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CaptainRat
Apr 18, 2003

It seems the secret to your success is a combination of boundless energy and enthusiastic insolence...

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i really don't get how people fail to keep up on oil changes which are a) predictable b) inexpensive and c) prevent catastrophic failures of extremely expensive parts of your car

From personal experience I can tell you that one answer is: depression. (A mental illness which can be very BWM.)

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Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i really don't get how people fail to keep up on oil changes which are a) predictable b) inexpensive and c) prevent catastrophic failures of extremely expensive parts of your car

The problem is cars are so relatively reliable that it's easy to forget to check your oil, even if you are getting it replaced on a regular basis. My car has been burning oil for the last 20k miles and I've had to get into the habit of topping it off or when I get it serviced it'll be 2+ quarts low. I never get a light or alarm.

BMW's and Chryslers burn oil like they're a retreating Iraqi army even when new.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Everyone should own an RX-7 early in their driving life so the habit of always checking and changing oil is permanently burned in.

JayKay
Sep 11, 2001

And you thought they were cute and cuddly.

quote:

I want to marry my boyfriend, but he has $25,000 in credit-card debt and leads a financially reckless lifestyle

Dear Moneyist,

I really love my boyfriend and I think that I’d like to marry him, but at this point in our relationship, we aren’t exactly “financially compatible.”

I am teacher with a credit score of 790, no debt, and a small, but decent amount of savings. I’m planning on buying my first home next year. I don’t make a ton of money, so I am pretty frugal and I really try to just spend it on the things I really need and want, and do without the rest.

My boyfriend is an engineer making more than twice what I make, but he has no savings and lives paycheck to paycheck. He has $25,000 in credit-card debt, a truck payment, and child-support payments. As far as I know, he isn’t able to pay down his debt at all.

His divorce was finalized this year, so some of this financial reality is new for him, and I think it has been difficult for him to come to grips with it.

I’ve asked him to get some free financial counseling, but he says he knows where his money goes so he doesn’t need it. I told him point-blank he should get rid of his truck, and get a car cheap to own and maintain like I have, plus save on payments, gas, and insurance, but he says he loves the truck too much and he owes more than the truck is worth.

I’ve encouraged him to go back to court and try to get some of his divorce renegotiated, because he claims his ex-wife’s income was grossly understated in her divorce papers, but he says he can’t prove it so there is no point.

On the one hand, there are all his excuses.

On the other hand, I honestly haven’t had the financial issues that he has to deal with, so I don’t even really know where he should start. I want him to get his financial house in order so that we can get more serious, but I don’t know exactly what that would look like.

I want to stop offering passive financial advice, and want him to stop offering passive excuses. I want us both to do stuff that works and actually become financially compatible. Any ideas?

Stuck in rut with a boyfriend in debt

:sever:

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Enos Cabell posted:

Everyone should own an RX-7 early in their driving life so the habit of always checking and changing oil is permanently burned in.

Or, really, any car from the early 80s with a DOHC engine.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

.

ChickenOfTomorrow fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Apr 18, 2021

Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i really don't get how people fail to keep up on oil changes which are a) predictable b) inexpensive and c) prevent catastrophic failures of extremely expensive parts of your car

Much like preventative medical/dental care, it's "nothing bad has happened, why should I spend my money?". People are very bad at putting in a little effort/money up front to save a ton of pain in the future.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I keep accidentally clicking the BMW thread (which I also have bookmarked), and eventually that's gonna be BWM.

Furia
Jul 26, 2015

Grimey Drawer

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

Addictions are extremely BWM. Posters in the last iteration of the Kratom thread had spent tens of thousands of dollars on buying 10ml bottles of a special tincture from one vendor's website.

That would be Full Spectrum Tincture (FST), a substance of unknown make up and manufacturing method from Speciosa Specialists (SS), a shady company operating in Asia (?) with offices across the world and alleged underworld connections

To preemptively answer the question of how I know this, the OP of that thread is a wild ride best experienced raw

movax
Aug 30, 2008

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apos-m-millennial-millionaire-why-155804622.html

You idiots and your budgets

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Staryberry posted:

I've listened to plenty of true crime podcasts. Dr. Death was one of the few I wasn't able to stomach the descriptions of the crimes. Dirty John is really good, if you haven't heard the story already.


Everyone is telling him that the most responsible choice is definitely NOT a German luxury car.

Lmfao, ya the notoriously cheap repair bills of a German luxury car, smart idea

TVsVeryOwn posted:

How do guns depreciate? I've heard that rednecks are kinda GWM because when they're flush they buy guns and guitars, which supposedly hold resale value better than other durable goods.

Many guns are bought for way more than they would ever be worth so once gun mania dies down the market dries up and no one will buy it at an inflated price. There are also many manufacturers that make lovely guns that deteriorate overtime (ie they aren't durable) such as everything Remington makes. There's also the issue that not all gun owners maintain their guns, and if you're not cleaning it and such it will turn to poo poo.

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!

this article sucks. i get that the guy's shilling for his dumbass book but even on top of that it's like, offensively bad

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

Furia posted:

That would be Full Spectrum Tincture (FST), a substance of unknown make up and manufacturing method from Speciosa Specialists (SS), a shady company operating in Asia (?) with offices across the world and alleged underworld connections

SS ships out of Chicago, everything else we know about them is hearsay, rumor, and myth. the first kratom thread thread is well worth a skim if you have archives!

one poster in that thread ripped SS off for thousands of dollars worth of FST, which was bold

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Budgets suck! They are terrible!

Instead you should commit to a plan for your major expenses. Perhaps even write it down

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go




Why are you idiots budgeting when you can just cut your housing, food and transportation in half and save $17,500 a year?

Just cut your rent in half while also living close enough so that you can walk to work. Simple. Cut your food costs in half without budgeting by uh...well you just cut it in half without tracking what you're spending somehow.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

There is a grain of truth in that extremely lovely article, but it is summarized by "penny-wise, pound-foolish" and does not need a lot of elaboration.

Countless BWM people I talk to are frugal about poo poo like buying the cheapest gas and turning off the lights they're not using in the house, but idiots about poo poo like cars, housing, weddings, vacations, and taking advantage of their company's 401(k) matching.

metallicaeg
Nov 28, 2005

Evil Red Wings Owner Wario Lemieux Steals Stanley Cup
More car BWM:

During a recent chat about car maintenance with family I mentioned that coming up for 120k miles I was going to replace brake pads/rotors/fluid, engine and cabin air filters, transmission fluid, timing belt, water pump, and the coolant flush.

I got multiple reactions of half joking/half serious that I should just get a new car.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Leperflesh posted:

There is a grain of truth in that extremely lovely article, but it is summarized by "penny-wise, pound-foolish" and does not need a lot of elaboration.

Countless BWM people I talk to are frugal about poo poo like buying the cheapest gas and turning off the lights they're not using in the house, but idiots about poo poo like cars, housing, weddings, vacations, and taking advantage of their company's 401(k) matching.

"Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies" is how I see that sort of decision-making. My brother, when I had my first kid on the way, dared to ask for $6k to "make his racing dreams come true." It's like the grasshopper and the ant come to life.

TwoDice
Feb 11, 2005
Not one, two.
Grimey Drawer

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

SS ships out of Chicago, everything else we know about them is hearsay, rumor, and myth. the first kratom thread thread is well worth a skim if you have archives!

one poster in that thread ripped SS off for thousands of dollars worth of FST, which was bold

got a link?

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf
I enjoy fixing things as a hobby and I always get weird looks when I tell someone I restored or fixed something. Everyone is just expected to use things without maintenance until they wear out and then buy a new one.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Nocheez posted:

"Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies" is how I see that sort of decision-making. My brother, when I had my first kid on the way, dared to ask for $6k to "make his racing dreams come true." It's like the grasshopper and the ant come to life.

Shoulda bought him a racecar bed and left it in his living room

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Nocheez posted:

"Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies" is how I see that sort of decision-making. My brother, when I had my first kid on the way, dared to ask for $6k to "make his racing dreams come true." It's like the grasshopper and the ant come to life.

I guess his racing dreams were to put a frame into a civic or a miata or something and do parking lot autocross, because anything more than that and $6k is an absurdly low number for a racing budget.

SpartanIvy posted:

I enjoy fixing things as a hobby and I always get weird looks when I tell someone I restored or fixed something. Everyone is just expected to use things without maintenance until they wear out and then buy a new one.


Also people refuse to figure out that 2x a year unexpected ~$500 repair bills is vastly cheaper than 1x a month $300 car payments. Because the latter is in their mental budget and the former just isn't. The idea that you could just buy parts and do a lot of those fixes yourself is three more steps beyond the pale.

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf

Nocheez posted:

"Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies" is how I see that sort of decision-making. My brother, when I had my first kid on the way, dared to ask for $6k to "make his racing dreams come true." It's like the grasshopper and the ant come to life.

Should have bought him a $1K Miata.

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf

Leperflesh posted:

Also people refuse to figure out that 2x a year unexpected ~$500 repair bills is vastly cheaper than 1x a month $300 car payments. Because the latter is in their mental budget and the former just isn't. The idea that you could just buy parts and do a lot of those fixes yourself is three more steps beyond the pale.

Me: you should go ahead and fix that now
Them: eh I'll wait until it becomes a real problem
Also them: *doesn't save a penny towards this foreseen and increasingly serious problem*
*Thing breaks*
Them: This happened at the worst time and I can't afford to fix it right now!

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Leperflesh posted:

Also people refuse to figure out that 2x a year unexpected ~$500 repair bills is vastly cheaper than 1x a month $300 car payments. Because the latter is in their mental budget and the former just isn't. The idea that you could just buy parts and do a lot of those fixes yourself is three more steps beyond the pale.

I had a bunch of fairly expensive maintenance on my car (couple thousand bucks) in the past few months, most of it relatively expected and the kind of thing that won't be an issue again for another 100k miles (i.e., life of the car). No doubt many people would have balked and traded in the car on something new.

It was still less than just sales tax alone on a new 30-35k car.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Leperflesh posted:

I guess his racing dreams were to put a frame into a civic or a miata or something and do parking lot autocross, because anything more than that and $6k is an absurdly low number for a racing budget.
Sponsoring a racing team sounds like a really fun retirement project. BWM, but fun.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
I want to do LeMons so bad. My friend keeps buying cars to do it with but instead turns around and sells them for a profit. I don't think he gets it.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Phanatic posted:

I want to do LeMons so bad. My friend keeps buying cars to do it with but instead turns around and sells them for a profit. I don't think he gets it.

I've done that a few times now too. I think I'm too good at picking out good cheap older cars and fixing them cheap.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost
I wish my bro was doing LeMons. Instead, he races "street stock" which are RWD American V8s. He has exactly zero dollars saved for retirement at age 47. I think his plan is to work until he has a heart attack, which is a bad plan when you drive big rigs.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/amhfhn/we_need_helpadvice_what_are_we_doing_wrong/
We need help/advice!! What are we doing wrong?
Budgeting

quote:

I'm an engineer with a great company, gross salary is about $84k. I bring home about $4,600 a month. My husband works for a small local company, blue collar, no degree, typically brings home about $1,600 a month at a pay rate of $13 an hour. **side note: he just got a new job and will start in 2 weeks. This will increase his hourly pay to $18 an hour. I estimate this will increase his monthly bring home to be about $2,000 a month.

We have 3 kids. We live a modest life, dont drive fancy cars or have new clothes. Heck, I havent bought myself new clothes in the past 3 years because we simply cant afford it. Our kids wear hand me downs. We havent been on a vacation in 4 years. We have one car payment, $350/mo. We have a few student loans that total to be about $600/mo. We are renting a house at $1,250. I spend about $1,000 a month on groceries (for a family of 5 that's not too bad).

I'm struggling because we are constantly living check to check. We dont have a pot to piss in. We have nothing in savings and we are constantly broke. I maintain a budget, I monitor our accounts, I know what we have coming in and going out. But obviously we are doing something wrong... I just cant understand what we are doing wrong or why we struggle so much when we bring in decent money and we dont spend excessively. It's so frustrating and I'm at my wits end. I wish there was someone or some service out there that would be willing to sit down with us and go over my budget spreadsheet with us and help us to identify our problem and help us come up with a plan to change our financial situation.

Where's all the money going? Who knows.

quote:

$6200 income and you mentioned $3200 worth of expenses. $3000 left that needs to be accounted for.

quote:

Recurring monthly bills:

Rent $1250

Water Bill $80

Car insurance (Geico) $153

ATT (cable & internet) $230


Credit card pmt $50


Gas bill $66

Student Loan (federal) $85


Husband Amazon card pmt $85 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $35)

Husband Walmart card pmt $88 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $35)

Firestone card pmt $60 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $25)


Verizon $310

American Express card pmt $134 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $35)

Capital one card pmt $107 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $35)


Car payment $340

Student loan (private) $407

Kohls card pmt $121 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $35)

My Amazon card pmt $94 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $35)

My Walmart card pmt $89 (covers 2 months b/c we missed last month, minimum payment is $35)


That brings our total "necessary" monthly bills to $3,987. And if you're wondering, yes we missed all those credit card payments in December and had to pay two payments in January. None of them were over 30 days late and while it's not ideal it was necessary to get through the financial hell that is Christmas/December.

Then we have all the extras... the unnecessary spending categories. They are as follows:

Alcohol $253

Ancestry.com $20


ATM Cash Withdrawals $145

Auto Maintenance $129

Bank fees $187 (**this is super embarrassing to admit but we had several things bounce this month, some hit at $25 a pop and others $32)

Church $75


Eating Out $250

Gas $303

Groceries $1036

Gym $30

Kids bday gifts $53

Kids Lunch $150 (**I know this looks bad, their lunch accounts were negative so I had to pay that plus enough for them to eat for the month)

Kids school fees $37 (field trip expense)

Medical bills $30

Medication $25

Microsoft $20

Netflix $14

Pest control $50

Husband Lunch $49

My lunch $34

Stopping at stores $175

So all that unnecessary spending totals out to be $3065. Doing the math here: $3065 + $3987 = $7052 Income - expenses = $7058 - 7052 = $6

Oh, right. It's all that credit card debt, student loan debt, $540/mo for phones/internet/tv, and $20 each for Ancestry.com and Microsoft Office

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i really don't get how people fail to keep up on oil changes which are a) predictable b) inexpensive and c) prevent catastrophic failures of extremely expensive parts of your car

I suspect it has more to do with inconvenience than price. Basically anyone with a couple working brain cells can do an oil change, but even wrench monkeys don't do their own because it's messy and a pain unless you have a lift. If you take it to a shop, you may have just paid $50+ for them to leave out your drain plug, forget to put new oil in it, and/or not replace the filter; if you take it to the dealer, it'll take all day and maybe have the same results (my dealer managed to not gently caress up the oil change part, but did consistently fail to do any of the other 'extra' services while marking them done). I once had mine done by an independent shop who not only did not replace the oil cap he'd left on the edge of the engine compartment, he slammed the drat hood on it so the edge stuck up when I picked up my car.

Nocheez posted:

I wish my bro was doing LeMons. Instead, he races "street stock" which are RWD American V8s. He has exactly zero dollars saved for retirement at age 47. I think his plan is to work until he has a heart attack, which is a bad plan when you drive big rigs.

Excuse you, that's a brilliant plan, just ask my former-trucker dad who died of a heart attack at 55 (not on the road).

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
yes maintaining a car is inconvenient but not as inconvenient as having an underwater chevrolet equinox with a stretched timing chain parked in your driveway

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

canyoneer posted:

Oh, right. It's all that credit card debt, student loan debt, $540/mo for phones/internet/tv, and $20 each for Ancestry.com and Microsoft Office

Compared to what must be tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt and who knows how much student loan debt, the ancestry and microsoft payments are utterly trivial and not even worth mentioning.

These people are mostly hosed because of their borrowing. They could cut their phone bill in half, the alcohol spending entirely, and save ~$400 a month, immediately; what they desperately need to do is consolidate their credit card debts, though, which will likely save them enormously on interest in addition to giving them far more flexibility in their budget.

Nickling and diming for $20 here or there is worthless and will do nothing for them in the long-run when they're throwing at least several hundred a month into late fees and interest charges.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

canyoneer posted:

Where's all the money going? Who knows.

Oh, right. It's all that credit card debt, student loan debt, $540/mo for phones/internet/tv, and $20 each for Ancestry.com and Microsoft Office

I always love these purestrain BWM posts. No idea where all the money is going despite having a million credit cards where they only ever make minimum payments. Waiting for them to cut back on the kid's school lunches, they don't deserve $3 for a slice of pizza.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
nobody should spend money on ancestry.com

how in gently caress are they paying 320/mo for telephones

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal
Rolling over iPhones probably. And the age of the kids aren't specified but you know they each have a phone. And kids break phones

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
I found the open-marriage bonus on this one.

quote:

It's a really long story, the short version is that he pressured me into an "open-marriage" (this meant he was allowed to see other people and I wasn't), then we broke up because he thought spending 5 days a week with his girlfriend was totally okay (It wasn't, we have two young boys), but we still live together because we can't afford to live apart and our families don't know that we are separated. It's been absolute, complete, total hell for me the past 18 months, and I struggle every day because it's so easy to spiral into severe depression over the whole situation. Valentine's Day will be the first one I've spent single since 2002, and even though money is extremely tight right now, I know my husband is going to buy his girlfriend something nice to celebrate (even though he always told me through the years that V-Day gifts were stupid and unnecessary).

Holy poo poo, I'm sorry for venting. I just found out his girlfriend has been sending him apartment listings and I'm a little sore about it.

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal
Your in a paper marriage get a divorce.

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Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Your in a paper marriage get a divorce.

Divorce is the easiest way to halve the debt.

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