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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

mcmagic posted:

I wouldn't want to be judged on my 19 year old self. The Herring stuff is bothering me.

This is a meaningless phrase. After all, if 19-year-old Herring had raped and murdered a half-dozen women, then you'd probably want him to be held responsible, in spite of the decades that had passed since then.

What you're really uncomfortable about isn't how long ago the crime was committed or how young he was at the time. You just don't feel like wearing blackface is enough of a sin to hold over someone's head for a long period of time.

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Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

friendbot2000 posted:

I don't think it was myth IRRc from the book I read on her.

Fun Fact: an miniboss in Diablo 2 is basicall Elizabeth Bathory, ripped wholesale from history. The Blood Countess I believe she is called.

It's just The Countess.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Main Paineframe posted:

This is a meaningless phrase. After all, if 19-year-old Herring had raped and murdered a half-dozen women, then you'd probably want him to be held responsible, in spite of the decades that had passed since then.

What you're really uncomfortable about isn't how long ago the crime was committed or how young he was at the time. You just don't feel like wearing blackface is enough of a sin to hold over someone's head for a long period of time.

I don't know if it's enough of a sin is the truth. I didn't ever wear blackface but I wouldn't entrust my 19 year old self with any position of responsibility or judgement, that is for sure.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
My ignorance would like me to believe I was just completely in the dark of what trans even was until maybe I was 20, but I probably laughed at bugs bunny cartoons and did poo poo that was evil and transphobic that I've conveniently forgotten about. I guess this is just the dem platform now, confess your sins while the right either laughs and says "SEE YOU ARE RACIST, JUST BE LIKE US" and yet proclaim themselves clean of any transgression even when they push the build a gas chamber in the wall bill.

an AOL chatroom
Oct 3, 2002

I may have missed it, but has this been discussed here?



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250189748

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.
https://twitter.com/silkyjumbo/status/1093201364644179978

I mean, she's not wrong...

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Main Paineframe posted:

This is a meaningless phrase. After all, if 19-year-old Herring had raped and murdered a half-dozen women, then you'd probably want him to be held responsible, in spite of the decades that had passed since then.

What you're really uncomfortable about isn't how long ago the crime was committed or how young he was at the time. You just don't feel like wearing blackface is enough of a sin to hold over someone's head for a long period of time.

As bad as blackface is though its not rape or murder, and racism is something that someone can grow out of with reflection and education.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Meanwhile

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1093207756146798592
https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/1093191266907709442
https://twitter.com/jaywillis/status/1093190280193310720
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1093226647329755136

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Crabtree posted:

My ignorance would like me to believe I was just completely in the dark of what trans even was until maybe I was 20, but I probably laughed at bugs bunny cartoons and did poo poo that was evil and transphobic that I've conveniently forgotten about. I guess this is just the dem platform now, confess your sins while the right either laughs and says "SEE YOU ARE RACIST, JUST BE LIKE US" and yet proclaim themselves clean of any transgression even when they push the build a gas chamber in the wall bill.

Is your contention that nobody could possibly know that dressing like a Klan member was racist in 1985, the same way transgenderism wasn't well understood in 2000?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
They should just kick Gaetz off the committee. They don't need to have him there wasting everyone's time.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

an AOL chatroom posted:

I may have missed it, but has this been discussed here?



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250189748

The description makes it sound like it's more about 4chan than SA.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Racism wasn't invented until 2009.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

an AOL chatroom posted:

I may have missed it, but has this been discussed here?



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250189748

yes but the publication date is in july so it'll be a while until we can post stuff from it

friendbot2000
May 1, 2011

Star Man posted:

It's just The Countess.

drat. Its been 8 years since I played. I am ashamed because I played that game for a decade.

Diqnol
May 10, 2010

1stGear posted:

The description makes it sound like it's more about 4chan than SA.

OTOH goons tend to take pride in the 4chan guy starting off here, so this is our reward.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


1stGear posted:

The description makes it sound like it's more about 4chan than SA.

I mean technically didn't we spawn 4chan accidentally?

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

an AOL chatroom posted:

I may have missed it, but has this been discussed here?



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250189748

"Obscure"? drat.

I remember when I was a kid and SA was the forum of snobby adults that I couldn't use because I didn't have any way to spend money on the internet.

Niton
Oct 21, 2010

Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?

RasperFat posted:

In the mid nineties, in Southern California, we played a “smear the queer” football game in elementary school.

It took me years to stop casually tossing out gay as a negative modifier. That poo poo is so prolific I can’t even imagine how much worse it is in regions that don’t place any value in acceptance and tolerance.

That's exactly what I mean - while there are individuals out there who somehow avoided it, it was EVERYWHERE, and it's only with the benefit of hindsight that a lot of people recognize how hosed up and omnipresent anti-gay rhetoric was.

Anti-gay replaced anti-minority 1:1 for a lot of people, and was in turn replaced by disability slurs which.. are still pretty prevalent even amongst people who are otherwise left leaning (retard, autistic/sperg, etc). The stories we admit to look bad even now, when a solid third of the country still hates anybody who isn't cis/het. I can't imagine they'll look better by 2030.

And if you don't believe me, then just go with Lee Carter's word - he's the first to admit that our generation is going to have some serious skeletons in our closet for a more accepting future.

Niton fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 6, 2019

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



Gaetz is bad even by Florida Republican standards, a community that also includes Rick Scott, Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, and Ted Yoho.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

I mean technically didn't we spawn 4chan accidentally?

Lowtax banned underage anime porn and banned a bunch of users, so one of them decided to start 4Chan

We also kinda invented/incubated the culture of internet trolling

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better


I like that dude, and honestly this is going to be mandatory for any political campaign in the information age going forward.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Push El Burrito posted:

Racism wasn't invented until 2009.

No you full. It completely ended in 2009.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Madkal posted:

No you full. It completely ended in 2009.

No, Obama made it worse because

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

VitalSigns posted:

Is your contention that nobody could possibly know that dressing like a Klan member was racist in 1985, the same way transgenderism wasn't well understood in 2000?

People were taking about Herring, i know that understanding context of conversation is anathema to you but come on

volts5000
Apr 7, 2009

It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.
Any ideas what this is about?

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1093255759784280068

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

I mean technically didn't we spawn 4chan accidentally?

4chan was formed from the banned outcasts who were too lovely for SA even 15 years ago so I guess technically sure

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1093262550312124416

Hillary must resign immediately!

The chuds are a rambunctious lot.

Z. Autobahn
Jul 20, 2004

colonel tigh more like colonel high
Yeah, I 100% believe every single person under 35 has at least one post somewhere out there on the Internet that's deeply embarrassing and worth apologizing for, and we'll have to figure out how we reconcile that with politics as more Millennials seek office, but that's not really comparable to *posing in blackface with a person dressed as a Klansman"

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

mcmagic posted:

They should just kick Gaetz off the committee. They don't need to have him there wasting everyone's time.

Best part in 1st video is you hear after Gaetz speakes a commitee member say "jesus christ"

It is amazing to see GOP realize they no longer hold the power in every committee. At the start of the gun violence hearing, one of the members objected that the chairman did not say under god in the oath that he has guests take.

Z. Autobahn
Jul 20, 2004

colonel tigh more like colonel high

Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1093262550312124416

Hillary must resign immediately!

The chuds are a rambunctious lot.

Republicans gonna lose in 2020 because they'll be aggressively campaigning against Clinton instead of whoever the nominee is

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



That long investigation the Miami Herald did included allegations that the US Attorney gave Epstein a sweetheart deal despite all of the claims that he abused tons of girls

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Best part in 1st video is you hear after Gaetz speakes a commitee member say "jesus christ"

It is amazing to see GOP realize they no longer hold the power in every committee. At the start of the gun violence hearing, one of the members objected that the chairman did not say under god in the oath that he has guests take.

They should just kick off all the Republicans off the committee.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



So here's the thing, to actually fight racism in this country there has to be a reckoning. Part of that is white people coming out and admitting they done hosed up, usually on a personal level, as a lot of people aren't necessarily part of the systematic oppression.

Part of coming out and admitting your lovely behavior means you may not be forgiven, you shouldn't expect to be forgiven and that has to be ok. These guys in Virginia are going to be examples to the next generation of what the gently caress not to do and it's going to be ugly and that has to be ok. Part of upending oppression is confronting that ugliness.

I see people posting about dumb stuff they did as a teenager and while some seem genuinely sorry, others seem more worried they'll be held up as examples and confronted for their lovely behavior. We need those examples though, and part of making amends isn't just admitting you did wrong but listening to the voices of the people you hurt, even if you feel hurt in return by hearing them.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Nonsense posted:

Hillary must resign immediately!

The chuds are a rambunctious lot.

Oh hey, the chuds realized in YOOL 2019 that we think blackface is a bad thing

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
ed missed new page

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

I mean technically didn't we spawn 4chan accidentally?

That's what the book title is referring to.

It's by the same author as this, expanded: https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
if they want to build the wall metal down all gunz to make the steel slits.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

FlamingLiberal posted:

That long investigation the Miami Herald did included allegations that the US Attorney gave Epstein a sweetheart deal despite all of the claims that he abused tons of girls

Yup

https://mobile.twitter.com/RawStory/status/1093266422816538639

Ornedan
Nov 4, 2009


Cybernetic Crumb

theflyingorc posted:

People were taking about Herring, i know that understanding context of conversation is anathema to you but come on

Meanwhile, the context in question:

Niton posted:

The picture is more than a decade older than Northam was when it was taken. There is a point where you have to say to yourself "this is long enough ago that someone can be a materially different person", and if 35 years isn't enough i'm not really sure there's any point where you can be happy.

And yes, you have to. We're coming up on a full generation of politicians who grew up on the internet. Everyone who isn't a vat-grown Young Conservative has done something lovely enough to disqualify them.

I note a certain lack of Herringness in the name mentioned in that post.

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Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Bigger shock regarding Acosta


quote:

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) requested the probe after the Herald published a bombshell three-part series titled “Perversion of Justice” detailing how Acosta cut a lenient plea deal for Jeffrey Epstein.

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