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Cat Mattress posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Eastern Europe: The PiS tape is real
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Feb 1, 2019 16:10
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And here I thought nothing good will come out of the scandal.
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Feb 1, 2019 16:48
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I swear that joke popped up here before
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Feb 1, 2019 16:51
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Feb 1, 2019 19:53
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I read an article yesterday saying a TV actor (the president from a more comedic west wing type show apparently) is polling ahead of other candidates in Ukraine so that could be interesting. Not sure I'd that's a Donald Trump or Ronald Reagan metaphor though.
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Feb 1, 2019 23:43
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Scaramouche posted:I read an article yesterday saying a TV actor (the president from a more comedic west wing type show apparently) is polling ahead of other candidates in Ukraine so that could be interesting. Not sure I'd that's a Donald Trump or Ronald Reagan metaphor though. Well, he is likely a stooge for an Oligarch, so more of a Reagan.
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Feb 1, 2019 23:47
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Zelenski seems to be running on a platform most people at least don't hate, which is no platform.
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Feb 2, 2019 00:43
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populists are literally never a good thing.
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Feb 2, 2019 00:58
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Cat Mattress posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Eastern Europe: The PiS tape is real mods please
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Feb 2, 2019 01:16
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https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditSimulator/comments/ame9qb/what_is_happening_in_poland_what_is_pissgate/
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Feb 2, 2019 19:53
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Jerry Skinner, the lawyer who is involved with the MH17 ECHR case, says there's now 291 family members involved, and they're asking for $10 million each, so about $3 billion in total. https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/563030.html The case is against the Russian Federation, so the main thing is proving their involvement, which the JIT has already stated, so it might actually happen. I'd be surprised if Russia didn't pull out of the ECHR as a result.
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Feb 3, 2019 11:33
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Brown Moses posted:The case is against the Russian Federation, so the main thing is proving their involvement, which the JIT has already stated, so it might actually happen. I'd be surprised if Russia didn't pull out of the ECHR as a result.
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Feb 3, 2019 12:14
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From what I understand even if Russia did pull out now the ECHR would still have jurisdiction over events that took place while it was part of the ECHR, even if the cases are brought years later. Russia might refuse to cooperate with judgements, but they could still have assets siezed in Europe to pay for costs.
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Feb 3, 2019 12:19
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Aw hell, here I was hoping the historical building they wanted to get rid of in Warsaw was the Palace. Better luck next time, I guess. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Feb 3, 2019 12:38
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anilEhilated posted:Aw hell, here I was hoping the historical building they wanted to get rid of in Warsaw was the Palace. You mean the palace of culture? It’s pretty awesome and hosts a gazillion cultural and educational institutions in a way no other building or buildings could so 
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Feb 3, 2019 13:43
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I thought Russia already withdrew from ECHR, but that was actually ICC. They withdrew after ICC official made statement that Russia is actually in armed conflict with Ukraine, the fact they denied. I guess withdrawing from international conventions is their favorite strategy of 'winning' cases. Also, Palace is a reminder of Stalinist regime (and its ethos), so I can see why someone would like to see it removed. Dwesa fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Feb 3, 2019 14:10
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The problem with tearing down the Palace is that they would just replace it with a monument to Jesus or national pride or both.
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Feb 3, 2019 14:39
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Sexy Polish Jesus
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Feb 3, 2019 15:30
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Twin towers of Law and Order. I also haven't heard people wanting to tear it down for quite a while.
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Feb 3, 2019 18:27
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I mean, say what you want about Palace of Culture and Science, Dude, at least it represents an ethos.
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Feb 3, 2019 19:10
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Brown Moses posted:From what I understand even if Russia did pull out now the ECHR would still have jurisdiction over events that took place while it was part of the ECHR, even if the cases are brought years later. Russia might refuse to cooperate with judgements, but they could still have assets siezed in Europe to pay for costs. Perhaps if the rest of the world keeps suing Russia through more international justice organizations we can get the Russians to cut ties with everything.
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Feb 3, 2019 19:49
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Anne Frank Funk posted:I mean, say what you want about Palace of Culture and Science, Dude, at least it represents an ethos.
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Feb 3, 2019 20:35
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anilEhilated posted:I don't know what it represents but it's literally the first thing you see when you exit the train station in Warsaw and that experience has scarred me for life. *Looks it up*. Were you worried you ended up in Moscow instead? OddObserver fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Feb 3, 2019 20:50
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Dude, you leave the Centralna or Śródmieście, shittiest main station of any major Polish cities, and you complain about the look of that cool classic building?
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Feb 3, 2019 20:54
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OddObserver posted:*Looks it up*. Were you worried you ended up in Moscow instead? Or being set upon by vampires?
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Feb 3, 2019 20:57
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that's the first time i've heard the palace referred to as "cool classic"
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Feb 3, 2019 21:11
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Palace of Culture and Science is one of the only good things in Poland other than a load of trams.
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Feb 3, 2019 22:06
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So what’s the thread’s opinion of Biedroń’s Wiosna? Seems like a great fantasy programme that’ll be impossible to implement because it goes against every other party on the political spectrum. There’s even a proposal to fix healthcare now, as if that could be done in a fortnight.
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Feb 4, 2019 19:40
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It all looks really good on paper; the question is whether they are for real and if they can whip up enough voter support. It's hard to be a leftist in Poland.
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Feb 4, 2019 20:00
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I voted for Biedron in his first parliamentary election and I had to get special papers to do so since it was not my district. I like him but... He is not a leftist and his platform is not leftist. All promises while doing nothing with the taxes.
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Feb 4, 2019 21:37
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Mokotow posted:So what’s the thread’s opinion of Biedroń’s Wiosna? Seems like a great fantasy programme that’ll be impossible to implement because it goes against every other party on the political spectrum. There’s even a proposal to fix healthcare now, as if that could be done in a fortnight. Eh. It's a decent piece of progressive liberalism, but there's no real bite to it. On social issues it's good - LGBT rights, abortion, gender equality, although drug reform is somehow missing - but on the economy it's a complete clusterfuck. The program assumes a huge increase in public spending (good, that's urgently necessary) but the proposals to increase revenue are minor stuff like no religion in schools etc. that would raise, if managed perfectly, a few billion zł. None of it can be done without raising taxes and the party leadership is mostly people who are deeply opposed to that (plus they're courting the entrepreneur vote), so it can all be pretty much discounted as empty promises. There's very little about labor market issues, nothing about fixing zero-hour contracts except vacations on umowa o dzieło, which makes no goddamn sense unless you fully accept its role as a loophole for breaking labor laws. There's no ideas there to raise up economically depressed regions. There's "shut down mines ASAP" without a roadmap to shut down coal plants  . And most significantly IMO, there's nothing about the horrible wages of public sector employees while we're facing an increasingly dire shortage of teachers and nurses.It's not even the mildest social democracy, just feel-good fluff that caters to the urban middle class without addressing the structural problems of the country at all. I didn't have high hopes for Biedroń to start with, whatever mild optimism I had was gradually eroded in the run up to the Big Event, and I'm still disappointed by the nondescript Palikot 2.0 we got. He'll still get a good result though because he's charismatic and that's a decently popular program, and nobody here will ever will vote for raising taxes even if it's critically needed so the country's hosed anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edit: lmao the party platform explains that they'll somehow finance these proposals through billions earned by "improved healthcare" and "getting rid of smog". so basically they're completely ignoring the up-front costs of these things, putting vague estimates of the long-term benefits in the "revenue" column and saying "no guys it totally adds up"  alex314 posted:Dude, you leave the Centralna or Śródmieście, shittiest main station of any major Polish cities, and you complain about the look of that cool classic building? I see you haven't been to Poznań main station. Guildencrantz fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Feb 5, 2019 |
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Feb 5, 2019 11:01
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So, anyone want to talk about Ukraine n stuff?
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Feb 7, 2019 08:08
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Hal_2005 posted:So, anyone want to talk about Ukraine n stuff? Which of 30+ officially registered presidential candidates is your favourite?
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Feb 7, 2019 08:43
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Mokotow posted:There’s even a proposal to fix healthcare now, as if that could be done in a fortnight. That proposal deserves a special mention. Biedron wants to get rid of long waiting queues for medical procedures by forcing the National Health Fund to pay for the patients private treatment if they can't find a public (NFZ-contracted) place that will admit him in 30 days. This will not only move a lot of money from already underfunded public sector to the private one, but will also incentivize hospitals (which are already run as for-profit companies) to make their patients wait, so they could charge NFZ more, without pesky limits it usually enforces.
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Feb 7, 2019 12:01
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So, which country's election standards must Russia adhere to for theirs to be recognized? https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1094628634009235456
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Feb 10, 2019 17:18
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I'll have you know that Russian double standards are very high!
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Feb 10, 2019 17:39
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:So, which country's election standards must Russia adhere to for theirs to be recognized? "with all consequences arising out of that" what the gently caress does that even mean?
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Feb 10, 2019 18:40
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They can do the thing the world is currently doing with venezuela, where they just decide their guy is now the president.
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Feb 10, 2019 20:13
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:So, which country's election standards must Russia adhere to for theirs to be recognized? Does this mean that each Ukrainian oblast has to blatantly fix the votes, or what, I'm confused.
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Feb 10, 2019 20:44
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mmkay posted:Does this mean that each Ukrainian oblast has to blatantly fix the votes, or what, I'm confused. Ukraine did prohibit Russian observers at their elections, Russia said next day that it will send observers, and 2 hours later that it will not.
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Feb 10, 2019 20:49
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