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Wild EEPROM
Jul 29, 2011


oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.
Where do you even live to have to pay $25 to dev and scan so I can go there to start a lab because gently caress

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Blackhawk
Nov 15, 2004

New Zealand, about as far away from anywhere as you can get in some respects. Also those prices are in NZD but wages are lower over here so I think it's comparable. Small population means film is very niech and places have to charge a lot more due to the low volumes.

rohan
Mar 19, 2008

Look, if you had one shot
or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted
in one moment
Would you capture it...
or just let it slip?


:siren:"THEIR":siren:




Why not just buy Portra from B&H and scan them yourself?

I get that film is expensive (fellow antipodean) but shooting cine film to save money feels like a false economy.

I think if I shot any more colour I’d seriously consider sending it to Citizens Photo in Portland; as it is I mostly shoot, dev and scan my own B&W, which is the way to go if you really want to save money.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

Blackhawk posted:

New Zealand, about as far away from anywhere as you can get in some respects. Also those prices are in NZD but wages are lower over here so I think it's comparable. Small population means film is very niech and places have to charge a lot more due to the low volumes.

But you're buying the C41 chemistry anyhow to develop it yourself. Why do you have to pay $25 to get Portra developed and scanned when you already have the means to do it at home? Why is cine film cheaper to develop than regular colour negative film when you are using the same chemicals for both?

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!



I'm about to take the plunge. Might as well go whole hog and pick up some C-41 chemicals while I'm at it. I've been watching videos all evening about how to load film onto a reel.

Wild EEPROM
Jul 29, 2011


oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.
if you live in a civilized country with film labs dont bother fuckin with c41 just take it to the lab and spend morer time shooting and editing

that goes for all of you timewasters

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Safety Dance posted:



I'm about to take the plunge. Might as well go whole hog and pick up some C-41 chemicals while I'm at it. I've been watching videos all evening about how to load film onto a reel.

I’ve got one of those. I really like shooting with it.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
Just got back from vacation with around 6 rolls of film to develop, 3 black and white and 3 C41, some 120 and some 35mm. Rather than spending ~75 dollars on getting them all developed, I'm thinking of just spending that money on developing poo poo and doing it myself. Anyone have a recommendation for what chemicals I need to buy? I shoot MAYBE 2 rolls a month, so ideally it'd be something that lasts a long time. Also, what's a recommended Patterson tank size?

Also, what's the risk factor for loving up the development on my first try? I'd rather not lose a ton of vacation photos due to being inexperienced developing. I guess I could blow through a test roll first.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
I’ve read that HC-110 developer will keep indefinitely if you mix it directly out of the bottle (don’t mix a large working stock).

I doubt my technique is all that great, but I have yet to outright botch any of my developments, c41 or B&W. Just follow the directions and mind your temps.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Wild EEPROM posted:

if you live in a civilized country with film labs dont bother fuckin with c41 just take it to the lab and spend morer time shooting and editing

that goes for all of you timewasters

Can you point me to a good lab in Manhattan?

Also time wasting is kinda the point!

MrBlandAverage
Jul 2, 2003

GNNAAAARRRR

Safety Dance posted:

Can you point me to a good lab in Manhattan?

Also time wasting is kinda the point!

I've heard good things about The Color House and Pro Image.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

President Beep posted:

I’ve got one of those. I really like shooting with it.

Same. It’s a joy to use.

The Modern Sky
Aug 7, 2009


We don't exist in real life, but we're working hard in your delusions!
So i build one of those Arduino Laser Shutter Speed meter yesterday, and learned all my cameras have to get adjusted so yay.

i spend only $30 in parts and I have enough to make 5 laser/sensor pairs.

MrBlandAverage
Jul 2, 2003

GNNAAAARRRR

The Modern Sky posted:

So i build one of those Arduino Laser Shutter Speed meter yesterday, and learned all my cameras have to get adjusted so yay.

i spend only $30 in parts and I have enough to make 5 laser/sensor pairs.

...are they all off by about the same amount?

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.
Toilet Rascal
I'm getting back into film photography after being in digital for the last decade or so. In the past, I had taken my film to Costco and just had them scan it... but that's not a viable option anymore. What I'd like to do is:

1) Send my negs to the most inexpensive lab that I can (that will do push/pull processing upon request)
2) Scan the negs myself

To scan the negs, I'd like to use my DSLR (5D Mark III). My initial attempts at this will be done with my Pixel 3 as a backlight, or an iPad, with a 50mm 1.4 and a macro tube. This brings me to my two questions.

1) What is the best inexpensive online lab that will do push/pull processing and send my negs back to me in neat little 6 frame strips?
2) How in the hell do I properly color correct my digitized negatives?

Everything that I've read about converting film negatives to positives with this technique seems very time consuming. Is there a way to automate it, maybe with Silverfast? Or does Silverfast absolutely need a scanner? I'd like to avoid buying a scanner, as they are expensive, and I don't want to spend over an hour scanning 12 negatives.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Sneeze Party posted:

Everything that I've read about converting film negatives to positives with this technique seems very time consuming. Is there a way to automate it, maybe with Silverfast?

you could automate it by buying a scanner. silverfast, epsonscan, or vuescan all can convert a negative into a color corrected positive directly from a scanner

Blackhawk
Nov 15, 2004

Negative lab pro plug in for lightroom seems to do a good job inverting colour neggies.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
Yeah, trying the demo version of negative lab pro did produce some promising results. Black and white, on the other hand, is dead easy to invert in lightroom/photoshop with no extra plugins necessary.

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.
Toilet Rascal

Blackhawk posted:

Negative lab pro plug in for lightroom seems to do a good job inverting colour neggies.
This looks absolutely perfect for my workflow. Thanks for the suggestion.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Sneeze Party posted:

This looks absolutely perfect for my workflow. Thanks for the suggestion.

How much better is this than just doing it in PS?

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.
Toilet Rascal

VelociBacon posted:

How much better is this than just doing it in PS?
Just based on watching the video, it looks significantly faster. Instead of having to mess directly with curves and color channels, this seems to simplify and speed things up, especially with its ability to do batch processing.

SMERSH Mouth
Jun 25, 2005

Blackhawk posted:

Negative lab pro plug in for lightroom seems to do a good job inverting colour neggies.

The film thread: poz my neggies

The Modern Sky
Aug 7, 2009


We don't exist in real life, but we're working hard in your delusions!

MrBlandAverage posted:

...are they all off by about the same amount?

no, they are all slow around the same area, but not by the same amounts

Leica M4-2 - starts getting slow around 1/30 1/1000 is about 1/500ush
Pentax k100 - gets slow around 1/500, 1/1000 is about 1/600
Minolta CLE - faster? 1/1000 is 1/1125 or there abouts.

I'm going to trust the times are accurate since I know the Arduino has a timing quartz on the board, which keep times very accurately.

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

Karl Barks posted:

you could automate it by buying a scanner. silverfast, epsonscan, or vuescan all can convert a negative into a color corrected positive directly from a scanner

The colour correction for SilverFast gets close, but it's still essential to go into Photoshop and edit. I started off using their built in profiles but have since abandoned that for working with the negs directly. Once you get an eye for it you can get a pretty quick turn around.

My current process is Prescan in SilverFast with their colour correction applied, if I like the shot I'll do a full scan to 48bit RAW and work on it in Photoshop.

Here's a serious gently caress-up that both Silverfast, and the auto-corrected version I got from my lab came back with Ektar 100:

Silverfast


Photoshop


This is more representative of what SilverFast puts out using their default profiles, Fuji Pro 400H:

Silverfast


Photoshop


In the end, I'm going to be going in and making extensive corrections anyway I'd much rather put in a little more work and work with a file that has more detail, and captures more dynamic range than the 24bit corrected scan. I doubt Epsonscan would be worth pursuing for its auto correction but can't say anything towards Vuescan or Negative Pro Lab.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
I use EpsonScan but I turn all of the colour correction, inversion and other automation options off, I just do all of that in Ps when I'm spotting out dust and hairs anyway. It takes a negligible amount of time, even if you are doing a few rolls at once.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2019/02/02/reports-state-that-kodak-alaris-is-looking-to-sell-assets/

Bought my very first roll of Portra yesterday.

The Modern Sky
Aug 7, 2009


We don't exist in real life, but we're working hard in your delusions!
savor it

SMERSH Mouth
Jun 25, 2005

Folks were talking about too-short fixing times earlier. I fixed a couple of rolls with some older Fomafix today for the usual 5 minutes and while things generally turned out usable, a roll of TMAX 400 had pink blotches on it, a sign of underfixing. It has a negligible effect on density and disappears when I convert the scans to grayscale, but one frame on each of the two rolls I developed had a dark patch, which is harder to deal with. Luckily they were on worthless throwaway shots:





The first was TMAX 400, the second Delta 400. Both were developed with Xtol and fixer from the same batches, but in different tanks at different times. The dark patches are visible on the negatives.

Also a result of underfixing?

frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

SMERSH Mouth posted:

Folks were talking about too-short fixing times earlier. I fixed a couple of rolls with some older Fomafix today for the usual 5 minutes and while things generally turned out usable, a roll of TMAX 400 had pink blotches on it, a sign of underfixing. It has a negligible effect on density and disappears when I convert the scans to grayscale, but one frame on each of the two rolls I developed had a dark patch, which is harder to deal with. Luckily they were on worthless throwaway shots:





The first was TMAX 400, the second Delta 400. Both were developed with Xtol and fixer from the same batches, but in different tanks at different times. The dark patches are visible on the negatives.

Also a result of underfixing?

Tmax generally requires longer fix and wash times than something like HP5. I usually fix for something like 13 minutes with Kodak fixer and never have any issues. 5 minutes seems way too short. What was your agitation like?

It’s always worth doing a test with a piece of leader to get a good fix time. For most films the rule of thumb is fix for twice as long as it takes the test piece to clear. For Tmax I’ve heard go three times as long.

pseudorandom
Jun 16, 2010



Yam Slacker

Sneeze Party posted:

1) What is the best inexpensive online lab that will do push/pull processing and send my negs back to me in neat little 6 frame strips?

This is the resource I used when I was looking for labs, and it gives a pretty decent comparison of options.


I've been using Old School Photo Lab and have been happy with their results.

cerious
Aug 18, 2010

:dukedog:
I use Dexter's Camera. They develop for $5 a roll for most formats, including B+W and E6. I just cut stuff up myself afterwards and scan at home.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

cerious posted:

I use Dexter's Camera. They develop for $5 a roll for most formats, including B+W and E6. I just cut stuff up myself afterwards and scan at home.

Fuuuuck, there are two places that develop near me, one is 10$ a roll and only does color, the other is 15$ (bit does B+W). I'd love for only 5$ developing.

The Modern Sky
Aug 7, 2009


We don't exist in real life, but we're working hard in your delusions!

pseudorandom posted:

I've been using Old School Photo Lab and have been happy with their results.

Gonna keep them in mind, I've followed them on instagram for years and they like a lot of the dumb poo poo I post unrelated to film. I should send them some rolls to process for me.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005


Is this really threatening to the Fine Kodak Products we all know and love? Seems like the business to be sold is profitable. Why gently caress with that?

"The fact that it will be run by a government agency does not exactly instill confidence, now does it."

I for one relish the chance to use publicly owned emulsions.

Insanite fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Feb 5, 2019

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Insanite posted:

Is this really threatening to the Fine Kodak Products we all know and love? Seems like the business to be sold is profitable. Why gently caress with that?

"The fact that it will be run by a government agency does not exactly instill confidence, now does it."

I for one relish the chance to use publicly owned emulsions.

I'm kind of confused by the whole situation. Trying to figure out if Alaris actually makes the Kodak Professional stuff, or if they only sell/distribute it. The language I can find on their website seems kind of ambiguous.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

I think I've read that Alaris does manufacture film products, but I trust content mill film blogs' reporting as far as I can throw it, which is either not at all or infinitely far depending on how you think about it.

Holistic Detective
Feb 2, 2008

effing the ineffable
Does anyone know what I've hosed up to cause the weird lighter strip on the right side of this image:


Gardener's Hut by Tim Breeze, on Flickr

I thought it might be a light leak but it doesn't really look like it and it only appears on this one photo.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

Might just be my lovely monitor right now, but does it extend all the way into the UR corner?

Is it on the negative?

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
Wet and foggy day, but at least it was relatively warm...







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Blackhawk
Nov 15, 2004

Lmao:



From a local Facebook group (prices are in NZD, so USD is about 2/3rds of that).

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