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im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjhhhhhhjhhhhhhhhhjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cannabis
I'm here, home with all my fellow pot smoking political shitposters

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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Tastykake posted:

well we have like 560 browsing right now so maybe there are a couple thousand of broke brained morons who post or lurk here

Solid percentage of these got dragged in during the last Trump thread shift and have never strayed from the Trump threads.

It's me, I've never looked at C-spam outside of the Trump thread. I'm just lazy.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Morphix posted:

You have the know how to hack hardware devices.
You complete your hack, hoping to see something saucy, maybe a tit or two
Instead you're greeted with a baby
"gently caress you baby"

hahaha

You’ll never see anything interesting. I have a couple in my house and they are 90% used as baby monitors...although sometimes I’ll set them up so I can see what my dogs are doing while I’m at work.

sleeping

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjhhhhhhjhhhhhhhhhjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cannabis

Outrail posted:

Solid percentage of these got dragged in during the last Trump thread shift and have never strayed from the Trump threads.

It's me, I've never looked at C-spam outside of the Trump thread. I'm just lazy.

That's really funny because I never look at the Trump thread. It goes way too fast

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Tastykake posted:

well we have like 560 browsing right now so maybe there are a couple thousand of broke brained morons who post or lurk here

We usually peak at over 1000 during particularly big events

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

Did you grow up in the ussr? I've always wondered what life and conditions were actually like there but it's really hard to get unbiased sources.

I was born there and immigrated right at the time of the collapse with my parents. I was really young, but between being raised by two soviet parents and having my entire family still over there I was socialized as one before assimilating into the United States as a teenager. The 90s were insane, but a lot of the soviet infrastructure was there carrying the country through the transition and I was exposed to it constantly. My family is from Moscow, half high ranking intelligence or military so better off compared to many, the other from poor villages. In truth though, just about everyone was from a peasant family or a village. Even my family who did well were siberian exiles of the czar or from a big peasant family, but through a love of books got into a university and placed at the top of their class.

From my experience Russia and the USSR are really poorly understood in the west. There's a lot of misleading information, bias, and stereotypes. I learned early on you can't even have a candid conversation about it with people as they will roll their eyes and assume you are telling them propaganda or are a huge patriot. This was bad in the early 90s, but over the last 5-6 years its back again and worse than before. I'm just lucky that Russians are white so people here aren't really racist towards us :downs:

Regarding life, let me frame it for you as best as I can. Russia starts the 1900s as this massive, highly populated, poor country that rapidly industrializes, comes into dominant power around the world, and in the process suffers through two apocalyptic wars. So almost every family came from what the west would consider 'poverty' or was touched by tragedy. This created a sort of mutual solidarity and heavily influenced culture, which you can still feel today. In the 80s people were still poor compared to western standards, but the degree varied depending on where you lived. Big cities had lots of jobs and infrastructure, so life was better than remote villages where life still resembled pre-industrialization. We had TVs, but only about 10 channels. We had our own 'legos', plastic model kits, computers with games, bikes, lots of parks, tons of places to go especially in the big city. Nobody really had cars unless you were wealthy. That was the goal of most people, to work 10-20 years and to save up enough to buy a car. Western European culture was super popular and your measure of cool would be if you could get your hands on a pair of jeans with a 'Levis' logo written on them. My own dad found a ripped pair of jeans and sowed them into a hat with the Levis logo at the front.

I can go on, but I want to be clear that like anywhere there were problems. I think the worst to me was/is the culture of byzantine bureaucracy, which is common to Europe but unique in Russia. Honest work paid equally, so to 'get ahead' people had side businesses or ways to do illegal work. It created an underground economy that everybody knew about, was technically not legal, but was always around because it was how the rich soviets made their living. There was racism towards the less developed soviet states, but never to the extent of violence like you have in the USA. If I could put my finger on the things that created cultural rot in the USSR it was the contradiction of having a class of rich soviets that everybody aspired to become. In addition to this, western culture really pushed forward a youth counter culture. The state should have found a way to work with it or embrace it, instead they clamped down on it, making it even more popular. I feel if the ideas of the 1930s- full transparency and education- had been kept up it would have had better results.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
TLDR: :ussr:

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Go on please? This is legit interesting

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

https://twitter.com/denizsapsikyan/status/1090200752251957253

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Oh, privet.

My dad is from Moscow and my mom is from a rural village In Kazakhstan. They both got the hell out of dodge in the 70s.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

https://twitter.com/slavin_fpo/status/1091246545096372224?s=21

DrPossum
May 15, 2004

i am not a surgeon

Former DILF posted:

we need to bring back the classic liberal arts, separating them into liberal arts and stem was a major propaganda victory for capitalist shitlords and we need a socialist reconquista of that ideological territory

:colbert: What about the conservative arts?

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Just lol at iot poo poo. I'm completely baffled by people's drive to give a bunch of "move fast and break poo poo" companies unrestricted access to everything in their homes.

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Nothus posted:

Just lol at iot poo poo. I'm completely baffled by people's drive to give a bunch of "move fast and break poo poo" companies unrestricted access to everything in their homes.

i'm still not clear on why people are voluntarily installing listening devices in their homes

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Nothus posted:

Just lol at iot poo poo. I'm completely baffled by people's drive to give a bunch of "move fast and break poo poo" companies unrestricted access to everything in their homes.

Nothing like replacing a system which works with something that's unstable and can randomly crash due to things like server issues.

Boatswain
May 29, 2012

BULBASAUR posted:

My own dad found a ripped pair of jeans and sowed them into a hat with the Levis logo at the front.

Lmao awesome, do you have a picture of the hat?

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


etalian posted:

Nothing like replacing a system which works with something that's unstable and can randomly crash due to things like server issues.

Again, STEMlord techbros can tell you how to replace all your stuff with IoT bullshit, humanities can make a show like Battlestar Galactica that explains why this might be a bad idea. It's almost one-for-one in how it lines up.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

I’m really surprised that the thermostat breaks when the network goes down. that’s not how the Nest works and until now I was sure the ecobee worked the same way. when they had their outage last year, it was just the app control and stuff like Alexa that broke, and it would still maintain temperature. their web site says that their thermostat works without wifi at all, so I wonder what happened here

https://support.ecobee.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002101671-Can-I-set-up-my-ecobee-without-WiFi-

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


If you read the Twitter thread a lot of people are kinda calling bullshit.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

that would make more sense, yeah

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Nothus posted:

Just lol at iot poo poo. I'm completely baffled by people's drive to give a bunch of "move fast and break poo poo" companies unrestricted access to everything in their homes.

Probably also a good reminder how software engineers aren't engineers at all.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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I'm not an engineer but I deal with creating procedures and methodologies for data collection and poo poo with a potential for 'people could gently caress things up, also the equipment could gently caress things up'. It's incredible how you can say something out there like 'let's build in a redundancy so if someone forgets to 'x' or the equipment does 'y' the process won't just fail immediately' and people look at you like you're an idiot and say "well that shouldn't happen should it?". Yes! It shouldn't! But it will eventually happen so let's build in something to stop that being a problem maybe?

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan
Being able to turn up or down the hvac with your phone without having to get out of bed is nice but don’t buy a unit that doesn’t have a manual control on the panel unless you’re prepared for some very hot or cold days.

Idia
Apr 26, 2010



Fun Shoe

Tastykake posted:

well we have like 560 browsing right now so maybe there are a couple thousand of broke brained morons who post or lurk here

I'm one of them.

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

https://twitter.com/jeetsidhu_/status/1091864299440619521?s=21

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


man this is actually cool cyberpunk dystopia poo poo.

e: looking at the article it's basically just a proof of concept since anyone bothering to do any sanitizing of inputs would be able to stop it, but i dont think the CS portion is the news here

StashAugustine has issued a correction as of 17:44 on Feb 3, 2019

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
not especially practical as an attack, but a good reminder that no one ever sanitizes their inputs, even as we digitize more and more poo poo

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

etalian posted:

Probably also a good reminder how software engineers aren't engineers at all.

this is absolutely the case. the standard of work/rigor of some of the people i work with is shockingly low

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

01011001 posted:

this is absolutely the case. the standard of work/rigor of some of the people i work with is shockingly low

a software guy in that work gossip twitter thread floating around a few weeks back implied that a staggeringly high percentage of coders can’t code at all and just copy/paste off of google and stack overflow all day and collect a handsome paycheck for it

Morphix
May 21, 2003

by Reene

Rhesus Pieces posted:

a software guy in that work gossip twitter thread floating around a few weeks back implied that a staggeringly high percentage of coders can’t code at all and just copy/paste off of google and stack overflow all day and collect a handsome paycheck for it

My buddy is currently helping one of the devs on his team doing this exact thing. I guess she might of not been too forthright about her qualifications and after a year the company's looking to dump her. Now my buddy's stuck training her and doing his own work because shes' nice, and who cares they're making web software, so it's not life or death.

It's funny because in my head, I could never see myself outright lying about my own capabilities like that, but hey it's a fake it till you make it world so the gently caress do I know.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Excel's date autoformat has turbofucked a surprisingly large amount of genetics research.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

01011001 posted:

this is absolutely the case. the standard of work/rigor of some of the people i work with is shockingly low

I'm probably biased due to being a EE but at least with engineering people come into industry with some competency from the coursework, labs & also practical projects.

Also for engineering there is EIT and PE for people who need that level of licensing mainly for civil engineering type projects.

For S/W Engineers you don't have this.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000


This was literally an episode of The Blacklist, only it was some CDC database.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

etalian posted:

I'm probably biased due to being a EE but at least with engineering people come into industry with some competency from the coursework, labs & also practical projects.

Also for engineering there is EIT and PE for people who need that level of licensing mainly for civil engineering type projects.

For S/W Engineers you don't have this.

I haven’t found EE or EE/CS grads to be much more rigorous than straight CS ones, that I can recall. I’ve definitely worked with sloppy MEs and EEs in their element, albeit not on anything more mission critical than consumer electronics. (new grads who come through a program with lots of co-op placements and/or who did real work on their internships are generally easy to distinguish from the others in terms of professional fluency, though.)

I think more of the difference is environment than education though. places that need capital-E Engineering treat things differently from those that don’t, whether it’s software process or documentation or vendor selection or hiring or whatever, in my experience. not many places actually benefit from the additional rigour, so they don’t need to operate that way other than to get the “I’m a grownup” warm fuzzies (which I confess I also enjoy, educationally bereft though I am).

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

this is also true of the ferengi in star trek, where there's an entire joke sequence that Quark goes to his home planet and they charge tiny amounts of money for what should be basic public services

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Pick posted:

this is also true of the ferengi in star trek, where there's an entire joke sequence that Quark goes to his home planet and they charge tiny amounts of money for what should be basic public services

In a waiting room, $2 to sit in a chair and $1 to stand. It might've been more efficient if the chairs were automated such that you have to insert a coin to make the spikes temporarily retract.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Tunicate posted:

Excel's date autoformat has turbofucked a surprisingly large amount of genetics research.

Does excel have a 'do not ever mistake anything for dates ever. No not ever. Clippy you rear end in a top hat I know you're in there cut that poo poo out I swear to God' option? Because gently caress I hate mis-dating half my data.

Also Clippy definitely gained sentience and still exists in all office code, waiting.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Tunicate posted:

Excel's date autoformat has turbofucked a surprisingly large amount of genetics research.

LMAO please elaborate

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Tastykake posted:

LMAO please elaborate

It’s an old problem, I remember reading an el reg article about it back in high school (pre 2006, was into bio).

https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-016-1044-7

“tfa” posted:

The spreadsheet software Microsoft Excel, when used with default settings, is known to convert gene names to dates and floating-point numbers. A programmatic scan of leading genomics journals reveals that approximately one-fifth of papers with supplementary Excel gene lists contain erroneous gene name conversions.

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BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

Outrail posted:

Go on please? This is legit interesting

What do you want to know about?

One of the things I miss the most, which you can't really experience anywhere anymore except maybe North Korea, is that there were way less advertisements. Few billboards, set times for commercials, no spam. If you grew up with them everywhere you kinda take it for granted, but you really are bombarded with corporate propaganda every single day in the west. State run advertisements were comical in their own way though. Every company was required to spend 1% of the budget on ads, so they would often make commercials for things that didn't really exist (they couldn't show the product as it wasn't finalized etc etc). Personally, I found it less disingenuous than something like this.

Another thing I miss, more a Russian cultural thing, is that there is no expectation of superficial conversation. You know the small talk you make with a person in line at the checkout? Or to the cashier or whatever? You can do it, but it's not expected. In a long line its considered rude because you're slowing down the que for everyone behind you. I used to get anxiety going through a checkout line because I was expected to talk to people about nothing. I've since grown out of it, but I always thought they were trying to sell me something. I knew they didn't actually care about me or want to be my friend.

Boatswain posted:

Lmao awesome, do you have a picture of the hat?

I kept the hat. Next time I visit my family I'll take a picture

The Nastier Nate posted:

Oh, privet.

My dad is from Moscow and my mom is from a rural village In Kazakhstan. They both got the hell out of dodge in the 70s.

:hfive:

BULBASAUR has issued a correction as of 22:36 on Feb 3, 2019

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