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byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Oldstench posted:

No one has done that ITT

good to know whose ignore list im on :twisted:

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susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016

fuctifino posted:

I just can't see any added benefits that warrant a 2.0 spec. We have MPE now, and I can do polyphonic portamento slides within 24 semitones on the plugins that I have using vanilla MIDI 1.x on the Linnstrument. I'm pretty sure it sends xxx.xxx values for the CC messages, and a USB connection makes sure there is more bandwidth than you'll ever need.

I'll be watching for updates though, as I'd like to be proven wrong.

the increased bandwidth now-a-days is precisely why an updated spec makes sense. midi was designed for a max bandwidth of 3125 bytes a second. it would be good to define a protocol that can take advantage of even a modestly increased size in bandwidth. it'll be interesting to see what they do with it and assuming they pull it off i look forward to widespread adoption within the next 30 years :v:

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

skull mask mcgee posted:

the increased bandwidth now-a-days is precisely why an updated spec makes sense. midi was designed for a max bandwidth of 3125 bytes a second. it would be good to define a protocol that can take advantage of even a modestly increased size in bandwidth
While that's true for old school midi din ports, that's not true for USB. There's no real bandwidth restrictions when you connect with USB, and many hardware devices have USB midi plug and play built in these days. I use one old school midi cable in my setup, and that's to connect my 21 year old Behringer FCB1010 pedalboard to my looper. Everything else is USB midi, or internal midi routed through my DAW

quote:

i look forward to widespread adoption within the next 30 years :v:

I genuinely lolled. :v:

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

byob historian posted:

good to know whose ignore list im on :twisted:

Didn't see any guff from you upthread

susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016

fuctifino posted:

While that's true for old school midi din ports, that's not true for USB. There's no real bandwidth restrictions when you connect with USB, and many hardware devices have USB midi plug and play built in these days. I use one old school midi cable in my setup, and that's to connect my 21 year old Behringer FCB1010 pedalboard to my looper. Everything else is USB midi, or internal midi routed through my DAW


i'm not talking about the bandwidth itself, i'm talking about the bandwidth the protocol was designed around. with a refreshed design the protocol would maybe no longer be full of goofy hacks working around those restrictions, like having to use 2 CCs for a 14-bit message.

MPE is basically pushing the protocol to it's limit, i'm really impressed by its ingenuity

anyways, i'm done speculating because there are more details than i thought in this blog post: https://www.midi.org/articles-old/midi-manufacturers-association-mma-adopts-midi-capability-inquiry-midi-ci-specification

32-bit CC messages :supaburn:





Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
Frankly the fact that MIDI has held on so long as a standard across an entire industry despite it’s limitations speaks to how well Ikutaro Kakehashi and Dave Smith did in designing it and making it robust with enough flexibility that things like MPE were able to be built off of it decades later.

If there’s a synthesizer hall of fame, they deserve to get inducted alongside Bob Moog as the three greatest synth designers of all time.

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

HotCanadianChick posted:

If there’s a synthesizer hall of fame, they deserve to get inducted alongside Bob Moog as the three greatest synth designers of all time.

[SOUND OF BUCHLA BONGOS PLAYING A WAR MARCH IN THE DISTANCE]

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Oldstench posted:

[SOUND OF BUCHLA BONGOS PLAYING A WAR MARCH IN THE DISTANCE]

Buchla stans always amuse me since they insist his synths were the game-changing bomb, yet nobody can name any songs that anyone will recognize that notably used Buchla synths. And touch plate controllers are acceptable for $150 Volcas, not for $5000 boutique synths. Anything that did use them is more obscure these days than Switched on Bach or Oxygene.

Nobody is rushing out to blow the price of a good used car on something nobody but hardcore synth nerds has ever even heard of, let alone heard on an album they own.

Speaking of synths that people actually want to buy, preorders are up:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BS101--behringer-ms-101-rd-analog-synthesizer-with-handle

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

buchla was patient zero for "ten minutes of robot farts and bloops is music, actually" soundcloud syndrome

Clavavisage
Nov 12, 2011
this might be a weird concept but people and studios will never stop blowing "good used car" money on proprietary pieces of gear because they might need the ability to produce things other than lo fi goon jams

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

HotCanadianChick posted:

Buchla stans always amuse me since they insist his synths were the game-changing bomb, yet nobody can name any songs that anyone will recognize that notably used Buchla synths. And touch plate controllers are acceptable for $150 Volcas, not for $5000 boutique synths. Anything that did use them is more obscure these days than Switched on Bach or Oxygene.

Nobody is rushing out to blow the price of a good used car on something nobody but hardcore synth nerds has ever even heard of, let alone heard on an album they own.

Speaking of synths that people actually want to buy, preorders are up:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BS101--behringer-ms-101-rd-analog-synthesizer-with-handle

There's a lot to unpack in this post.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Forums Terrorist posted:

buchla was patient zero for "ten minutes of robot farts and bloops is music, actually" soundcloud syndrome

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Clavavisage posted:

this might be a weird concept but people and studios will never stop blowing "good used car" money on proprietary pieces of gear because they might need the ability to produce things other than lo fi goon jams

Ironic that you say that, since 90% of the use Buchla easels ever got were basically lo-fi bedroom producer tributes to navel gazing.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

finally, someone is desperate to start poo poo in the synth thread.

ricecult
Oct 2, 2012




To each their own, but Suzanne Ciani is badass and nobody is ever going to change my mind :colbert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Xu1GXy6tE

Sweet_Joke_Nectar
Jun 7, 2007

i'm a little shai :3

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

finally, someone is desperate to buy poo poo in the synth thread.

flubber nuts
Oct 5, 2005


Oldstench posted:

[SOUND OF BUCHLA BONGOS PLAYING A WAR MARCH IN THE DISTANCE]

lol. The model 252e sequencer will forever be on my gear wish list, only 3000 bux. Maybe I could save that money if I just learned how to actually play a keyboard.

ricecult posted:

To each their own, but Suzanne Ciani is badass and nobody is ever going to change my mind :colbert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Xu1GXy6tE

This is awesome, thank you. Suzanne Ciani along with Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith really got me interested in buchla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhtar8FlgzU

I've got to get some of those stackable patch cables.

HandlingByJebus
Jun 21, 2009

All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world, so there was only one thing I could do:
was ding a ding dang, my dang a long racecar.

It's a love affair. Mainly jebus, and my racecar.

BIG TIT LIL NIP posted:

lol. The model 252e sequencer will forever be on my gear wish list, only 3000 bux. Maybe I could save that money if I just learned how to actually play a keyboard.


This is awesome, thank you. Suzanne Ciani along with Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith really got me interested in buchla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhtar8FlgzU

I've got to get some of those stackable patch cables.

KAS is loving amazing. +1 to being Buchla-curious as a result of her stuff.

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J89IY3Ss2Mk

headlight
Nov 4, 2003

I guess when I think of closed door MIDI 2.0 discussions I imagine dark forces trying to create something they can monetise with evil somehow, MIDI with DRM for example.

The ability to lock out devices which are not the same brand for “compatibility purposes”. Etc.

So Math
Jan 8, 2013

Ghostly Clothier
I think we're doing okay until they announce MIDIcoin.

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

finally, someone is desperate to start poo poo in the synth thread.

inferis
Dec 30, 2003

synthesizers are expensive and of limited use is a pretty weird take for this thread

augias
Apr 7, 2009

helo





edit: some context

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtY6TfsnaNs

augias fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Feb 3, 2019

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen

Huh, Trent Reznor finally ran out of DX7s.

Quincy Smallvoice
Mar 18, 2006

Bitches leave

thats hosed up

Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018


used, lightly jammed on

MMD3
May 16, 2006

Montmartre -> Portland
Not sure how people feel about this guy (assuming he has been brought up in here before) but he is quickly becoming my favorite synth mad scientist and I find his videos highly entertaining. This rig walkthrough vid was strangely informational

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJROZv3y270

MMD3 fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Feb 3, 2019

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

MMD3 posted:

Not sure how people feel about this guy (assuming he has been brought up in here before) but he is quickly becoming my favorite synth mad scientist and I find his videos highly entertaining. This rig walkthrough vid was strangely informational

https://youtu.be/lJROZv3y270

He's the perfect blend of knowledgeable, talented and crazy. I first saw his videos of the furby organ, the 100 oscillators project and the satanic bible mod and it was clear the guy is extremely good at what he does. Aaaand it's fun to watch which is the cherry on the cake.

osker
Dec 18, 2002

Wedge Regret

MMD3 posted:

Not sure how people feel about this guy (assuming he has been brought up in here before) but he is quickly becoming my favorite synth mad scientist and I find his videos highly entertaining. This rig walkthrough vid was strangely informational

https://youtu.be/lJROZv3y270

This guy has so much going on that I can't believe he even exists.

Quincy Smallvoice
Mar 18, 2006

Bitches leave

MMD3 posted:

Not sure how people feel about this guy (assuming he has been brought up in here before) but he is quickly becoming my favorite synth mad scientist and I find his videos highly entertaining. This rig walkthrough vid was strangely informational

https://youtu.be/lJROZv3y270

yo this guy kinda owns

MMD3
May 16, 2006

Montmartre -> Portland
this poo poo too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz3lY4qgmlo

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

whatever it means to be someone who is totally in to "look mum no computer" i am definitely that, and definitely not what people who don't like "look mum no computer" - if existing - are

finally a man who understands that true instruments are dangerous weapons whose outcomes are occasionally musical

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

MMD3 posted:

Not sure how people feel about this guy (assuming he has been brought up in here before) but he is quickly becoming my favorite synth mad scientist and I find his videos highly entertaining. This rig walkthrough vid was strangely informational

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJROZv3y270

Holy poo poo yes

BeigeJacket
Jul 21, 2005

MMD3 posted:

Not sure how people feel about this guy (assuming he has been brought up in here before) but he is quickly becoming my favorite synth mad scientist and I find his videos highly entertaining. This rig walkthrough vid was strangely informational

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJROZv3y270

He’s a clever guy, and props to him for doing some different than ‘ambient jam, generic pad through maxed out reverb’

But I can’t handle his shouting.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost
These had me laughing like an idiot (on top on being baffled by his mad skills):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYLBjScgb7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyc-OTa9xpY

Quincy Smallvoice
Mar 18, 2006

Bitches leave

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

These had me laughing like an idiot (on top on being baffled by his mad skills):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYLBjScgb7o



lets flick the collective awakening switch

ohhhh man

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

"Look Mom No Computer"'s Sam is incredible, and I've binged watched his videos a few times now.

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Forums Terrorist posted:

buchla was patient zero for "ten minutes of robot farts and bloops is music, actually" soundcloud syndrome

true, because before him it took a weeks work with a splicing block to get your robot to fart in tune

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ricecult
Oct 2, 2012




byob historian posted:

true, because before him it took a weeks work with a splicing block to get your robot to fart in tune

On that topic, two documentaries I really love about early synths/electronic music, What the Future Sounded Like and The Delian Mode . Despite the fact that a lot of bleepy-bloopy-farty-wanky electronic music that gets made by gearheads can be lazy and not thought out, the original intent was very thought out, and there are still people who approach it seriously and make some incredible work.

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