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Krinkle posted:I think I heard that being homosexual was just decriminalized ten years before monty python aired. I keep telling myself this every time the joke is "that guy is gay, that's the whole joke, that's all they're giving me here" If it helps, Graham Chapman was gay as hell 
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bell jar posted:The best Python movie is Meaning of Life Every Sperm Is Sacred will never grow old.
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Feb 3, 2019 07:39
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bell jar posted:The best Python movie is Meaning of Life It's definitely not their worst (looking at you, And Now For Something Completely Different). Its weaknesses are inconsistency and lack of a stronger narrative. I would like to have seen some of Eric Idle's ideas come to fruition (a central character's life and death throughout random point of history, making it a full blow musical, ending with Idle's waiter monologue etc). I think it's also their best shot/visually impressive film - and perhaps not coincidentally the one with the least input in that regard from Terry Gilliam (Crimson Permanent Assurance aside). MisterHutchinson has a new favorite as of 07:48 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Feb 3, 2019 07:45
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Krinkle posted:I keep telling myself this every time the joke is "that guy is gay, that's the whole joke, that's all they're giving me here" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt1EY896cY I expect many people seeing this for the first time in today's environment would come to the same conclusion. I think it's more accurate to say their original intention was to make fun of British staid formal self-important attitudes of high office, by portraying them as stereotypical gossiping lower class. Their sketches often attempt to show the absurdness of authority. Even the Silly Walks one could be seen as satirizing useless government bureaucracy. But yeah the Overton window's moved a lot since then, and these days it'd be seen as unnecessarily making fun of gays or transgender people.
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Feb 3, 2019 08:39
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It's also showing them to be hypocrites. They're taking a swipe at the antigay legal system. To paraphrase, "Some people do at night what they condemn during the day." etc. (none of this is subtle, though)
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Feb 3, 2019 08:54
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Fifthing the "has aged poorly, like any comedy" comments. I'm not going to condemn it, because I grew up watching MP and the movies, but yeah it's pretty bad in places now. Probably never going to actively seek out and watch them again. However, I really appreciate and recognize their groundbreaking work and influence that lasts in nearly every piece of comedic media to this day. Like a few pages back talking about Airplane! and Police Academy: great stuff, really tight work, especially for the time. Not my jam anymore, though, and really offensive in a lot of places when viewed with contemporary values. Not necessarily its fault, just nature of the beast. I tried showing Airplane! to my then-GF a few years ago, where she was pretty woke and I wasn't connected at all to social issues (her: bi minority who didn't really watch anything from pre-2010 due to her upbringing, me: then white dude from a white town who watched 70s-80s films nearly exclusively growing up), and I couldn't understand why she didn't like it. I was completely baffled at her uncomfortable demeanor. Holy poo poo I still feel bad about that night whenever I think about it. Comedy often relies on social commentary and parody. Society moves on. Queen Combat has a new favorite as of 09:38 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Feb 3, 2019 09:30
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That's why slapstick owns. The Three Stooges and Buster Keaton are still funny as hell because it's just physical humor and gags.
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Feb 3, 2019 09:37
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Crimson Permanent Assurance invading the main film two thirds of the way through will never not be funny.
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Feb 3, 2019 10:29
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JebanyPedal posted:That's why slapstick owns. The Three Stooges and Buster Keaton are still funny as hell because it's just physical humor and gags. Pretty sure it's almost impossible to find an old comedy sketch crew that didn't do blackface at one time or another. The only one that comes to mind is maybe Laurel and Hardy. The old comedy is still great, but there are some sketches that obviously do not age well.
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Feb 3, 2019 11:00
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We will always have Mel Brooks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493pL_Vbtnc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnF1OtP2Svk
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Feb 3, 2019 11:06
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bell jar posted:The best Python movie is Meaning of Life The best Python movie is A Fish Called Wanda.
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MisterHutchinson posted:* Speaking of poorly ageing sketch shows, I was sorting DVD's at my place of work recently when I came across a copy of Little Britain that had David Walliams (for those who don't know, a very, very white man) in full Norbert style blackface and body suit - something that within the last 20 years was not only acceptable to show on British tv, but in fact so acceptable it was used as the main image on the DVD cover. I haven't seen Little Britain, but having seen Walliams on various panel shows I feel safe to assume he didn't give a particular nuanced or empathetic performance... While we're on the subject of things not aging well, I remember seeing Short Circuit on tv for the first time since I was a kid and realising Fisher Stevens was in it. 
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Feb 3, 2019 11:41
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Pretty sure it's almost impossible to find an old comedy sketch crew that didn't do blackface at one time or another. The only one that comes to mind is maybe Laurel and Hardy. Was talking about comedy falling flat due to lack of social or pop culture context for satire or parody, not because of outdated racist jokes.
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Feb 3, 2019 11:49
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Queen Combat posted:I tried showing Airplane! to my then-GF a few years ago, where she was pretty woke and I wasn't connected at all to social issues (her: bi minority who didn't really watch anything from pre-2010 due to her upbringing, me: then white dude from a white town who watched 70s-80s films nearly exclusively growing up), and I couldn't understand why she didn't like it. I was completely baffled at her uncomfortable demeanor. Holy poo poo I still feel bad about that night whenever I think about it
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^^^ The black men who can only speak in jive stands out.Mazerunner posted:I'd never noticed the scales being off. I always thought that the joke was that after all that hullabaloo trying to get the woman a trial she'd be sure to pass, she failed anyway. Or something like that. Just the absurdity of a woman weighing the same as a duck. Yes and no. Trying witches by water was a rigged game; guilty or innocent, if you were accused you died one way or another. When Bedevere reasons the mob out of actually drowning the "witch", you think "Ah, he's a Knight of the Round Table, he's going to save this obviously innocent woman from the superstitious yokels". Then Python subverts that by having it turn out that Bedevere only wants them to play his rigged game instead.
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Feb 3, 2019 13:05
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AFewBricksShy posted:It has been a while since I’ve seen it but I don’t remember anything that awful in airplane. What was offensive? Absolutely nothing. Airplane is still relevant and funny even though every aspect of air travel depicted is obsolete and completely foreign to younger viewers.
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Feb 3, 2019 13:11
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Jedit posted:^^^ The black men who can only speak in jive stands out. He's not even trying to get them to play a rigged game - he's just that stupid that he believes an even dumber method of trying witches than the yokels. Next time we see him he's midway through explaining to King Arthur why the earth is banana shaped. Blind leading the blind, etc. He's Sir Bedevere the Wise, but in a time where that title doesn't really amount to much.
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Jedit posted:^^^ The black men who can only speak in jive stands out. This was my guess, too. Which is a shame, because it's probably one of the best-constructed jokes in the whole movie (and if you look into behind-the-scenes stories it was absolutely a bit done with love, care and effort on all sides, which is kinda hilarious by itself), but there's no way to look at it now without it being racist. The pilot constantly coming on to the little kid was probably an off note, too. ...And now that I've started thinking about the movie in this way, there's a lot of jokes in that movie that are such that, if you don't find the concept funny, just come off EXTREMELY weird and possibly offensive. My favorite part of that movie is a domestic argument about an abortion, and if you don't find the leadup to it funny (or miss the leadup in the first place) then that's just strange.
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When you say the scales are rigged, is there a way visually to tell? I youtubed the scene but the quality was so awful that I'm not quite sure what's going on e: i mean obviously from the results it must be rigged but i don't see how they did it Sulla Faex has a new favorite as of 13:35 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Queen Combat posted:Like a few pages back talking about Airplane! and Police Academy: great stuff, really tight work, especially for the time. Not my jam anymore, though, and really offensive in a lot of places when viewed with contemporary values. Not necessarily its fault, just nature of the beast. I really hope you meant Police Squad and not Police Academy.
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Feb 3, 2019 13:46
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I really hope you meant Police Squad and not Police Academy. Lumping Airplane in there, it has to be Squad. Right? 
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Feb 3, 2019 14:01
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Police Academy was good guys. Airplane also made fun of spousal abuse, suicide, drug addiction, and PTSD in addition to child molestation and stereotypes about how Black people talked. I think the movie's humor is supposed to make you uncomfortable.
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Feb 3, 2019 14:15
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Krispy Wafer posted:Police Academy was good guys. The first Police Academy was genuinely good and the second was OK, but after that they drop off severely. 3 and 4 have a few good jokes at least, but after that you hit the Black Abysm of Suck. Sartre said that Hell is eternity in a room with your friends, but then he had never seen Mission to Moscow.
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Feb 3, 2019 14:27
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One of the running jokes in the Police Academy series, even when it turned PG, is that anyone that finds themselves in the Blue Oyster gay bar will be gang raped to the tune of a French tango song.
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Feb 3, 2019 14:32
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I mean the 90's wasn't that long ago and basically every comedy film from that era's twist ending was "and the hot girl has a dick! hahahaha!". Python and Airplane haven't aged that poorly when you think back to what was just around the corner.
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Jedit posted:^^^ The black men who can only speak in jive stands out. In the German dub of Airplane! they speak exculsively in Bavarian and that's honestly still p. funny today.
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Feb 3, 2019 15:05
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That and the jive speakers aren't really the butt of the joke so much as everyone else is.
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Arcsquad12 posted:That and the jive speakers aren't really the butt of the joke so much as everyone else is. Plus it builds to one of the best gags, an old white lady who also speaks jive.
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Feb 3, 2019 16:28
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Pope Corky the IX posted:One of the running jokes in the Police Academy series, even when it turned PG, is that anyone that finds themselves in the Blue Oyster gay bar will be gang raped to the tune of a French tango song. it's a drat good song, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoipE_v4nC0
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Feb 3, 2019 16:38
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This probably isn't subtle to anyone, but it's blowing my mind. I have that IMDB app widget and it tells me who celebrity birthdays are today and Warwick Davis is 49 years old. That means he was 13 when he appeared in Return of the Jedi. I would have assumed Davis was in his 60's by now.
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Feb 3, 2019 19:06
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Did everyone miss the joke with the witch where she says "It's a fair cop" thus implying that even though the method was completely backwards and rigged, she actually is a witch?
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Krispy Wafer posted:Absolutely nothing. Airplane is still relevant and funny even though every aspect of air travel depicted is obsolete and completely foreign to younger viewers.
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Feb 3, 2019 19:56
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CantDecideOnAName posted:Did everyone miss the joke with the witch where she says "It's a fair cop" thus implying that even though the method was completely backwards and rigged, she actually is a witch? That's what I got out of it. Would need to see it again.
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Feb 3, 2019 20:34
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A few years ago I attended a screening of The Kentucky Fried Movie with the creators, and hooooo boy.... that scene where the "urban stuntman" walks up to a bunch of black guys and yells the N-word? Deathly awkward silence in the audience. Thankfully it was a short sketch.
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Feb 3, 2019 21:35
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Incidentally, how do we feel about Die Hard 3 these days?
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Feb 3, 2019 21:59
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My Lovely Horse posted:Incidentally, how do we feel about Die Hard 3 these days?  Pretty good. Why? EDIT: so in this version a bunch of Black guys get really upset at the guy who hates everyone. Krispy Wafer has a new favorite as of 22:07 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Feb 3, 2019 22:03
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Yippie ki yay, Mister Falcon.
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Feb 3, 2019 22:05
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I think a PYF TV edits for movies thread would have some legs. "Everything was working just fine, your honour, until the protection grid was shut off by Wally Wick!" "Is this true?" "Yes, your honour, this man is some kind of rodent. I don't know which."
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Queen Combat posted:Yippie ki yay, Mister Falcon. I remember the censored Ferris Bueller, "He's so tense that if you shoved a lump of coal up his FIST, in two weeks you'd have a diamond!" Also, 'this is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps'
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Where did you get that beauty scar tough guy, eating pineapple?
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