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actually everybody should mostly take the exact courses i did in undergrad, ok? you can take out the cs for real science if you want, and if you want to take fewer philosophy classes that's ok too but you have to mostly take the electives i did
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Achmed Jones posted:actually everybody should mostly take the exact courses i did in undergrad, ok? gently caress you i dont like comic books i wanna do electives about china and robots goddamn it
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sillicon valley: "ethics" and "morals" are naive concepts invented by the poor and the weak to attempt to constrain their betters from remaking the world as they see fit
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Microsoft bought both busecause lots of business/corporations use them a d that's their core market. Imagine the "business intelligence" they can glean by mining every recruiters private chat to watch for trends and creating the backend to meet that demand.
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"does a rigorous education in philosophy protect you from literal actual Naziism?" answer: no http://schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com/2010/12/nazi-philosophers.html
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case in point: nazisim can be described as a philosophy
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bob dobbs is dead posted:is there evidence of this? "more ethical" is a pretty bad metric; xphil stuf isn't what i'm talking about either. what bsd said re: cohesion is pretty much right for that sort of stuff. i'm more talking about political action and belief, particularly with respect to susceptibility to conspiracy poo poo, failure to understand that there really are facts about the world - stuff like that pretty much any professor of anything is enough of a turbonerd to have the exposure to the liberal arts that i'm talking about (i'm sure there's some physicist somewhere or smth but you know what i mean, and also there's def. some lit theory person who went off the deep end and really is a relativist about everything but you follow). literature and history are more useful than philosophy proper for this sort of stuff in my experience. like there's no guarantee that somebody that's been forced to do the analysis thing will continue to do it, but i meet people that are incapable of that, or at least have never done it despite having college degrees. it should be impossible to get a degree without proving that you are in fact capable of doing the very basic "understand a conceptual schema that seeks to represent the world and talk about its implications" thing also nobody should be able to get a degree without passing a calculus class ok im done being grumpy old man now
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lol well of course not i mean heidegger
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Achmed Jones posted:lol well of course not i mean heidegger but also like 50 other dudes w/ habilitation, apparently
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i mean none of the poo poo i'm saying could possibly prevent nazism bc im recommending basically what a college education was before it was commodified as heavily as it is now. like of course being lovely is possible, or what i'm saying would've never produced lovely people and it clearly did if your criteria for an education framework is "is impossible to complete and remain a terrible human" then youre gonna have a real bad time bob dobbs is dead posted:but also like 50 other dudes w/ habilitation, apparently well yeah no poo poo, way more than 50 im sure. there were a lot of nazis.
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Microsoft bought both busecause lots of business/corporations use them a d that's their core market. ok, i'm imagining it. doesn't mean poo poo
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dc3k posted:I’ve been following housing and rent prices since I left. I don’t think I can afford Toronto anymore. My $1500 condo would be renting for like $2000+ now. wtf?
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ethics classes may not prevent lovely people but i have a hard time believing that they're going to make more lovely people and that's good enough for me
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Achmed Jones posted:an ethics class - especially if it's a mediocre applied ethics class - isn't going to change someone's behavior. a liberal arts education that teaches students how arguments work, how narrative works, and how to both construct and deconstruct those things absolutely will (but not every time, obv no amount of anything save a guillotine could make peter thiel not a ghoul) this is wrong evidence: liberal arts educated students for the past 2000 or so years such a concept has existed
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Chris Knight posted:welcome to the mike harris/doug ford no rent control hellscape. yeah gently caress that, as much as i miss toronto im not doing the "high rent no chance of ever buying" thing anymore. gonna go back to saskatoon i think...1700+ sqft downtown condo for ~$375k is sounding pretty nice right now. ill still be a tech shithead but at least it's not bay area style.
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My Linux Rig posted:I’ve been saying that for years. engineers and computer scientists get off way to loving easy on the humanities courses and it shows; Can confirm, I minimized my exposure to the humanities by taking "philosophy" courses about Logic
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theres way too many automation / smart x commercials this super bowl
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dragon enthusiast posted:theres way too many automation / smart x commercials this super bowl just start ups burning money late in the boom bust cycle
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no poo poo fishmech I even said that. god you’re tedious
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smart people invariably have incredible capacity for cognitive dissonance because they've been trained in constructing arguments and narratives and taught that minutiae and nuance are important, so when confronted with something that is inconsistent they don't have to acknowledge that it actually is. They also care about consistency as a result as well because displaying the work behind a "well actually" argument is a way of showing off your complicated self-justifications. None of these things matter to most people, or mean anything.
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dc3k posted:gonna go back to saskatoon i think... dude, i will smother you with a pillow for free if cost is an issue
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What up other Toronto bay area goon who's getting the gently caress out cause fuuuuuuck paying $1.5 million ($6,870 a month for 30 years with 100k down) for a piece of poo poo shack ithat is not worth my time. This area is so hosed.
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:What up other Toronto bay area goon who's getting the gently caress out cause fuuuuuuck paying $1.5 million ($6,870 a month for 30 years with 100k down) for a piece of poo poo shack ithat is not worth my time. This area is so hosed. I have bad news about Toronto in your absence.
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dc3k posted:yeah gently caress that, as much as i miss toronto im not doing the "high rent no chance of ever buying" thing anymore. gonna go back to saskatoon i think...1700+ sqft downtown condo for ~$375k is sounding pretty nice right now. I'm pretty over being in a Fun Big City!!! and just want to live in a pleasant city with a vegetable garden in my back yard and no walls shared with other human beings
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Dijkstracula posted:I'm contemplating going back to Edmonton 
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James Baud posted:I have bad news about Toronto in your absence. Nah, gently caress Toronto. Went back recently and after feeling like I was in a boring version of a big city I remembered why I left. Parts of Toronto feel like my grandmas basement while others like a poor man's Singapore without the transit infrastructure. I got citizenship so I dont have to move back to Canada until global warming causes civil war to erupt in the US. So like, 5-10 years. Basically I won the work lottery so we're out (wfh with international org, keep salary if i move).
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FMguru posted:reminder
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Dijkstracula posted:I grew up on the other side of Argyle so the Goose Looney's dunk slays me every time goose loonie's is famous in america for being the place where the red wings got drunk after a playoffs game and threw the cup to the oilers
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Dijkstracula posted:yeah this is one of the big reasons why I'm contemplating going back to Edmonton (more expensive than what you listed for Saskatoon but not by a significant margin) i ditched vancouver for halifax for pretty much the same reasons. way happier. lmao wow.
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lol can’t wake up https://twitter.com/hellobalint/status/1092374017292554240
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NoneMoreNegative posted:lol can’t wake up I want to watch him and Zoll fight
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zoll is currently on broadway iirc
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if I ever have to go on stage to present for my company I'll dig out my old raver clothes from storage and come on stage to that horn track by egyptian empire
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Achmed Jones posted:an ethics class - especially if it's a mediocre applied ethics class - isn't going to change someone's behavior. a liberal arts education that teaches students how arguments work, how narrative works, and how to both construct and deconstruct those things absolutely will (but not every time, obv no amount of anything save a guillotine could make peter thiel not a ghoul) I had a dedicated ethics in engineering class as part of my EE undergrad at University of Maryland. It had a big segment on intellectual property and some neat thought exercises re: outsourcing and bribing, and we covered all the standard case studies, but not a whole lot stuck with me besides "don't say you can do things you can't do, and for the love of god make sure your calcs are correct." Probably the most important class I took in terms of highlighting my bad opinions and taking me out of the beep-boop mentality was, in fact, an LGBT class that focused on intersectionality. Working in tech allows you to insulate yourself from the real world if only you do your tinkering for the moneyed, and it's important to shake off the whole just-world thing with exposure to the segments of society that don't really serve those interests. People in a design decision-making role need to be exposed to real, living people and their circumstances, and not just the handpicked canonical cases that affected enough rich people to be of purported societal concern.
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El Mero Mero posted:smart people invariably have incredible capacity for cognitive dissonance because they've been trained in constructing arguments and narratives and taught that minutiae and nuance are important, so when confronted with something that is inconsistent they don't have to acknowledge that it actually is. They also care about consistency as a result as well because displaying the work behind a "well actually" argument is a way of showing off your complicated self-justifications. this post gets it exactly right. i took plenty of philosophy classes in college, including ethics. as an adult, i already knew right from wrong, and the contrived dilemmas presented in philosophy classes are thought experiments that have almost no bearing on everyday life. an ethics class teaches you how to rationalize your behavior to people who care about that kind of lip service. it doesn't make you a better person
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