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Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God
Half cover is worlds better than no cover, but yeah. The AI takes the best shot it can and will try to execute a wounded soldier, so if you have a soldier in half cover and there's three or more enemies able to shoot at them, it's quite possible you're going to lose that soldier.

Basically, if you think of a soldier in full cover taking half as much damage as a soldier in half cover, you won't be far wrong. And a soldier in no cover takes 4x as much as one in half cover. Abilities that ignore cover are of course exceptions.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Feb 3, 2019

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StoryTime
Feb 26, 2010

Now listen to me children and I'll tell you of the legend of the Ninja
That sniper position was really good, it just wasn't tenable with the hp your soldiers have right now.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Concerning what the game has told you about the shadowfall:
when you first unlocked the fancy weapons Bradford told you they were one of a kind and gone forever if lost. However, since this mission ended by clearing the area and not by evac, you still have your shadowfall

A helpful addendum to the above that the game never tells you to my knowledge:
As said up thread, if someone dies with a modded/unique weapon or just gets knocked unconcious on a mission where you must evac to win you can carry have a soldier carry them when the soldier evacs and keep the gear/your soldier respectively.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.


Will post the pretty pictures shortly.

Natural 20 fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Feb 6, 2019

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

For stabbing people you can pick 4 (the sword button on the action bar) and then select the target and square to attack from, rather than searching for a magic pixel.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Oh yes apologies guys, the video quality on the episodes is likely to be a little lower than normal because of a screw up on my end when I was recording, my sincerest apologies!

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



I feel like the Psionics research (and other long-term research projects like it) is probably supposed to be saved until you have more than one scientist and can either double down to save time, or have it running on the back-burner while you do other things.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Commander Keene posted:

I feel like the Psionics research (and other long-term research projects like it) is probably supposed to be saved until you have more than one scientist and can either double down to save time, or have it running on the back-burner while you do other things.

Yeah, but on the other hand, Nat wants psykers and he wants them now.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





GeneX posted:

Yeah, but on the other hand, Nat wants psykers and he wants them now.

And he's not wrong. The sooner you get a Psi-chamber, the sooner you can start marinating some Psi-ops. A full on Magus with all powers is game-breaking, regardless of what armor and weapon techs you've gotten to.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Y'know, the Cthulhu mention reminded me - anyone else was disappointed that they didn't go with rebooting Terror from the Deep in this game? Seemed such a natural progression after the first UFO - > XCOM.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Some people were but I honestly wasn't. Underwater environments get samey fast. The concept of TFTD sounds better suited for either DLC or an individual quest battle.

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO
Apropos of nothing, I started playing XCOM again off the back of this lp, and am about to lose to the avatar timer, which is hugely embarrassing. Do either of the first missions for alien hunters or last gift give you timer reduction?

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

anilEhilated posted:

Y'know, the Cthulhu mention reminded me - anyone else was disappointed that they didn't go with rebooting Terror from the Deep in this game? Seemed such a natural progression after the first UFO - > XCOM.

The expansion ending and tactical legacy pack DLC both have very clear hints that "something is coming from beneath"

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

tarbrush posted:

Apropos of nothing, I started playing XCOM again off the back of this lp, and am about to lose to the avatar timer, which is hugely embarrassing. Do either of the first missions for alien hunters or last gift give you timer reduction?

Nope! The one Nat and Tea deactivated just unleashes the alien rulers into your missions, which is the exact opposite of helping, and the other one that we'll see here gives you a free SPARK soldier

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻
I cringed on seeing you immediately go for blast padding.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Dr Christmas posted:

I cringed on seeing you immediately go for blast padding.

To be fair I feel that Shredder on heavy isn't quite as vital as it was in XCOM1, since there are so many other way to strip armor this time around. Not to say Padding's great though.

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA

Mordja posted:

To be fair I feel that Shredder on heavy isn't quite as vital as it was in XCOM1, since there are so many other way to strip armor this time around. Not to say Padding's great though.

There are not at all that many other ways. Its like shredder, explosives and ?

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Affi posted:

There are not at all that many other ways. Its like shredder, explosives and ?

Shredder guns/cannons, acid 'nades, AP rounds...the fact that hacking and EMP weapons are effective against mechanical enemies doesn't hurt.

E: I guess some of those don't strip armor but bypass it, which also works

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA

Mordja posted:

Shredder guns/cannons, acid 'nades, AP rounds...the fact that hacking and EMP weapons are effective against mechanical enemies doesn't hurt.

E: I guess some of those don't strip armor but bypass it, which also works


So not that many?

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

armor, and thus shred, didn't exist in xcom 1? the closest was shredder rockets % damage or heat ammo that was literally bluescreen rounds

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA

FoolyCharged posted:

armor, and thus shred, didn't exist in xcom 1? the closest was shredder rockets % damage or heat ammo that was literally bluescreen rounds

Honestly think he's mixing up xcom 2 and war of the chosen. War of the Chosen had a lot more shredding options if I recall.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
I haven't played WOTC yet, I just rarely ran into circumstances where I didn't have enough ways to deal with armor/mechanical enemies. :shrug:

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Doobie Keebler
May 9, 2005

You guys are doing great on this mission! You made the right choice on the hacking reward when you opened the cell door. That's a big boost for the hacking stat. That said, you do have a tech researching. I'm pretty sure you picked psionic research before this mission. Halving the time would be nice but the chance was too low. Looking forward to a smooth finale.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God
I'll note that blowing up walls with grenades was actually part of the tutorial. It's very much a tactic the game wants you to use.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
Is there secretly a window there or did the snake actually spit poison through a wall

the camera is so terrible that I can't tell

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Fix your game, Jake.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

GeneX posted:

Is there secretly a window there or did the snake actually spit poison through a wall

the camera is so terrible that I can't tell

I believe the snake venom arcs like a grenade, so I think the game logic was "it went through the second story window and then down near the cells". The graphics for it look like a straight line, though, so it appears to phase through the walls.

If you'd had a soldier there with a grenade they might have been able to do something similar if you hunted down exactly the right pixel to aim at, and the AI is great at pixel hunting.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
Yeah, one bit of jank about this game is that the animations often don't quite align with what is actually happening.

Another example from this mission is that the Advent officer wasn't actually trying to shoot Funky through the wall, but when he was peeking around his cover, because of how high cover and firing lines work.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Even as a grenade, the closed door and solid wall should have kept the poison cloud off the VIP. Although the ability to determine when an AoE attack will affect something on the other side of a wall is one of the game's weakest pieces of code. (See also: the flamethrower-wielding purifiers from the expansion that, aside from having a grenade, are like the least dangerous thing you can find, but also occasionally will torch everyone through a solid wall)

Also, 20 hacking is a lot! Specifically, hacking works like aim in the sense that you have a number, the difficulty (cover defense) is subtracted, and then 0-99 is rolled to see if your number hits. So everything just got 20 percentage points more likely to work for Emi. That 56% chance you looked at earlier in the episode? A 76% now. If you can get Emi one more of those she will eventually have a solid chance of making even the most difficult hack in the game, which is so hard that a normal Specialist should never even bother trying. controlling a Sectopod By comparison, getting a promotion gives Emi I think +5 hack.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Bolt Casters to the face are just so goddamn satisfying!

TheKirbs
Feb 16, 2018

True reality is on this side of the screen

Bremen posted:

I'll note that blowing up walls with grenades was actually part of the tutorial. It's very much a tactic the game wants you to use.

Saved my rear end during an extraction mission once.

Due to dark events I had 5 turns to extract a prisoner with the prisoner fairly far from the start at the back of a building. I dashed my squad for 3 turns until they were behind the building. Got everyone in cover, revealed myself by killing the commander of the nearest pod, took as many potshots as I could before using my last guy to grenade the building wall, freeing the prisoner. Then next turn I extracted everyone.

Flawless mission with only 2 enemy kills :smug:

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA
So thoughts :

Reloading takes half a turn
Firing takes half a turn BUT ends your turn
Moving takes half or full turn.

You can move and fire or reload and fire.

But firing first always ends the turn.

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Also using aid protocol without being in combat is not very good.


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What happened with them not seeing you is buggy but you just activated it by tempting it later with your sniper. You were thinking of placing your sniper further back and that might've been the correct call.



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Very nice combo kill with Grenade, combat protocol and shadow keeper. That is the way you should be thinking and acting.


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20 plus hacking is awesome hope she don’t die.

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Also very smart with aid on funky.


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So far close to spotless mission. You do still take the occasional risky move like revealing on your last move. But it is understandable given the time limit.

You do get a bizarre amount of enemy reinforcements.

Affi fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Feb 7, 2019

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Affi posted:

What happened with them not seeing you is buggy but you just activated it by tempting it later with your sniper. You were thinking of placing your sniper further back and that might've been the correct call.

Alternately, close the door, move the sniper into position, and wait and open the door again next turn.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bifauxnen posted:

Bolt Casters to the face are just so goddamn satisfying!

It's a great beginner weapon. No range or dodge penalties and 6-8 damage compared to the rifle's 4-6. Just enough to get over some damage thresholds and fill a niche between normal gunners and snipers.

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA
Didn’t think of closing the door. Not that good at this game yet:

Bruceski posted:

It's a great beginner weapon. No range or dodge penalties and 6-8 damage compared to the rifle's 4-6. Just enough to get over some damage thresholds and fill a niche between normal gunners and snipers.

Its really the best recruit weapon. I’m sad I lost mine while stumbling into three pods with my gimmick all ranger team. Spoiler I only had two rangers after that fight and that was me doing a evac immediately:

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Man when that lancer took cover on the second floor I really wanted them to discover that floors are destructible and grenading dudes with high ground is hilarious

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd

FoolyCharged posted:

Man when that lancer took cover on the second floor I really wanted them to discover that floors are destructible and grenading dudes with high ground is hilarious

My preferred way to OHKO pesky turrets

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Natural 20 fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Feb 12, 2019

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Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Oh also I'd appreciate bolded votes for the option you want since I'm too drunk to make a strawpoll.

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