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Maxwell Adams
Oct 21, 2000

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I love that Shield Hero lowered the bar so hard that Goblin Slayer is totally fine by comparison.

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Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum

Captain Invictus posted:

that's way more words than goblin slayer deserves

it was mostly big pictures

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I think someone recommended It's My Life in this thread, so I started in on it at a slow day at work and got through about four volumes (just got through gor-gor's backstory :qq: ). I won't say it doesn't have some issues with some creepy stuff/lovely gags for "comedy", but so long as astra treats Noah as a daughter and nothing more, it's not really on the level of trash like GS/SH. But the slice of life stuff with astra and Noah is wonderful and often hilarious, gor-gor's a good boy, and the overarching daily life stuff with the expanding cast is good fun. The more serious story stuff is...okay, though the gor-gor backstory was pretty surprisingly good (I especially liked the detail of since he lost his mother while a baby, he never learned the dragon's language and so was abandoned by them when he encountered them later) It also seems to be complete at 11 volumes, hopefully it doesn't nosedive down any bad directions like some other series in the home stretch.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Maxwell Adams posted:

I love that Shield Hero lowered the bar so hard that Goblin Slayer is totally fine by comparison.

Shield Hero is the "saying the quiet part loud" version of goblin slayer

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Captain Invictus posted:

I think someone recommended It's My Life in this thread, so I started in on it at a slow day at work and got through about four volumes (just got through gor-gor's backstory :qq: ). I won't say it doesn't have some issues with some creepy stuff/lovely gags for "comedy", but so long as astra treats Noah as a daughter and nothing more, it's not really on the level of trash like GS/SH. But the slice of life stuff with astra and Noah is wonderful and often hilarious, gor-gor's a good boy, and the overarching daily life stuff with the expanding cast is good fun. The more serious story stuff is...okay, though the gor-gor backstory was pretty surprisingly good (I especially liked the detail of since he lost his mother while a baby, he never learned the dragon's language and so was abandoned by them when he encountered them later) It also seems to be complete at 11 volumes, hopefully it doesn't nosedive down any bad directions like some other series in the home stretch.

So long as it doesn't go into a creepy romance plot, which I was afraid of while reading it (As the artist appears to be in that scene) It'll be fine. Basically if he can contain his own horny, It'll be a good story.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Man, don't tell me the artist is a creeper. I read the comments for Sen to Man to see why it abruptly ended and turns out the author of that is a pedophile. Christ. I know some mangaka do porn, fine, whatever, but there's some steps too far.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Captain Invictus posted:

Man, don't tell me the artist is a creeper. I read the comments for Sen to Man to see why it abruptly ended and turns out the author of that is a pedophile. Christ. I know some mangaka do porn, fine, whatever, but there's some steps too far.

All I know is he gets commissioned to do a lot of Gacha Lolita's. So he's definitely in that realmspace. And all I can say is, half to make myself laugh and half as a real thing, Carl Barks, the guy who did the Ducks for Disney, basically by the end of his career was jerking it to Disney Ducks, because he'd drawn them so much that...

Long story short eventually if you draw it enough you'll wind up jerking it to it.

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Onmi posted:

All I know is he gets commissioned to do a lot of Gacha Lolita's. So he's definitely in that realmspace. And all I can say is, half to make myself laugh and half as a real thing, Carl Barks, the guy who did the Ducks for Disney, basically by the end of his career was jerking it to Disney Ducks, because he'd drawn them so much that...

Long story short eventually if you draw it enough you'll wind up jerking it to it.

That was more G. Slayer than I needed to see. The stuff he told me about was apparently from the LN's so I don't know too much there. I DO know that they do ecchi art of the characters which is in just God Awful taste given the nature of the series. Also I think they're both very loud and clear about their message.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
Worst thing about Goblin Slayer is that I love the premise of "Guy who specializes in low level beginner monsters no-one else wants to bother with." But instead we got, well, Goblin Slayer.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/1092234194174889984?s=19

:cheerdoge:

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

galagazombie posted:

Worst thing about Goblin Slayer is that I love the premise of "Guy who specializes in low level beginner monsters no-one else wants to bother with." But instead we got, well, Goblin Slayer.

To be fair it does actually do that. They just decided those low level monsters are also pathological rapists. I think if they toned the rape/torture way down or all the way and maybe game them other non-rapey traits it would have been good.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

ViggyNash posted:

To be fair it does actually do that. They just decided those low level monsters are also pathological rapists. I think if they toned the rape/torture way down or all the way and maybe game them other non-rapey traits it would have been good.

I don't need them to not be irredeemably evil, but yeah, could do without the rape.

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


make it rat slayer

it’s about a hero that goes from basement to basement killing rats

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Captain Cappy
Aug 7, 2008

You know, all Crunchyroll did was make it less moral to just torrent all the anime I watch, and now this tweet?

gently caress Crunchyroll.

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC


Strongly considering canceling my sub.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012
Fortunately VRV isn't owned by Ellation, Crunchy's parent, anymore but if even indirect funding won't cut it then you'r poo poo out of luck for future Crunchy content.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Helter Skelter posted:

Strongly considering canceling my sub.
Already did. gently caress Incel Hero and gently caress crunchyroll for pushing it to the lowest, trashiest denominator when they could have propped up hundreds of other, better series.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Captain Cappy posted:

You know, all Crunchyroll did was make it less moral to just torrent all the anime I watch, and now this tweet?

gently caress Crunchyroll.

bad news about morally torrenting crunchy shows

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

DisDisDis posted:

bad news about morally torrenting crunchy shows


that honestly seems like a pretty low amount of people watching it if there's under 3000 total people on the most recent episode torrenting it. which, hey, I'd love nothing more than for it to crash and burn

edit: wait, is the checkmark on the far right total downloads? bummer

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Most normies are going to be watching it on like kissanime and stuff rather than downloading it themselves as well.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Raiad posted:

make it rat slayer

it’s about a hero that goes from basement to basement killing rats

Exterminator's Daily Life exists as a web novel, but I got bored with it. No rape as far as I know.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

Raiad posted:

make it rat slayer

it’s about a hero that goes from basement to basement killing rats

I mean yea, Like how in the Elder Scrolls the first Fighters Guild mission is always killing rats. Give me a show about that unlucky chump who has to clean out the village bakery for pennies because the rest of the heroes are making bank killing dragons.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
has any isekai/vrmmo manga made the joke about killing a rat outside the first town in diablo et al and an eight foot battleaxe dropping from them yet

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018
I find it repugnant and INFURIATING that shows as repugnant and mediocre as Shield Hero and Goblin Slayer will likely be the biggest anime in the US for the next few years and how lots of people of relevance on YoutTube prop those shows up as if they were some kind of revelatory and transcendent shows that either bring the genre back(Dark and Low Fantasy) and are "deep", "complex", and "emotional". Like I have friends who enjoy these shows, but they're under no illusions that they're trashy as hell and don't hold them in any better of a light than say, Michael Bay films or things of that nature. Yeah it's trashy and offensive, but it has lots of spectacle and that's what you're looking for here.

doomrider7 fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Feb 4, 2019

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Captain Invictus posted:

that honestly seems like a pretty low amount of people watching it if there's under 3000 total people on the most recent episode torrenting it. which, hey, I'd love nothing more than for it to crash and burn

edit: wait, is the checkmark on the far right total downloads? bummer

I'm knocking on wood as I type this, but I take solace in the fact that it's still, trailing by a decent margin both on Nyaa and on Mangadex across all four categories downloads on the former and views, rating, and follows(at just 20 short of 34k, Slime if the most followed manga on the site) on the latter.

Mulderman
Mar 20, 2009

Did someone say axe magnet?
I do find it hilarious that due to Shield Hero, SA is now capable of holding a civilized discussion about Goblin Slayer.
So I guess it's been good for something.

The amount of people simply not seeing the issue with this show, especially after the last episode is worrying though.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

doomrider7 posted:

I find it repugnant and INFURIATING that shows as repugnant and mediocre as Shield Hero and Goblin Slayer will likely be the biggest anime in the US for the next few years and how lots of people of relevance on YoutTube prop those shows up as if they were some kind of revelatory and transcendent shows that either bring the genre back(Dark and Low Fantasy) and are "deep", "complex", and "emotional". Like I have friends who enjoy these shows, but they're under no illusions that they're trashy as hell and don't hold them in any better of a light than say, Michael Bay films or things of that nature. Yeah it's trashy and offensive, but it has lots of spectacle and that's what you're looking for here.

Much like a lot of anime these days it's gonna be forgotten about by all except the diehard fans literally a few months after it airs.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
Goblin Slayer is also complete poo poo still, it's just not the same level of actively hateful poo poo as Shield Hero.

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Mulderman posted:

I do find it hilarious that due to Shield Hero, SA is now capable of holding a civilized discussion about Goblin Slayer.
So I guess it's been good for something.

The amount of people simply not seeing the issue with this show, especially after the last episode is worrying though.

"Yeah he's a Slave Owner, but he's a NICE Slave Owner and he had no choice. Don't you feel so bad for him and, awww look at Rapthtalia comfort him. Anime couple of the year right there."

- Posters on Reddit/MAL/YouTube/Crunchyroll

I wish I were kidding about that quote, but yes I've seen people say one variation of that or another.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Onmi posted:

Also, Doomrider. Not technically the thread for this but, gently caress it, I have no respect for Shield Hero so I'll basically post about anything I want until a Mod tells me otherwise. I remember in the Worst anime of the year thread you were describing that your friend had told you about a scene in Goblin Slayer where all the girls dressed up like sluts to attract the Slayer which didn't work. Yeah... I decided to take a little look, and I think your friend is conflating two or three scenes that have neither of that context.

Vol.3 of the Novel: It's the Harvest Festival and Slayer's taking Cowgirl out in the morning and Guild Girl out in the evening. I don't think I'd describe either of their outfits as 'slutty'




I'd describe them as quite nice outfits.

The scene I think that they conflated it with, is a Scene from Brand New Day when Guild Girl and Cow Girl are going shopping together




And after trying on a helmet similar to the Slayers, Cow Girl suggests trying on the armour, to which Priestess nopes-out



And that's the end of it, poking fun at how revealing bikini armour is and how impractical it is, blatantly pointing out that the only reason they stock it is basically as a showpiece. Pure comedy.

The other scene is from the main volume.






Female Knight has another comedy scene with the Slayer. In the end, his advice to her is to try out civilian clothing, rather than dressing in impractical armour. The only thing cut from the Light Novel for the manga was the Slayer going "Okay, I question the sanity of anyone asking me for advice on matters like this."

Goblin Slayer has a lot of problematic stuff, but it never actually does scenes like the one you described.

lmao gently caress off this is idiotic, no poo poo titty armor is impractical

there are two general reasons for having titty armor: some men like it because it shows tits, some women like it because they like to imagine themselves as cool and sexy

what is the point of ~*~~subverting~~*~ this by subjecting people wearing it to brutal sexual violence? we already know it's impractical. all it means is that the former gets to see more titties, and the latter is gatekept out because you can't involve yourself into your silly fantasy hobby without the threat of sexual violence

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

Phobophilia posted:

lmao gently caress off this is idiotic, no poo poo titty armor is impractical

there are two general reasons for having titty armor: some men like it because it shows tits, some women like it because they like to imagine themselves as cool and sexy

what is the point of ~*~~subverting~~*~ this by subjecting people wearing it to brutal sexual violence? we already know it's impractical. all it means is that the former gets to see more titties, and the latter is gatekept out because you can't involve yourself into your silly fantasy hobby without the threat of sexual violence

Nobody wears bikini armor in GS and it's made fun of as lingerie?

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

doomrider7 posted:

"Yeah he's a Slave Owner, but he's a NICE Slave Owner and he had no choice. Don't you feel so bad for him and, awww look at Rapthtalia comfort him. Anime couple of the year right there."

- Posters on Reddit/MAL/YouTube/Crunchyroll

I wish I were kidding about that quote, but yes I've seen people say one variation of that or another.

The best part is how disingenuous it is. Because there is a moment in which the dude gets all his negative hatred and emotions sucked out of him, all the poo poo that's completely unhealthy. And his slaves force it back into him because "He's just not him if he's nice"

Not only showing how hosed up their relationship is but pushing the horrible narrative that someone being an abrasive dickhead with severe psychological issues is preferable to being well adjusted.

Pierson
Oct 31, 2004



College Slice
I don't need to change anything about my personality or world view because if girls were forced to be around me they would see how nice I am right now.

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Onmi posted:

The best part is how disingenuous it is. Because there is a moment in which the dude gets all his negative hatred and emotions sucked out of him, all the poo poo that's completely unhealthy. And his slaves force it back into him because "He's just not him if he's nice"

Not only showing how hosed up their relationship is but pushing the horrible narrative that someone being an abrasive dickhead with severe psychological issues is preferable to being well adjusted.

I remember hearing that. That's just so hosed up. I mean in a show like Konosuba where Kazuma gets his perv and sleaze tendencies taken out and everyone working to them back due to being weirded out would be hilarious, but that's a WAY different show with WAY different characters and attitude. Either way we all know that it'll get written out like, "Oh it's fake version of him like this" or "It's not real because they took out a pivotal part of his persona" or some other BS like that.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Onmi posted:

Also, Doomrider. Not technically the thread for this but, gently caress it, I have no respect for Shield Hero so I'll basically post about anything I want until a Mod tells me otherwise.

Don't defend goblin slayer, don't post the tity armour. Don't make me angry

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

The adtrw subgroup has a don't be a creep rule that I invite everyone to adhere to itt as though its one of the 10 commandments

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

:gas:

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

Namtab posted:

Don't defend goblin slayer, don't post the tity armour. Don't make me angry

he mad

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Motto
Aug 3, 2013

I, for one, am glad that my fellow posters are engaging in cordial and informative debate and discussion, grounding their analysis in textual engagement while providing helpful examples to illustrate their points. :)

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