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I'm mean, just because they're setting up the narrative for an intervention doesn't necessarily mean they will go ahead with it. Everything will be fine.
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Conspiratiorist posted:I'm mean, just because they're setting up the narrative for an intervention doesn't necessarily mean they will go ahead with it. US ground forces will be in Lebanon any day now, book it. They've been setting the stage for it.
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Feb 7, 2019 06:59
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Freezer posted:There's not going to be an overt military adventure of the US in Venezuela, even a moron like Trump knows better than to stick his dick in that beehive. i regret to inform you that trump is in fact erect at the idea of loving a beehive.
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A big flaming stink posted:i regret to inform you that trump is in fact erect at the idea of loving a beehive. While I generally agree, I think Trump is also a coward at heart who loves to talk a big game but is too chickenshit to commit—much like how he made so much bluster about striking Syria, only to blow up some empty airfields and call it a day.
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Feb 7, 2019 07:25
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Project cassandra confirmed all this in 2008. 11 years ago.
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Why couldn't Maduro have just been like Mobutu?
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Nonsense posted:Why couldn't Maduro have just been like Mobutu? Right comrades?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Project cassandra confirmed all this in 2008. 11 years ago. and Iraq had weapons of mass distraction and was behind 9/11
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A Typical Goon posted:and Iraq had weapons of mass distraction It sure appears that way.
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Freezer posted:There's not going to be an overt military adventure of the US in Venezuela, even a moron like Trump knows better than to stick his dick in that beehive. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1015016755465478147?s=19 https://twitter.com/JamesKosur/status/1014569418783768577?s=19 Got some bad news about how dumb Trump is.
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Yeah, Trump is a delusional moron, and he's surrounded by people who are even dumber or more evil than he is. However, Guaidó calling up a bunch of foreign leaders and going "We're gonna try this, do we have you guys in our corner?" just seems like a common sense thing to do, even if one of those leaders happen to be the Cheeto-in-Chief. Or I guess it's possible Guaidó called up his CIA handlers and asked "What are your orders, my reptilian overlords?".
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Hezbollah? In your hemisphere?! It's more likely than you think.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:
Like I said, confronting people's actual positions must be entirely too much of a matter of discomfort for you.
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Some of the backing the opposition has (especially the U.S.) is pretty bad. But they are never going to get backing from 'good,' left-wing governments. The South and Central American left-wing governments have proven time and time again that they have no intention of doing anything meaningful against Maduro.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/world/venezuela-passports-investigation/index.html Venezuela may have given passports to people with ties to terrorism I tried to make a fancy link but failed.
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why doesn't the US just donate their extra money to caritas
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https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/1093464461577539584 I don't have a  big enough for this, sorry
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Some of the backing the opposition has (especially the U.S.) is pretty bad.
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Truga posted:https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/1093464461577539584 Something something unquenchable American thirst for blood.
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https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/1091852445737803776 as recently as 2009 the US was doing dodgy poo poo with the USAID program https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/usaid-latin-americans-cuba-rebellion-hiv-workshops Jose fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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Truga posted:https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/1093464461577539584 It's practically a super power.
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Volkerball posted:US ground forces will be in Lebanon any day now, book it. They've been setting the stage for it. There were US ground forces in Lebanon.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There were US ground forces in Lebanon. they were very democratic
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Bob le Moche posted:Hmmmm what does it mean I wonder It means $$$
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Kurnugia posted:they were very democratic One man one truck.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Some of the backing the opposition has (especially the U.S.) is pretty bad. drat, that's weird. Why do you think that is?
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exmarx posted:drat, that's weird. Why do you think that is? I mean in the case of Cuba it's because Venezuela literally gives them oil, that's a gravy train no nation would turn down.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean in the case of Cuba it's because Venezuela literally gives them oil, that's a gravy train no nation would turn down. Nicaragua is the same deal and Maduro had their back while they were gunning down protestors in far larger numbers than the PSUV. I'm not sure what's up with the faithfulness of Bolivia as a political ally -- maybe just solidarity? I'm surprised more of the tiny Caribbean states haven't come out in favor of Maduro. Or have they, but no one cares because the total population of all the independent Antilles states minus Trinidad is like... 600k people?
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean in the case of Cuba it's because Venezuela literally gives them oil, that's a gravy train no nation would turn down. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/juan-guaido-will-open-up-oil-deals-to-foreign-private-companies-a8763821.html especially the ones behind Guaido, you mean?
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Yeah, it's not like we've been going over why joint private/state ventures is a nobrainer wrt the Venezuelan oil industry the last 20 pages or so, no siree. Anyway, if the us propaganda apparatus is gearing up for an intervention in Venezuela a'la Iraq or Libya, they're doing a poo poo job. Neither CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC or even loving Fox News has a single article up on their front page about Venezuela right now.
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Kurnugia posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/juan-guaido-will-open-up-oil-deals-to-foreign-private-companies-a8763821.html oh hey I actually posted about this like four pages ago Acebuckeye13 posted:Less than you'd think, actually!
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oh hey, so you did! that does makes it even funnier to hear you complaining maduro's backers are in it for the money and nothing else, so thanks for that. though i'll admit that the US does also want to kill socialists as a matter of course, even without a major profit incentive. so there is that
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1015016755465478147?s=19 yeah i'm frankly surprised then suddenly john bolton and mike pompeo and welp i'm also a little surprised maduro never hit on the idea of just bribing Donald Trump; one Trump Golf Resort Caracas later and all the kleptocrats' assets are unfrozen
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I mean, I'm no goddamn libertarian or free market psychopath. I honestly believe that profits from Venezuelan oil should benefit the Venezuelan people. But in order for the money from oil to go back to the people, you need just that - profit. If the PDVSA runs at a loss, or just barely manages to break even, there's no money going back to the state. And currently, the PDVSA is in such a dire condition it will probably stop producing oil all together in a few years. To get the Venezuelan oil industry back to even a semblance of pre-maduro output, you'd need massive investment. Where's that money coming from? Is it gonna be paid by the nearly bankrupt state that can't even keep it's citizens fed? Or is it gonna come from international loans and private companies? Honestly, if you have any better alternatives, please tell me what those are.
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Kurnugia posted:oh hey, so you did! that does makes it even funnier to hear you complaining maduro's backers are in it for the money and nothing else, so thanks for that. though i'll admit that the US does also want to kill socialists as a matter of course, even without a major profit incentive. so there is that This sure is a post alright.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This sure is a post alright. Kind of a tankie Markov chain maybe?
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Mr. Sunshine posted:I mean, I'm no goddamn libertarian or free market psychopath. I honestly believe that profits from Venezuelan oil should benefit the Venezuelan people. But in order for the money from oil to go back to the people, you need just that - profit. If the PDVSA runs at a loss, or just barely manages to break even, there's no money going back to the state. And currently, the PDVSA is in such a dire condition it will probably stop producing oil all together in a few years. To get the Venezuelan oil industry back to even a semblance of pre-maduro output, you'd need massive investment. Where's that money coming from? Is it gonna be paid by the nearly bankrupt state that can't even keep it's citizens fed? Or is it gonna come from international loans and private companies? hosed if I know, but you know there are countries out there not beholden to US geopolitical interests, right? I'm sure China and Russia would be more interested in that if the imminent threat of US invasion was withdrawn, but foreign investment in general is not going to happen full stop as long as you got mr trump threatening to roll tanks over the border every other week. as for output being lower than pre-maduro... yeah no poo poo, the prices for oil are also kinda different from that time. my point was though that it is kinda the definition of actually literal projection to insist that anyone supporting maduro is only doing it for the sweet sweet oil. you know, when you got the other guy over there promising sweet deals on venezuelan state oil company privatization?
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Kurnugia posted:you know, when you got the other guy over there promising sweet deals on venezuelan state oil company privatization? I don't think privatization means what you think it means. Or are you talking about something other than allowing PDVSA to have less than a 51% stake in joint ventures?
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dublish posted:I don't think privatization means what you think it means. Or are you talking about something other than allowing PDVSA to have less than a 51% stake in joint ventures? sure (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I mean, obviously Cuba, Nicaragua, and Bolivia aren't just sticking with Maduro for the oil. Chavez spent a lot of time and treasure building up regional relationships, using oil to facilitate diplomatic favors and trade deals. Cuba, for instance, sent doctors and educators in return for the massive amounts of oil that Chavez sent, and Bolivia entered into an extremely favorable agreement to export soy. Since then, Cuba, Bolivia, and Venezuela have acted as a regional trading a diplomatic bloc, often supporting each other's votes in the UN and creating very favorable trade deals with each other. Even now, Venezuela continues to provide about two and a half million dollars worth of oil to Cuba per day—which is a shitton of money. So yeah, Cuba and Bolivia definitely have something to lose if the government of Venezuela becomes less friendly—cheap oil is a big part of it, obviously, but more than that they risk losing an important trading and diplomatic partner, and risk becoming more diplomatically isolated in an unfavorable regional climate towards their countries. And because of that, for them actual legitimacy of Maduro is a fairly moot point. e: international geopolitics is really a poor place to look for morality or objective truth Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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