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Xenoletum posted:Re: Someone stating that we'll always have Mel Brooks, bad news on that front: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mel-brooks-political-correctness-blazing-saddles-gene-wilder-a7964216.html
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Pilchenstein posted:Aside from anything else he's completely wrong? You could totally make Blazing Saddles today. Yeah, the jokes about race in that movie weren't "Haha, black people" but "Haha, look how ignorant and cruel the white people are about black people"
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Feb 4, 2019 20:55
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Yeah, the jokes about race in that movie weren't "Haha, black people" but "Haha, look how ignorant and cruel the white people are about black people" Yeah, if anything, those jokes have gotten more prevalent, which is nice.
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It would definitely be harder to get it made today but that's less about political correctness per se and more about Hollywood becoming more ossified and formulaic.
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Feb 4, 2019 21:24
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I'm not sure you'd get the same level of talent. There are still people who don't get what Robert Downey Jr's character was parodying in Tropic Thunder and that was the opposite of subtle. Blazing Saddles 2020 wouldn't get that limited benefit of the doubt. Part of Blazing Saddles success was the great cast and crew. Too many people would be hesitant to put their names on that movie now. Couples would go to pornos for date night in the 70's. 10 years later they had to change DIE to DIET on a movie poster because people freaked out. I can see Mel Brooke's point. Ever since the 80's we've had one hell of a stick up our butts.
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Also nobody in their right mind would try to remake blazing saddles. You can't beat perfection. (Young Frankenstein is better)
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Arcsquad12 posted:Also nobody in their right mind would try to remake blazing saddles. You can't beat perfection. (Young Frankenstein is better) Well, duh. Of course Young Frankenstein is better. If you send a nice letter to Teri Garr she will autograph your picture. 
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Krispy Wafer posted:[in the 80s] they had to change DIE to DIET on a movie poster because people freaked out. Oooh, what was this?
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ynohtna posted:Oooh, what was this? 
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MisterHutchinson posted:Also, I think some people just thought there might be an additional joke that Bedevere and the townsfolk's flawed logic resulted in them falling rear end backwards into being correct It's this. And if phasmid doesn't think magic exists in The Holy Grail then maybe we watched different films? I mean, the big give-away is right there in Tim's full name!
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Xenoletum posted:Re: Someone stating that we'll always have Mel Brooks, bad news on that front: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mel-brooks-political-correctness-blazing-saddles-gene-wilder-a7964216.html "Mel Brooks warns 'politically correct society is the death of comedy'" Oh heavens! *clutches pearls* Brooks is definitely correct, and the SA forums are perfect example. I don't think you can find a single recent page in these forums without someone virtue-signaling or poo-pooing someone's insensitivity to their pet trigger. I completely abandoned the Disney World thread in T&T about a year ago when several posters called me a racist for making fun of Brazilian high school tourists (a known and very common gripe among Disney World fans). gently caress that poo poo, I don't need it. People who used to hang around in alt.tasteless (for example) gravitated naturally to the SA forums when they showed up, and this was a really, really funny place; that's why I joined. But now there's always a fistful of people in every thread, looking around for something to be offended by...and then voice their disapproval. Almost all successful comedy requires a victim — but now you're not allowed to victimize anybody, regardless of context. I'd like to know: who here has a real, serious problem with Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder? If you do, you've completely missed the point of Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder. Or you don't care, and you just want to tell other people
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phasmid posted:Thank you. That sums it up. I guess a lot of people that think Monty Python just isn't funny also think that magic is real and that everything they say is sincere for some occult reason. Orson Scott Card seems to have missed the point of Ender's Game.
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I get that some people get their hackles up when political correctness is mentioned, but there's being kind and considerate and then there's beaurocritizing comedy, which is what Cleese and Gilliam (and Brooks, I assume) were talking about. If people consider their works hateful, I honestly think they've missed the point.Gromit posted:It's this. And if phasmid doesn't think magic exists in The Holy Grail then maybe we watched different films? I mean, the big give-away is right there in Tim's full name! Tim probably had a bunch of holy hand grenades. But to your credit, there is a cartoon monster. The girl however, is not a witch. They even admit they dressed her up so they could burn her. The reason, presumably, is that being a peasant is boring and a witch burning is their equivalent for football. Arcsquad12 posted:In Brazil, when the workers in Sam's department are sneaking snippets of a western film when their boss isn't looking, the film music is the same theme that plays during Lancelot's rampage at Swamp Castle. There's a (now defunct from the looks of it) blog where a lady did some really thoughtful reviews of movies and one of her biggest subtle points taken from the movie is that Sam is Jill. This Ruthless World posted:Consider a few vignettes that form a pattern. Sam dreams of being an angel and making love to a beautiful woman. He later meets a woman in real life who looks exactly like the woman in his recurring fantasy — which already suggests that she is a creature of his imagination. The second time Sam encounters Jill, in Mrs. Buttle’s apartment, he sees Jill’s reflection in a fragment of a shattered mirror, which is positioned at such an angle that Sam appears to be looking directly at it, but instead of seeing his own reflection, he sees Jill’s face. When he grabs the mirror, Jill disappears and he sees his own reflection. https://thisruthlessworld.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/what-does-this-movie-mean-terry-gilliams-brazil-1985/ Cat Hatter posted:Orson Scott Card seems to have missed the point of Ender's Game. I never read Ender's Game and I was never inclined to, having read the guy's other stuff. Now there is a man who makes his politics very apparent, in and out of his work.
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Lincoln posted:Brooks is definitely correct, and the SA forums are perfect example. I don't think you can find a single recent page in these forums without someone virtue-signaling or poo-pooing someone's insensitivity to their pet trigger. I completely abandoned the Disney World thread in T&T about a year ago when several posters called me a racist for making fun of Brazilian high school tourists (a known and very common gripe among Disney World fans). gently caress that poo poo, I don't need it. People who use the term "virtue signalling" commonly don't seem to the understand the concept of empathy and why people would be even remotely concerned for other people. I'd avoid using it unless you actually have a "gently caress you, got mine" mindset.
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phasmid posted:I get that some people get their hackles up when political correctness is mentioned, but there's being kind and considerate and then there's beaurocritizing comedy, which is what Cleese and Gilliam (and Brooks, I assume) were talking about. Bureaucratizing comedy is a great term, and it's a real process, but again--it's not really about any particular agenda except $$$. Safe, inoffensive stuff is easy to sell.
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Mierenneuker posted:People who use the term "virtue signalling" commonly don't seem to the understand the concept of empathy and why people would be even remotely concerned for other people. I'd avoid using it unless you actually have a "gently caress you, got mine" mindset. Ironically, the term "virtue signalling" is only ever used as a means of virtue signalling. It's not a substantive argument against anything, it's just a way for someone to flag their comment as being cool and edgy, not like those virtue signalling SJWs!
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Straight White Shark posted:Bureaucratizing comedy is a great term, and it's a real process, but again--it's not really about any particular agenda except $$$. Safe, inoffensive stuff is easy to sell. Absolutely. And safe is bad for comedy.
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Nice safe comedy is the best. That’s why full house and home improvement are some of the funniest shows ever made.
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Mierenneuker posted:People who use the term "virtue signalling" commonly don't seem to the understand the concept of empathy and why people would be even remotely concerned for other people. I'd avoid using it unless you actually have a "gently caress you, got mine" mindset. Lincoln's got a point though. Just one example is the Trump thread in D&D. In the absence of any real opponent they'll eat themselves to find something or someone to be offended by. It's a small minority of posters, but it's a very loud minority who pretty much set the tone. I'm not sure how other threads are. I've learned to avoid a big chunk of SA. oldpainless posted:Nice safe comedy is the best. That’s why full house and home improvement are some of the funniest shows ever made. More like oldmelbrooksless.
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Mierenneuker posted:People who use the term "virtue signalling" commonly don't seem to the understand the concept of empathy and why people would be even remotely concerned for other people. I'd avoid using it unless you actually have a "gently caress you, got mine" mindset. Oh, no, it's got nothing do with my own thoughts or actions. I'm a very empathic and gentle person, and I'm about as far from racist as a person can get -- come to my next family reunion, look around, then tell me I have a gently caress you, got mine/bigoted attitude. I'm only lamenting the fact that nobody can tell a joke anymore without somebody getting upset -- then vocalizing their displeasure -- then pressing that against someone so they don't tell jokes anymore. "You don't understand the concept of empathy" is pretty much the dictionary definition of someone like that. The term "virtue-signaling" is very proper and accurate which, which is why people who virtue-signal don't want the term "virtue-signaling" used any more. You can't argue against an idea by claiming the idea can't be spoken of. I have not looked at your post history, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess I'm not the first poster you've told not to use certain words. From the article about Brooks: "I personally would never touch gas chambers or the death of children or Jews at the hands of the Nazis. Everything else is ok.” I would guess you disagree with this, and if I'm right, you don't understand the purpose or manufacture of humor.
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Lincoln posted:Oh, no, it's got nothing do with my own thoughts or actions. I'm a very empathic and gentle person, and I'm about as far from racist as a person can get -- come to my next family reunion, look around, then tell me I have a gently caress you, got mine/bigoted attitude. I'm only lamenting the fact that nobody can tell a joke anymore without somebody getting upset -- then vocalizing their displeasure -- then pressing that against someone so they don't tell jokes anymore. lol
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Not sure if attempting to argue against hypersensitivity in PYF where some posters recently referred to camping as "poverty tourism" is going to get you anywhere.
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Spaceballs is a bad movie.
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Aphrodite posted:Spaceballs is a bad movie. Spaceballs is the only Mel Brooks movie my wife and I agree on as great. We're pretty split on the rest of his filmography.
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Lincoln posted:"Mel Brooks warns 'politically correct society is the death of comedy'" Lmao shut the gently caress up you dumbass
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Lincoln posted:Oh, no, it's got nothing do with my own thoughts or actions. I'm a very empathic and gentle person, and I'm about as far from racist as a person can get -- come to my next family reunion, look around, then tell me I have a gently caress you, got mine/bigoted attitude. I just want to point out it's possible to have different race family members and still be racist. Hell, you can marry someone of a different race and still be a bigoted POS
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help, people are asking me to consider empathy for people that fall outside of my extremely narrow world view thats whats wrong with the world today: social justice warriors, a term that reflects more on them than on me, clearly
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Aphrodite posted:Spaceballs is a bad movie. It's straight down the middle for his filmography. Not as terrible as Life Stinks, but far from his best work. Even so, you can't say that the Alien scene isn't great.
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I think some people are missing the fact that a large percentage of the people criticising Python/Gilliam/Brooks (myself included) are were and are fans of theirs. You can be critical of the things you love and grew up with. That’s how you preserve the good and let the bad parts die off.
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No you dont understand, he has a black
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When a nazi gets punched in their face, everyone laughs. Then there are some people though who need to tell you how much more they like it than you though. They watch it every day, their 2 year old watches it, they had it made into a vaccine and injected into my baby, etc.
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Lincoln posted:"Mel Brooks warns 'politically correct society is the death of comedy'" Why would you assume this thread will be more tolerant of your admitted racism? If your loud convictions brought you such grief, maybe instead of lashing out and running away, you should examine those convictions?
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Olaf The Stout posted:Why would you assume this thread will be more tolerant of your admitted racism? If your loud convictions brought you such grief, maybe instead of lashing out and running away, you should examine those convictions? What are your opinions of Robert Downy Jr in Tropic Thunder
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Decrepus posted:their 2 year old watches it, they had it made into a vaccine and injected into my baby, etc. Oh my god, I wish.
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I’m not racist I just want to be able to mock Brazilian people because of things I find funny about them
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At least Graham Linehan will always be good and pure
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Lincoln posted:"Mel Brooks warns 'politically correct society is the death of comedy'" Source your quotes
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hey lincoln you might be new around here, welcome to SA! but we already have a poster who does that schtick named Lottery of Babylon and we kinda prefer to keep the gimmick contained to the person who does it best
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Decrepus posted:What are your opinions of Robert Downy Jr in Tropic Thunder The whole point of his character was that he was an out-of-touch actor who was so full of himself that he didn't realize how offensive it was. He also nailed it. The movie shows the motivations behind it and how absurd it is so it's no surprise that nobody got offended. Not exactly sure what you're fishing for here. Olaf The Stout has a new favorite as of 10:31 on Feb 5, 2019 |
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Escobarbarian posted:I’m not racist I just want to be able to mock Brazilian people because of things I find funny about them Hey wait a minute...
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