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Archyduchess posted:2) A less high-tech Batman could also fit in the JLU in the same way that Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, etc. fit on the Avengers. It's a fantasy, a very capable human being can absolutely keep up with gods and aliens without doing much damage to the narrative. i just wish that was apparent the scores of cool brain geniuses who "jokingly" kvetch about those types of heroes being on super teams and no i'm not bitter about Doug Ramsey shut up
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Feb 5, 2019 21:11
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Batman is the Justice League's Jarvis.
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Feb 5, 2019 21:55
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Archyduchess posted:In terms of sweeping retcons that try to square Batman's origins with the pretty self-evident fact that being a bilionaire is full-stop a lovely and evil thing to be, I think "problematizing the Waynes" is less interesting than "reimagining Batman as not being rich."  quote:How would Batman have waged war against injustice without the vast fortune of the Wayne family to aid in his fight? The answer can be found in BATMAN: THE GOLDEN STREETS OF GOTHAM — a startling new Elseworlds one-shot written by Jen Van Meter (FLINCH, Hopeless Savages, The Blair Witch Chronicles) and illustrated by Cliff Chiang (JOSIE MAC, BEWARE THE CREEPER) and Tommy Lee Edwards (DISAVOWED, Zombie World: Winter’s Dregs), revealing a Dark Knight born in the twentieth century’s first decade. I haven't read it, though
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Feb 5, 2019 22:08
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Alaois posted:i just wish that was apparent the scores of cool brain geniuses who "jokingly" kvetch about those types of heroes being on super teams and no i'm not bitter about Doug Ramsey shut up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bpCmbJeFqw&t=5s
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Feb 5, 2019 22:10
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I think my ideal Batman role in the JL would be Mission Control and administrating the logistics and infrastructure of the base, while also coordinating teams in a way that are best suitable for their aptitudes, and occasionally leading infiltrating, spying or information extraction on Earth. But that's going to be a hard push when people have to keep thinking how he is going to punch Superman this time
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Feb 5, 2019 22:38
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FoneBone posted:there was at least one Elseworlds book with this premise
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Feb 5, 2019 23:01
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I have been thinking for a while that it'd be interesting to have a Batman that hewed closer to Zorro. He's an aristocrat who has returned to Gotham, but his country is under the control of a dictator/occupying army/whatever, so in the Bruce Wayne role he's playing as being a cowardly collaborator with the occupying government, and as Batman he's a resistance fighter sort of thing. I think a dynamic where he's explicitly pitted against a corrupt or oppressive regime is an interesting one, because it means that as Bruce Wayne he needs to make sure he's maintaining his position in that regime to maintain the wealth he needs to resist the regime as Batman.
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Feb 5, 2019 23:11
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Samuringa posted:I think my ideal Batman role in the JL would be Mission Control and administrating the logistics and infrastructure of the base, while also coordinating teams in a way that are best suitable for their aptitudes, and occasionally leading infiltrating, spying or information extraction on Earth. *nodding appreciatively* jarvis
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Feb 5, 2019 23:16
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Samuringa posted:I think my ideal Batman role in the JL would be Mission Control and administrating the logistics and infrastructure of the base, while also coordinating teams in a way that are best suitable for their aptitudes, and occasionally leading infiltrating, spying or information extraction on Earth. So basically Oracle?
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Feb 5, 2019 23:54
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Batman without money is basically Rorschach.
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Feb 5, 2019 23:58
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In short, Batman is a land of contrasts.
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Feb 6, 2019 00:07
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Plastik posted:What if you pull a Spider-man, and his tech is all stolen (either conceptually or whole cloth) from his supervillainous enemies and he's just better at using it? Wait, what are you referring to? Is this during the Parker Industries era?
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Feb 6, 2019 00:32
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jng2058 posted:
The person who wrote that chart but didn't include a source for those quotes is the Evil one. As for the discussion on Batman wealth, can I suggest Batman: War on Crime.
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Feb 6, 2019 00:44
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Toshimo posted:Batman without money is basically Rorschach. Rorschach is the Punisher. Like I'm not even sure there's much difference except Rorschach likes to travel light.
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Feb 6, 2019 00:44
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Rorschach is the Punisher. Like I'm not even sure there's much difference except Rorschach likes to travel light. There also isn't a thin blue line cult worshipping Rorschach and painting his logo on their cop cars
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Feb 6, 2019 00:47
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Lobok posted:Wait, what are you referring to? Is this during the Parker Industries era? Almost every Peter Parker Spiderman develops his tech while at school or working for Lizard or I guess now Ock. Like, the ideas are his but the time and the equipment is not. He has great access but he's dirt poor.
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Feb 6, 2019 00:53
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Rorschach is the Punisher.
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Feb 6, 2019 01:19
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Rorschach is the Punisher. Like I'm not even sure there's much difference except Rorschach likes to travel light. Rorshach is The Question. Well, okay, no. Rorshach is the third point of a triangle with The Question and Mr. A.
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Feb 6, 2019 01:20
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Doc Hawkins posted:Rorshach is The Question. So which part of the Triforce does Mr A get?
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Feb 6, 2019 01:32
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bunnyofdoom posted:There also isn't a thin blue line cult worshipping Rorschach and painting his logo on their cop cars I 100% believe there would be if he had anywhere near the name recognition of the Punisher.
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Feb 6, 2019 01:33
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Kwyndig posted:So which part of the Triforce does Mr A get? Rorschach: Power Courage: Question
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Feb 6, 2019 01:34
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Endless Mike posted:I 100% believe there would be if he had anywhere near the name recognition of the Punisher. I mean conservatives do love him but there wasn't a lot of extra page space for Rorschach to kill hundreds of randos with guns in watchmen and tbh it's probably mainly that his mask is hard to make good stencils and arm patches out of
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Feb 6, 2019 01:38
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Endless Mike posted:Wisdom: Mr. A The way you have arranged these offends and confuses me.
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Feb 6, 2019 01:40
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Endless Mike posted:Wisdom: Mr. A fantastic troll, a+
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Pilchenstein posted:The Punisher is basically "what if Batman used guns?". No, that's Sam Fisher.
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Feb 6, 2019 01:55
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Darren Aronofsky's script of a Batman movie had Bruce Wayne forsaking his family's wealth as part of the character. I think it's up somewhere online
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Feb 6, 2019 03:23
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David D. Davidson posted:Darren Aronofsky's script of a Batman movie had Bruce Wayne forsaking his family's wealth as part of the character. I think it's up somewhere online Well he kind of does that in Batman Begins too. It's just that once he decides to become Batman he realizes he needs money.
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Feb 6, 2019 03:44
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bunnyofdoom posted:There also isn't a thin blue line cult worshipping Rorschach and painting his logo on their cop cars There actually is, but everyone keeps seeing something else.
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Feb 6, 2019 04:11
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Proteus Jones posted:So basically Oracle? Well, she's not there anymore, is she?
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Feb 6, 2019 04:26
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Cabbit posted:There actually is, but everyone keeps seeing something else. 
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Feb 6, 2019 04:39
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muscles like this! posted:Well he kind of does that in Batman Begins too. It's just that once he decides to become Batman he realizes he needs money. Money is pretty handy.
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Feb 6, 2019 07:16
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Removing Batman's money superpower does change his character quite substantially.
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bunnyofdoom posted:There also isn't a thin blue line cult worshipping Rorschach and painting his logo on their cop cars If Punisher shot cops more often that problem would solve itself.
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Feb 6, 2019 09:03
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Elfface posted:Lots of the super tech has been reverse-engineered from various aliens recently. The movies are terrible, but Cyborg is mostly made from a Motherbox there, and even in regular continuity I think he has enough New Gods tech to use boom tubes. How about this,bruce gave away his money to rebuild the city and it actually worked? He faked his death and now slums it in rougher parts of town. Sorry it’s a bit fan-fictiony.
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Feb 6, 2019 11:04
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Monaghan posted:That episode had a bunch of great moments, especially with Bruce and Ace, but whoo boy was that an unneeded and stupid retcon. You don't gotta like it but Terry's dad was a redhead and his mom had light hair way back in the pilot, it ain't a retcon.
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Feb 6, 2019 11:28
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Any one of the three people in that arrangement could have been dyeing their hair!
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Feb 6, 2019 11:29
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Android Blues posted:Any one of the three people in that arrangement could have been dyeing their hair! Terry's little brother has dark hair too and the entire arc of the original show positions Bruce as a surrogate father. It was planned.
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DoctorWhat posted:You don't gotta like it but Terry's dad was a redhead and his mom had light hair way back in the pilot, it ain't a retcon. And his little brother appeared to get some of those Batgenes as well.
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