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https://twitter.com/KenJennings/status/1091538881143402496
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Feb 2, 2019 18:50
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Crow Jane posted:Was Gillespie the one who married a much, much younger black woman and had a bunch of costumed antebellum parties, or am I thinking of another Virginia pol? Or did I dream it? That's Joe Morrissey. He's a trip.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:51
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My point stands that I keep seeing this argument that voting for the lesser evil after my preferred candidate lost the primary somehow means I'm a smug enabler of...the even worse fascist candidate that then may lose? Or at least their policies, which I have then twice voted against? E: Which I guess also somehow wipes out any good I may have done trying to donate what little money I can to charitable and/or leftist orgs? Please, continue to explain to me my motivations. It may be enlightening.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:52
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King of Solomon posted:Okay, the D is superior, but still so vile that I could not in good conscience vote for them. So you’re okay with ObamaCare being repealed? Because Manchin and Donnelly were necessary votes on that.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:53
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I'm not a Virginia Democrat but I recall this place was pretty heavily Perriello in the primary, and I gotta be honest--portraying yourself as a dog owner rubbing a disobedient pet's nose in its own piss isn't like, super patronizing and completely repugnant or anything. You must be a real hit at parties. "I AM MORALLY SUPERIOR TO ALL OF YOU! WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ME, YOU MORONS?!" Your assumption that I'm doing this to try to gloat and to lord it over people is deeply erroneous. I don't give one single poo poo if you like me or not. I'm trying to get people to stop repeating the same god drat mistakes, because these mistakes have a tangible impact on our lives. In this case, we're fortunate that not only did Northam actually win, but also Northam will be immediately replaced by Fairfax, so the outcome is good (or at least not actively harmful). We can maybe then focus on learning a lesson from this event and applying it to future events.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:53
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King of Solomon posted:Okay, the D is superior, but still so vile that I could not in good conscience vote for them. Okay, and you find them so vile that you are willing to damage every single other Democrat because you do not agree with them? Because nobody - literally loving nobody here - is like "YEAH, I LOVE JOE MANCHIN!" Nobody here is chomping at the bit to go out and volunteer for Joe Manchin. But Joe Manchin being a senator instead of Patrick Morrisey gives the Ds a little bit more power. A little bit more influence. Do I expect much out of Joe Manchin? No. Do I want him to get primaried by whoever the WV equivalent of AOC is? gently caress yes. But I'll still loving vote for him, because the alternative is way worse. In the case where somehow the Republican party is not a bunch of goddamn psychopaths, or where we get a non-dumb as poo poo voting system so I can vote for a third party without hindering the most viable opposition to whatever insane flat tax death cultist the Republicans put up, sure. Vote for whoever the gently caress. Push for a sensible voting system. But until that happens, even if the Dems put up a candidate I'm not fond of and they win the primary, I'm going to vote for them because that's a hell of a lot better than whoever the Republicans are putting out. That isn't an endorsement of the system! It is an acknowledgement that the system is bullshit and the best way to deal with it is "vote for the Dems" and "primary out the regressive fuckers in the Dem party"!
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Feb 2, 2019 18:54
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Did Northam resign yet
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Feb 2, 2019 18:54
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SKULL.GIF posted:Your assumption that I'm doing this to try to gloat and to lord it over people is deeply erroneous. I don't give one single poo poo if you like me or not. Your second sentence would seem to contradict the first. No one is proud of the fact that they helped to elect Northam, but the way you people are acting it's like we knew about the picture in the primaries and didn't tell anyone. YBF and others who worked hard to get him elected feel betrayed and angry. All you're doing is rubbing salt in the wound because it makes you feel superior to them.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:54
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skeleton warrior posted:So you’re okay with ObamaCare being repealed? Because Manchin and Donnelly were necessary votes on that. the lengths people will go to, to excuse demanding people submit to monsters, will never stop being funny.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:55
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SKULL.GIF posted:Your assumption that I'm doing this to try to gloat and to lord it over people is deeply erroneous. I don't give one single poo poo if you like me or not. I'm trying to get people to stop repeating the same god drat mistakes, because these mistakes have a tangible impact on our lives. In this case, we're fortunate that not only did Northam actually win, but also Northam will be immediately replaced by Fairfax, so the outcome is good (or at least not actively harmful). We can maybe then focus on learning a lesson from this event and applying it to future events. So you’re shouting at people who have consistently said “vote left in the primaries, then always vote blue in the general” that they’re idiots who repeat the same goddamned mistakes of... voting left in the primaries? Supporting Dems in the general?
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Feb 2, 2019 18:55
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Did Northam resign yet No he went down to the Klavern and doubled down.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:56
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This system is so corrupt that I refuse to use what little influence I have over it at all!
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Feb 2, 2019 18:56
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the lengths people will go to, to excuse demanding people submit to monsters, will never stop being funny. Keeping ObamaCare is a length I will go to? Oh, God forbid, we keep a system in place that’s better than not having it.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:58
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Feinne posted:No he went down to the Klavern and doubled down. "Look! Look at this Klan robe that I found in my closet! It's never been worn! Clearly that isn't me in the picture!" 
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Feb 2, 2019 18:58
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skeleton warrior posted:So you’re okay with ObamaCare being repealed? Because Manchin and Donnelly were necessary votes on that. So was John McCain. So was Lisa Murkowski. So was Susan Collins. The Mattybee posted:Okay, and you find them so vile that you are willing to damage every single other Democrat because you do not agree with them? Because nobody - literally loving nobody here - is like "YEAH, I LOVE JOE MANCHIN!" Nobody here is chomping at the bit to go out and volunteer for Joe Manchin. But Joe Manchin being a senator instead of Patrick Morrisey gives the Ds a little bit more power. A little bit more influence. I mean, to be clear, I'm willing to vote tactically within reason...but that's the thing. It has to be within reason. I'm willing to vote for Klobuchar even though she's garbage, because she's not actively vile like Joe Donnelly and Joe Manchin are.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:58
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SKULL.GIF posted:You guys, "VBNMW" is a symptom. The cause is bad candidates getting nominated. Stop nominating shitheads and we won't have this problem again. It's not 1968 and this thread is not a smoke-filled back room. We don't get to just pick who the nominees are. Donate money/time to the non-shitheads and vote for them in the primaries.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:59
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Rev Barber makes a great point. How come we demand resignation for symbolic acts of racism, but not for supporting racist policies? https://twitter.com/revdrbarber/status/1091551615490932741?s=21
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Feb 2, 2019 19:00
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The divide is between people comfortable with the status quo who are content with a candidate that won't make things worse for them and those that are already hosed and can't live with the status quo.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:00
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theblackw0lf posted:Rev Barber makes a great point. How come we demand resignation for symbolic acts of racism, but not for supporting racist policies? I agree wholeheartedly, and as soon as I have the divine power to make Republicans resign because they're racist shitheads, I will exercise it. Until then, however, Democrats can only police their own.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:01
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Haha, this is the dumbest most disingenuous debate. Vote for the best possible candidate in primaries and elections who has an actual chance of winning. To not vote is to surrender your say to someone on the opposition. Morality is a spectrum not a binary. Pretty simple. Edit: Volunteer and work for the candidate you want.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:01
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King of Solomon posted:So was John McCain. So was Lisa Murkowski. So was Susan Collins. And so would their Democratic replacements. So, here’s your position in a nutshell: it is okay for things in this country to remain bad or get worse for everyone so long as you don’t have to sully your personal honor by voting for a person who doesn’t meet your standards. And my response is: your standards are making things worse for everyone, so gently caress your standards and sense of personal honor.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:02
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skeleton warrior posted:And so would their Democratic replacements. Nah, gently caress that. My position is: both of those assholes are so bad that they will, at best, maintain the status quo, and at worst actively make things worse.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:04
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Your second sentence would seem to contradict the first. No one is proud of the fact that they helped to elect Northam, but the way you people are acting it's like we knew about the picture in the primaries and didn't tell anyone. the damage done to the party, and your goals, by tying it to these people turns out to be nonzero. you'll pardon the gleeful salt-rubbing on this occasion, but you see, normally the people being gruesomely, brutally sold out in exchange for facilitating these hollow shells of ambition? the ones who you tell "well, it's -unfortunate-, but it just doesn't serve our interests to pay attention to yours?" normally you just have to tell them they're being sullen children for their temper tantrum. but now that the howling avaricious void you decided to make a partnership with out of the illusion it cared about your goals is betraying -you-, someone who ACTUALLY matters, hoo boy. now we're expected to be loving charitable. there is a lesson here. learn it. there is limited time remaining to do so.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:04
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King of Solomon posted:Nah, gently caress that. My position is: both of those assholes are so bad that they will, at best, retain the status quo, and at worst actively make things worse. Yep, healthcare is not something people need, so says this guy.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:04
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Harik posted:The divide is between people comfortable with the status quo who are content with a candidate that won't make things worse for them and those that are already hosed and can't live with the status quo. And you’re part of the status quo, who is content with not voting for anyone. Because the alternative- voting for a flawed candidate who will make things a little better- is something you can’t live with.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:05
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Missed your chance for page 14 and page 88 there Ken. Unless CYOA books always go to odd numbered pages, I don't know if that is a thing.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:05
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King of Solomon posted:Nah, gently caress that. My position is: both of those assholes are so bad that they will, at best, maintain the status quo, and at worst actively make things worse. Northam is a preferable option to Gillespie, even after this racist picture came out.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:06
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Harik posted:The divide is between people comfortable with the status quo who are content with a candidate that won't make things worse for them and those that are already hosed and can't live with the status quo. No it's not, you're just using this as a way to feel superior while doing nothing of value.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:06
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yep, healthcare is not something people need, so says this guy. We need Medicare for All. Neither of them will help us get there.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:07
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I think it matters that the lt. governor of Virginia is not a Republican at the moment.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:07
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King of Solomon posted:We need Medicare for All. Neither of them will help us get there. Northam expanded Medicaid, Gillespie would not have. Northam's a shithead, but he's objectively better than the alternative.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:08
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King of Solomon posted:We need Medicare for All. Neither of them will help us get there. And a third party or write-in candidate would?
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Feb 2, 2019 19:09
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King of Solomon posted:Nah, gently caress that. My position is: both of those assholes are so bad that they will, at best, maintain the status quo, and at worst actively make things worse. I have already given you a bunch of examples - expanding Medicaid in VA, keeping ObamaCare, climate change, family leave- where Northam and Manchin have actively made things better. You keep insisting that they’re not making things better not because of facts, but because you don’t want to deal with complicated reality. Grow the gently caress up.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:09
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skeleton warrior posted:I have already given you a bunch of examples - expanding Medicaid in VA, keeping ObamaCare, climate change, family leave- where Northam and Manchin have actively made things better. You keep insisting that they’re not making things better not because of facts, but because you don’t want to deal with complicated reality. grow up, children. and vote for Coonman-D. "Expect Nothing. We'll Give It To You Good And Hard."
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Feb 2, 2019 19:10
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Holy poo poo Pelosi is asking Northam to step down.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:12
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:grow up, children. and vote for Coonman-D. A lovely Democrat is going to be better for the country than any Republican. It sucks when those are the only options, but what else are you going to do, not vote?
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Feb 2, 2019 19:12
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theblackw0lf posted:Rev Barber makes a great point. How come we demand resignation for symbolic acts of racism, but not for supporting racist policies? This is kind of my thing with this issue. Like obviously he should resign, but I also feel like this is yet another case of the left's trait of giving a poo poo being weaponized against it and now are being politically punished for having basic human compassion
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Feb 2, 2019 19:12
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'Both sides are exactly equally bad' is a novel and interesting thing for this thread to discuss for the thousandth time.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:12
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https://twitter.com/jmartnyt/status/1091743192993673216?s=21 So when he opened up his yearbook and saw a racist photo he didn’t put in, he thought that was hunky dory?
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Feb 2, 2019 19:12
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:grow up, children. and vote for Coonman-D. How is it that you play elfgames and yet are functionally incapable of comprehending basic things like "one thing is less bad than another", Ze Pollack?
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Feb 2, 2019 19:12
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