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Who is this? I can't find any good contextualizing information or background to determine their affiliations, and their entire feed is one-directional.
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Feb 6, 2019 21:08
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Yeah Maduro's time is just about up if he's sealing the border.
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Feb 6, 2019 21:12
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The BBC is reporting it as well. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47143492 Edit: I chuckled https://twitter.com/bloggingsbyboz/status/1093199290623774721 beer_war fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Feb 6, 2019 21:19
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That is one of the lowest production zombie movie barricades I've seen.
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Feb 6, 2019 21:41
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Discendo Vox posted:That is one of the lowest production zombie movie barricades I've seen. I dont want to mock the efforts of a starving populace from blocking food
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Feb 6, 2019 21:47
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exploded mummy posted:I dont want to mock the efforts of a starving populace from blocking food I hear you, but I also agree that it's a really ill-thought out symbolic effort, presumably so that the government can get footage of aid getting through it and call it a military invasion. Has anyone read the precise location of that barricade? I want to look at the surrounding geography.
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Feb 6, 2019 22:01
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Tienditas international bridge says that tweet. Seems to check out at first glance. https://www.google.com/maps/@7.8761643,-72.4519817,1931m/data=!3m1!1e3 Yeah, the pictures section even has pictures from today: https://www.google.com/maps/place/P...1!4d-72.4522255 beer_war fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Feb 6, 2019 22:10
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Discendo Vox posted:I hear you, but I also agree that it's a really ill-thought out symbolic effort, presumably so that the government can get footage of aid getting through it and call it a military invasion. Puente Binacional Tienditas
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Argh, sorry and thank you, I have no idea why I didn't get any results the first time I entered that. it'd be very interesting to swing by some of the other entry points and see if they're similarly blocked. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Feb 6, 2019 22:15
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beer_war posted:The BBC is reporting it as well. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47143492 Pompeo demands air corridor opened? Is that headline supposed to say "aid corridor"?
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Feb 6, 2019 22:16
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Flavahbeast posted:Pompeo demands air corridor opened? Is that headline supposed to say "aid corridor"? Berlin Airlift 2: Venezuelan Boogaloo
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The tank-ish anti-imperialist take on Venezuelan lived experience has now a. furiously defended the food distribution programs that Maduro has been using for years as a blatantly corrupt enrichment scheme, asserting that challenges to it are proof of the true aims of a privatization interest coup and now also b. described the bachaqueros reselling toilet paper during a time of hyperinflation and critical food and supply shortages as "getting rich off black market food hoarding and reselling" basically, their ideological corner on the venezuela political takes map can be labeled "everything is a massively corrupt enrichment scheme, except for actual massively corrupt enrichment schemes, which are fine" and now, almost symbolically, the venezuelan food aid program's freight boxes are used to physically bar food aid. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:why can't these dickless lefties see the potential upsides of sledgehammering racially impure children to death, extremely good question. Challenging people's actual arguments must lie somewhere between terrifying you and being extremely inconvenient to your foreign savior gatekeeping. I guess that will never change, but can we quit with this repetition of theme with dicks, just at minimum? uninterrupted posted:“Yeah but this time is different! And I haven’t put my dick in anything for a while, this might end up better!” gently caress's sake, you too, extremely different person.
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Feb 6, 2019 23:20
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Hugoon Chavez posted:Venezuelans in this thread have been called "not real Venezuelans" because we have access to the internet and speak the magical language of English. Obvious we must be rich burgouise people from old money. Randarkman posted:I think there was one from even longer ago, before any of these Venezuela threads and I think before Chavez died where some Veneuzuelan wanted help to emigrate because he was scared for his life because of the extreme rise in crime and the increasingly difficult economic situation. I believe he almost was run off by people telling him he obviously was misinformed about everything and there was really nothing to fear, though he also got some actual information on how to emigrate as well. I get the feeling that a lot of goons enjoy speaking for "genuine" Venezuelans, who are assuredly dirt poor and lack proper internet access, just to burnish their own comfortably socialist bonafides and score points with their comrades. It reeks of the usual paternalistic BS from a bunch of people who've never experienced the sheer deprivation and terror that countless Venezuelans continue to deal with on a daily basis.
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Feb 7, 2019 00:42
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Kavros posted:Challenging people's actual arguments must lie somewhere between terrifying you and being extremely inconvenient to your foreign savior gatekeeping. I guess that will never change, but can we quit with this repetition of theme with dicks, just at minimum? what can I say, guy decided that people demonstrating insufficient support for Abrams-led regime change were eunuchs, i decided to explore the implications of that attack. how much more full of testicular fortitude, how magnificently virile must the people begging Poppa Sledgehammer to come take care of the Undeserving be! i'll give him credit for realizing that was an extremely stupid idea and hastily editing it back out. we all say things we regret, when we're trying to reconcile our discomfort with our positions and our hatred of the people who oppose them. this will not mean I'm not going to mock it as -exactly- the infantile veneration of shock-and-awe militarism that produced such success stories as the previous eleven entries on this list. man, look at number six, there. sure is a good thing there's no racial or class distinctions in Venezuela, per our friends in this thread. because the guy we've got coming in has made it very clear what he considers the solution to the dark-skinned and/or rural peasantry interfering with the sell-off of a country's national resources. imagine how gloriously masculine that guy must be, to see the positive side of bludgeoning children to death so the bodies make a more effective warning to those that find them.
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Feb 7, 2019 01:00
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:what can I say, guy decided that people demonstrating insufficient support for Abrams-led regime change were eunuchs, i decided to explore the implications of that attack. how much more full of testicular fortitude, how magnificently virile must the people begging Poppa Sledgehammer to come take care of the Undeserving be! No one here wants Abrams involved in Venezuela.
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Feb 7, 2019 01:04
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:No one here wants Abrams involved in Venezuela. fantastic. so I assume you're going to support the people attempting to avert that outcome, then.
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Feb 7, 2019 01:05
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:fantastic. so I assume you're going to support the people attempting to avert that outcome, then. This is not a binary situation. You can be alarmed at the appointment of Abrams and fully believe that US support for the opposition is being managed by dipshits and morons who are more concerned with making themselves look good than actually helping the people of Venezuela, while also wanting Maduro and the other PSUV hacks that have brought the country to the brink of ruination to step down.
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Feb 7, 2019 01:11
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:fantastic. so I assume you're going to support the people attempting to avert that outcome, then. Not if its the same people that are supporting the status quo of starvation and corruption. Its too bad Maduro can't see the writing on the wall and just step down so there can be a real election and he can leave the country before things get worse.
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Feb 7, 2019 01:18
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This is not a binary situation. You can be alarmed at the appointment of Abrams and fully believe that US support for the opposition is being managed by dipshits and morons who are more concerned with making themselves look good than actually helping the people of Venezuela, while also wanting Maduro and the other PSUV hacks that have brought the country to the brink of ruination to step down. I think we could write this out a thousand times and not one of these dip shits would notice. I do wonder what they have to say about Maduro blocking the food aid from entering the country today. Also, it makes me think that Maduro must actually be afraid that some of his military units might actually collect and hand out the food. Otherwise, wouldn't you just let it into the country and then steal it?
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Feb 7, 2019 01:21
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zapplez posted:Not if its the same people that are supporting the status quo of starvation and corruption. Its too bad Maduro can't see the writing on the wall and just step down so there can be a real election and he can leave the country before things get worse. bad news, friend. right here, right now, your choice is between food shortages and corruption, and "oh I'm sure he got all the smashing-child-skulls-for-the-crime-of-opposing-him out of his system in Guatemala" neither are good. which one would you prefer.
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Feb 7, 2019 01:27
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:bad news, friend. right here, right now, your choice is between food shortages and corruption, and "oh I'm sure he got all the smashing-child-skulls-for-the-crime-of-opposing-him out of his system in Guatemala" Yes because there isn't a near infinite constellation of other possible outcomes that also exist. Just these two things. If Maduro truly did care about his people and not just his power, he'd have a fair, open, and scrutinized election as soon as it could be put together. Second edit: So what are your thoughts on the fact that Maduro shut the border to food aid today? edit: clarity
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Giggle Goose posted:I think we could write this out a thousand times and not one of these dip shits would notice. this one entertainingly he has justification for on both malevolent food tyrant grounds and guy who doesn't want to get couped grounds. google USAID Cuba CIA, you'll get a fun raft of reports on the subject, I'm particularly fond of the Guardian's. short form, you accept US aid, you are also accepting US spies, they've been caught doing this poo poo as recently as 2014 in Cuba.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:this one entertainingly he has justification for on both malevolent food tyrant grounds and guy who doesn't want to get couped grounds. google USAID Cuba CIA, you'll get a fun raft of reports on the subject, I'm particularly fond of the Guardian's. short form, you accept US aid, you are also accepting US spies, they've been caught doing this poo poo as recently as 2014 in Cuba. Given how many people flood across the border every single day, I really don't think it would be that hard for the CIA to just, you know, walk into the place.
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Giggle Goose posted:Yes because there isn't a near infinite constellation of other possible outcomes that also exist. Just these two things. If Maduro truly did care about his people and not just his power, he'd have a fair, open, and scrutinized election as soon as it could be put together. agreed. Also, if Guaido cared about his people, he wouldn't have made it crystal clear that he is operating as an extension of Washington DC in Caracas by waiting for Pence's blessing to try to launch his coup. unfortunately, these two power-hungry simpletons are our current options, and one of them has decided putting Uncle Elliot in his corner was a great strategic move for the future of Venezuelans. anybody got a third on hand?
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Feb 7, 2019 01:38
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Giggle Goose posted:Given how many people flood across the border every single day, I really don't think it would be that hard for the CIA to just, you know, walk into the place. turns out people let aid workers move around a lot more freely than they let random strangers move around. there was a fun case a few years back where they caught them impersonating Red Cross officials issuing vaccinations. as a result of which, there are segments of the world where "vaccines are part of an American plot to destroy your government" is not an insane conspiracy theory but a cold hard statement of fact. every international aid agency condemned this in the strongest possible terms, but, well. that in one hand, poo poo in the other, see which one weighs more. breathtakingly short sighted and evil, but hey! these guys aren't gonna depose themselves!
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:agreed. Also, if Guaido cared about his people, he wouldn't have made it crystal clear that he is operating as an extension of Washington DC in Caracas by waiting for Pence's blessing to try to launch his coup. So you have a tainted water supply for a city. You don't want to hire a new water inspector because he might be lovely too. Your solution is to keep pouring out poison water, because who knows how bad the new inspector might be?
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:turns out people let aid workers move around a lot more freely than they let random strangers move around. there was a fun case a few years back where they caught them impersonating Red Cross officials issuing vaccinations. as a result of which, there are segments of the world where "vaccines are part of an American plot to destroy your government" is not an insane conspiracy theory but a cold hard statement of fact. every international aid agency condemned this in the strongest possible terms, but, well. that in one hand, poo poo in the other, see which one weighs more. Umm. are you sure this wasn't the exact plot of "Spy Game" staring Brad Pitt? Are you doing a Frank Reynolds and Rambo thing here?
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Your house is on fire. Crassus shows up and offers to put the fire out, but only if you'll sell it to him for cheap.
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zapplez posted:Umm. are you sure this wasn't the exact plot of "Spy Game" staring Brad Pitt? oh, my canadian friend, you have NO idea how stupid America is when it comes to this poo poo. a Supreme Court Justice cited the FOX drama "24" in his arguments as to why torture should be legal, we elected a reality tv star on the grounds he promised he'd be as tough on America's problems as he was on people he thought were underperforming on his reality TV show, and we got caught doing exactly that in Pakistan. you will be shocked to hear that in the wake of this, polio has made a HUGE comeback in Pakistan. what are the odds, right?
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zapplez posted:So you have a tainted water supply for a city. You don't want to hire a new water inspector because he might be lovely too. Your solution is to keep pouring out poison water, because who knows how bad the new inspector might be? your prospective new inspector got caught bludgeoning children to death and tossing them in the water supply, zapplez both metaphorically and extremely literally. poisoning a well is so passe when you can make them dredge up a water-logged ruin that was once a human being to discover it's been poisoned after all.
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zapplez posted:Umm. are you sure this wasn't the exact plot of "Spy Game" staring Brad Pitt? This stuff wasn't even that long ago really: https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/08/04/another-usaid-cuba-spy-program-exposed https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/ The US is functionally, simultaneously exacerbating and causing more suffering while dangling 'help' that is painfully obvious bait, but serves both as a hot tag headlines and as a vector for more destabilization. But we can see from places like Yemen or even just right here over in Puerto Rico just how sincere the current US regime cares for people suffering. D.Ork Bimboolean fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:agreed. Also, if Guaido cared about his people, he wouldn't have made it crystal clear that he is operating as an extension of Washington DC in Caracas by waiting for Pence's blessing to try to launch his coup. This is an exceptionally stupid position because Guaidó didn't just speak to the US, he spoke to a number of other countries including Canada, which is why he was recognized so quickly by nearly every other regional power. almost as if he was working to ensure he had international and regional support and his efforts wouldn't fruitlessly amount to nothing in the face of an authoritarian dictatorship but no, the US is behind everything, it must be, the US is the only country that matters
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I really hate the paternalistic attitude from the tankies in this thread that the Venezuelans who post here can't be REAL venezuelans, because they arn't subsistence farmers who have never even heard of electricity. This is the 21st century. People have cell phones and poo poo.
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Presenting Nipples posted:Removing all sanctions is a start. The newly implemented US sanctions are going to have more people starve and the US behavior towards Venezuela, particularly in helping engender and advance the crisis, is a reason (there can be multiple) for the starvation. That seems pretty difficult to do with a leader who not only seems ineffective at his work, but is only interested in enriching himself and his cronies. You're just pouring more money directly into his pockets. And the people will still starve. The most ideal solution seems to be having Maduro peacefully step down and call new elections so the Venezuelan people can finally elect its own leader and get the nation back on track, hopefully with zero input from the U.S., et al. But good luck with that.
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If you're concerned about the US pulling its normal bullshit in Venezuela, it would seem the prudent thing to do would be to remove any pretext for them to go on a military adventure. Like getting the gangster military dictator thief to gently caress straight off, and then to hold free and fair elections. Do that and there's no risk of the US doing anything militarily; the fact that a corrupt gently caress like Maduro is in charge is the only thing that could possibly give them a "legitimate" reason to gently caress poo poo up hardcore.
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There's not going to be an overt military adventure of the US in Venezuela, even a moron like Trump knows better than to stick his dick in that beehive. That being said, this attitude of "you guys better do what we want or very bad things could happen to you" is arrogant as gently caress.
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