Wait, why does Emma suddenly care about what happens to the demons as that last panel showing her concern at “Norman’s” commentssuggest? Because Emma knows that not all demons are human-devouring monsters, thanks to having met Musica and Sonju (who is, but she doesn't know that). She likely believes they aren't the only ones and as such complete genocide is not an acceptable option. She's wrong, of course, considering that, if Norman is right, merely rescuing all of humanity would be enough to force all demons to become beasts or less, so they won't go for any peaceful options. But then again, if Norman is right, what's up with Musica? How come she's still human-like?
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Jan 25, 2019 13:22
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oh no, is Norman a bad guy 
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Blaze Dragon posted:Because Emma knows that not all demons are human-devouring monsters, thanks to having met Musica and Sonju (who is, but she doesn't know that). She likely believes they aren't the only ones and as such complete genocide is not an acceptable option. If the demons can also sexually reproduce and pass down traits that way, they could in possibility have stabilized offspring who would not degrade.
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Jan 25, 2019 13:52
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Yeah not seeing the downside here. You doom their civilization either way in some fashion.
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Jan 25, 2019 14:01
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I think it's because Emma's plan that they've already made progress in is to reforge the promise and escape without resorting to violence, and this flies directly in the face of that
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Jan 25, 2019 15:25
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I'm curious how this coming moral impasse will break down. It's pretty clear that Emma is not happy at the idea of genociding the entire demon race. However the fact that it just takes a few feral demons to eat some farmers and the entire thing starts again means is there really any other realistic option? Norman also basically went to the center HQ of their organized atrocities and watched all nature of horrors so his outlook is going to be different than Emma's especially with the two helpful demons. I'm really curious how those two maintain their sapience and if that will be addressed since it's a huge deal with this new revelation. I hope it doesn't get framed as simply as Norman is like the demons he hates since the situation is a lot more complicated than that. I'm not sure how you reforge the promise in anyway other than the previous one without total destruction. The demons have only one option really so how do they bargain it?
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Jan 25, 2019 15:39
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Any situation with sentient life should not be resolved with genocide. From a moral standpoint, the demons have just as much of a right to exist as the humans. And just killing them all is not the type of easy answer the old Norman would come up with This is going to get messy...
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Jan 25, 2019 17:16
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Yeah the situation got seriously complicated since you have two species that simply can't coexist. The demons require eating humans to maintain sapience so they literally have nothing to negotiate other than what they offered initially which was "we will only eat SOME of you we raise for slaughter." They can't just go their separate ways since the demons require humans while the humans have nothing they want from the other side except to be left alone. I think the missing information is how Sonju and Musica survive. Additionally Musica looks WAY more human than any other demon we have seen and with the latest revelation that raises questions.
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Jan 25, 2019 17:31
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I wonder if part of Emma's hesitation is that all out genocidal war is gonna get a poo poo ton of kids murdered.
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Jan 25, 2019 19:31
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I'm sure a non-genocide solution would be to let the demons have their own area, where they can have a certain amount of humans, separate from where humans live.
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Half of Dracula posted:I'm sure a non-genocide solution would be to let the demons have their own area, where they can have a certain amount of humans, separate from where humans live. Isnt this already the status quo of the universe?
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Jan 25, 2019 21:28
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Fabricated posted:Yeah not seeing the downside here. Norman would be starting a two front war against both the demons, and the Ratri family + humanity. The current balance is something both sides want to maintain and there's no guarantee that either side won't just scorch earth Norman and his faction to keep the promise from being broken.
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Jan 25, 2019 22:01
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I imagine the Promise has some magic bullshit that fixes the demons too or something.
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Fabricated posted:I imagine the Promise has some magic bullshit that fixes the demons too or something. It's this. Emma's alternate dimension vision with the demon god had the same tenor as Edward Elric's meetings with the alchemy god or whatever. I'm thinking Emma will be able to talk herself into a Deus ex machina ending. I'm also now glad I went through the manga first, because images like Mama staring Emma down and the sudden reveal of the demon council table, with the unpronounceable name, were really effective in black and white, but felt weaker in motion.
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Jan 26, 2019 01:39
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The demons should just eat other sentient demons to maintain their sentience.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:38
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Pewdiepie posted:The demons should just eat other sentient demons to maintain their sentience. I assume that is what Sonjuu does. UP AND ADAM posted:
Well the Anime did not even use the unpronounceable name going just for "Him"
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Jan 26, 2019 07:12
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Hi! Just watched the first episode of this. Question for those caught up with the story: jesus are more kids going to get killed? Call me a big sissy but uhhh i don’t think i can stomach watching a series where child harm is the central plot.
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Jan 26, 2019 11:22
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Lube Enthusiast posted:Hi! Just watched the first episode of this. Question for those caught up with the story: jesus are more kids going to get killed? Call me a big sissy but uhhh i don’t think i can stomach watching a series where child harm is the central plot. Unfortunately, yes.
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Jan 26, 2019 11:26
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Dang, Thanks for the warning. I’m unfortunately gonna have to drop this. It looks really good otherwise.
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Jan 26, 2019 11:30
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Its not very common fwiw
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Jan 26, 2019 11:45
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Lube Enthusiast posted:Dang, Thanks for the warning. I’m unfortunately gonna have to drop this. It looks really good otherwise. The kids also rack up kills on the demons
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Jan 26, 2019 18:14
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Lube Enthusiast posted:Hi! Just watched the first episode of this. Question for those caught up with the story: jesus are more kids going to get killed? Call me a big sissy but uhhh i don’t think i can stomach watching a series where child harm is the central plot. No other kids will die while they're at the orphanage.
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Jan 26, 2019 18:27
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AtomikKrab posted:The kids also rack up kills on the demons and it rules
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Jan 26, 2019 18:40
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Lube Enthusiast posted:Hi! Just watched the first episode of this. Question for those caught up with the story: jesus are more kids going to get killed? Call me a big sissy but uhhh i don’t think i can stomach watching a series where child harm is the central plot. The first guy gave you bad info. Child harm is pretty rare after the set up. We have yet to see another kid that young die.
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There's two things you need to know before you think about the child harm. 1) Children are constantly in danger. 2) Emma does not like children being constantly in danger. 3) You do not gently caress with Emma, ever. Even if she likes you. Ergo, you can be calm, children will suffer but they do not die. For all this series is dark, it is always heavily optimistic.
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I'm glad everyone can have a moment of calm and happiness after all that's happened. And the original trio is happily back together. This was a very cute chapter 
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link. https://readms.net/r/neverland/121/5650/1
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Incredibly nervous to find out what the other kids eat.
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Feb 1, 2019 19:16
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What are the chances this is just a new farm?
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Emma, being the protagonist is almost certainly correct so Norman has to be wrong. "Completely genocide the enemy" is something that a Weekly Jump series generally is going to avoid explicitly saying is the best thing (Chimera Ant arc is an outlier here) for the hero to do. Also duh, we've already discussed the promise and had it set as a goal so it can't just be dropped as a solution. Norman is either in on something bad, or he has been thoroughly baited into doing this for some reason. Maybe this is a honey pot and the demons are willing to eat a few burned plants to be able to somehow instantly reap a whole city of high quality meat all at once.
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Fabricated posted:Emma, being the protagonist is almost certainly correct so Norman has to be wrong. The Chimera Ant arc isn't an exception; a lot of Chimera Ants survived the arc, and I believe there are now more Chimera Ant Nen users than human ones in the HxH world.
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Silver2195 posted:The Chimera Ant arc isn't an exception; a lot of Chimera Ants survived the arc, and I believe there are now more Chimera Ant Nen users than human ones in the HxH world.
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Fabricated posted:I mean in the overall goal. Weren't the hunters supposed to totally wipe the ants out? They were, but they decided against it when they learned that Chimera Ants could live without eating humans.
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they're eating demons
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I think Norman's probably on the level but has bad info that's going to lead them into a trap if they go through with it. Unless there's straight up brainwashing at play I don't see Norman being the traitor type.
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I think the main issue is going to be Norman and Emma's ideologies clashing moving forward
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Sri.Theo posted:What are the chances this is just a new farm? This is my thinking. This chapter had me with a really uneasy feeling. It's just too good and too close to the farm they escaped in the first place. The framing of Emma's reactions to her friends accepting this new reality really makes me think there's a problem here, but I'm not sure how to interpret that ending if this being a trap is the case.
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I think it'd be a cool twist if they did just genocide the demons and live in peace because they know they can't trust the human world
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