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Plutonis posted:Storyteller was one of the best options of its time and it's still a solid system today as long as you keep to its strong points This is kind of like saying "D&D is fine as long as you keep crawling dungeons"
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Halloween Jack posted:D20 GURPS Vampire: the Masquerade (20th Anniversary Edition)
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Feb 7, 2019 16:33
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Leperflesh posted:I'm sad I only have a 2nd edition copy without the cthulhu guys. But my copy I found at a garage sale and the original owner colored in a ton of the artwork with crayons, so it's still awesome. Alma Mater, I still have my copy that I got at GenCon three minutes before it was banned.
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Plutonis posted:Storyteller was one of the best options of its time and it's still a solid system today as long as you keep to its strong points
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Feb 7, 2019 16:33
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Storyteller was okay. Unisystem was okay. Silhouette was tolerable. LUG's ICON was less so. They were all just more-or-less okay. Anyway, I never could understand why Torg was such a metaplot-dense mess. There's nothing about it that requires that. The cosms and their High Lords are obviously video game stages for you to beat.
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Feb 7, 2019 16:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:This is kind of like saying "D&D is fine as long as you keep crawling dungeons" Well, yeah
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Halloween Jack posted:Storyteller was okay. Unisystem was okay. Silhouette was tolerable. LUG's ICON was less so. They were all just more-or-less okay. I do distinctly remember that they thought that Paranoia, of all games, would benefit from a metaplot. That was painful.
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Feb 7, 2019 16:36
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gradenko_2000 posted:This is kind of like saying "D&D is fine as long as you keep crawling dungeons" Well, which D&D, though? A lot of D&D seems barely adequate for dungeon crawling anymore (esp. at low level... and prob also at high levels... uhhh)
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dwarf74 posted:Alright so Arcana Evolved... I love and hate it. Also on the good side are the Unfettered (swashbuckling fighters), Warmains (heavy tank fighters), Champions (sort of like Paladins, but for a cause, not necessarily a religion), and Totem Warriors (animal aspected fighters). The Ritual Warrior is kind of boring though. Still and always on the bad side are Oathsworn. They just suck. The two 'full-casters' (Greenbonds and Magisters) are amazing, but even the 'half-casters' (Akashics, Mageblades, Runethanes, Witches) can do the braiding of spells like the fulls can, and can use feats (and AU gives out a lot of Bonus Class feats) to access the same kinds of high power spells. Species abilities are a thing so you can take levels in Giant or Verrik or Loresong Faen and get access to buffs. I've run multiple campaigns of it and I think it's great, but I also have the scarlet 'G' (for grognard) as my avatar so ehhhh?
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:If you're in a secure facility those computers are wildly secure. Cds / dvds only, i dont even think the computers have functional usbs. Yea, but SR4A screwed the pooch by saying that super duper cellphones are now the only personal computers and they are always wireless. So airgapping isn’t an option any more and no matter how secure the server, someone has the key to connect to it in their pocket. Then again “if all this new stuff is hackable why don’t they just not use it” is a classic problem in cyber, consumer tech might not prioritise security but corps sure as hell do. And PCs (ask about the group Sammy who carried a loving Filofax) hyphz fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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hyphz posted:Yea, but SR4A screwed the pooch by saying that super duper cellphones are now the only personal computers and they are always wireless. So airgapping isn’t an option any more and no matter how secure the server, someone has the key to connect to it in their pocket I remember the hacker sourcebook specifically talking about airgapping though
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SR4 made some good and interesting advancements, but people were really really confused about what you can and can't hack, and what you can and can't actually do after you hack something. Like, the classic problem was "So someone can hack my cyberarm and make me shoot myself in the face?"
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Antivehicular posted:I have a perverse love for GURPS WoD despite, or perhaps because, of how dumb the whole concept is. One day I'll play one of those drat things. As somebody that got into WoD because of GURPS Vampire... ... it's easily one of the worst GURPS books simply on the discipline conversion. 48 points to spend 10 fatigue (or 5 BP) to gain 2 extra attacks per turn for 6 hours? The others aren't much better.
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potatocubed posted:2d20 2 furious I bet you could totally adapt Modiphius' 2d20 system to a high-social-drama drive-cars & fights game. It's intended as a cinematic action-oriented system to start with.
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Halloween Jack posted:Like, the classic problem was "So someone can hack my cyberarm and make me shoot myself in the face?" That depends, do you have bluetooth enabled?
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Feb 7, 2019 17:41
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Leperflesh posted:I bet you could totally adapt Modiphius' 2d20 system to a high-social-drama drive-cars & fights game. It's intended as a cinematic action-oriented system to start with. Their new John Carter game is pretty fantastic.
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Pollyanna posted:d20d20 My Hat of D02 KNOW NO LIMIT D20
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JohnnyCanuck posted:My Hat of D02 KNOW NO LIMIT D20
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D20 Grontar: The Frutang
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On the topic of D20 era books, while the system itself is one I wouldn't probably run these days(not counting systems that are only mildly connected to it like Mutants & Masterminds or most older OSR systems), there definitely were quite a few setting ideas from that era that would be worth revisiting in better rules systems, Goodman Games had some good examples of that, would love to run a DragonMech or Dinosaur Planet: Broncosaurus Rex campaign some day
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Why would you want to play a game that's mostly Confederate apologism with terrible, boring mechanics that don't even do anything interesting with D20? For Christ's sake, buy the new Space 1889. It even has dinosaurs.
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There were some interesting ones like Dark Inheritance, Dragonmech, Spycraft 1.0, and Weird War II
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Halloween Jack posted:Why would you want to play a game that's mostly Confederate apologism with terrible, boring mechanics that don't even do anything interesting with D20? For Christ's sake, buy the new Space 1889. It even has dinosaurs. Well I did say I'd only be using the settings for the two games I mentioned not the mechanics, and with the one you're mentioning I'd be doing some heavy rewriting of the setting to get rid of the Confederate stuff(I'd probably be changing up a lot of things on the human side of the setting anyways) Also every time I've tried getting into Space 1889 I always bounce off it because they somehow make a really cool setting concept really boring in execution
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Imagine 4d20s on the edge of a cliff. The first skill check the GM calls for means you take the first 1d20 and roll it then take the result and leave it at the back of the line and the next d20 takes its old place...
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drrockso20 posted:Well I did say I'd only be using the settings for the two games I mentioned not the mechanics, and with the one you're mentioning I'd be doing some heavy rewriting of the setting to get rid of the Confederate stuff(I'd probably be changing up a lot of things on the human side of the setting anyways) There's more about confederates than there is about dinosaurs in that trash fire. If you cleaned up the politics you'd be left with nothing but dumb scifi. The setting is basically a Georgia eight times the size of Jupiter and the dinosaurs are made exactly intelligent enough to make it clear that the good guys are slavers again.
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drrockso20 posted:Well I did say I'd only be using the settings for the two games I mentioned not the mechanics, and with the one you're mentioning I'd be doing some heavy rewriting of the setting to get rid of the Confederate stuff(I'd probably be changing up a lot of things on the human side of the setting anyways) theironjef posted:There's more about confederates than there is about dinosaurs in that trash fire. If you cleaned up the politics you'd be left with nothing but dumb scifi. The setting is basically a Georgia eight times the size of Jupiter and the dinosaurs are made exactly intelligent enough to make it clear that the good guys are slavers again. I posted it in the FATAL & Friends thread, but Goodman Games tried to update the setting to DCC back in 2017, called Dinosaur Crawl Classics. But nothing came of it since. My personal suspicions are that the Charlottesville Rally shown to the wider public exactly the kinds of people who rally to that flag. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/223988/Goodman-Games-Gen-Con-2017-Program-Guide http://goodman-games.com/event/dinosaur-crawl-classics/ http://goodman-games.com/event/dinosaur-crawl-classics-2/ http://goodman-games.com/blog/2017/10/06/designers-diary-dinosaur-crawl-classics/
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hyphz posted:Yea, but SR4A screwed the pooch by saying that super duper cellphones are now the only personal computers and they are always wireless. So airgapping isn’t an option any more and no matter how secure the server, someone has the key to connect to it in their pocket. SR5 doubled down on the wireless too, making all consumer goods including military grade firearms and cyberware brick able by anyone with a deck, wirelessly.
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Libertad! posted:I posted it in the FATAL & Friends thread, but Goodman Games tried to update the setting to DCC back in 2017, called Dinosaur Crawl Classics. But nothing came of it since. My personal suspicions are that the Charlottesville Rally shown to the wider public exactly the kinds of people who rally to that flag. The amount of poo poo you'd have to strip out of that to make it defensible has to outweigh the value of using the brand. Like, the only people that would want that brand name already know what's in there, and if you take out all the casual Lost Cause poo poo and the turning of the Yankees to a ratlike machine-addled lumpenproletariat then the people that would actually want the game still would just be mad.
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Halloween Jack posted:Why would you want to play a game that's mostly Confederate apologism with terrible, boring mechanics that don't even do anything interesting with D20? For Christ's sake, buy the new Space 1889. It even has dinosaurs. Ive never heard of dinosaur planet. How do you shoehorn in the confederacy and where can I read about this trainwreck
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:Ive never heard of dinosaur planet. How do you shoehorn in the confederacy and where can I read about this trainwreck
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Halloween Jack posted:SR4 made some good and interesting advancements, but people were really really confused about what you can and can't hack, and what you can and can't actually do after you hack something. Or "if I hack their wireless reflexes, can I make them a puppet and/or just shut down their nervous system?" 5th edition is still a clunky mess, but at least they got that there needed to be an incentive to make risking hacking worthwhile. The early 4 flamewars often seemed to boil down to "why the gently caress would I ever turn this on?" with the response usually being "look at all the people in real life who are morons about security". Which, while true, isn't exactly a great argument when you play fictional shadow operatives in a world with dragons and magic.
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Broncosaurus Rex is staggeringly awful. Your PC heritage options are either The Absolute Protagonist Goodboy Southerners Who Love Nature And Are Good Peaceful People Who Liberate Slaves Because It's The Right Thing To Do, the Cowardly And Wretched Sinister Scheming Technocratic Northerners Who Have Strong Antisemitic Undertones, the Everyone Else Unaligned With North Or South From Earth Who Are Just Space Roma Now In Hive Ships and Vaguely Native American Complete Outsider Randos. You can take a feat that lets you Rebel Yell for attack bonuses if you're a Confederate and there's no analogue to the others. You can take a feat to Do Sex Awesomely if you're Confederate and nobody else can take this. Also the Confederates have occupied the dinoplanet and everyone else is playing catchup to get there so it's mostly just a game about exploring Space Georgia and oppressing the native life so you can skin them to make boots because they may be sapient but you want new boots.
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Uhhh a game about being a space hillbilly dinosaur hunter sounds pretty cool actually? E: Did this predate Starcraft's space hillbillies
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Plutonis posted:Uhhh a game about being a space hillbilly dinosaur hunter sounds pretty cool actually? Being able to be a space hillbilly dinosaur hunter would be a dramatic step up, because you could shoot at the southern revenuers and drink moonshine from your moon still.
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Redneck Revolt, but in space
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I'll admit I actually hadn't read through my copies of the Broncosaurus Rex books as anything beyond the most cursory glances in years, so I guess I had forgotten how baked into it the Confederate stuff was, I still think the core concept of Space Cowboys on a Planet of Dinosaurs(and other prehistoric critters) is a good one, but yeah it probably would be better to start mostly from scratch I guess I'll still stand by DragonMech and most of Goodman Games other products though
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Plutonis posted:Uhhh a game about being a space hillbilly dinosaur hunter sounds pretty cool actually? You're not playing hillbillies. You're playing plantation owners. Noble heroic men who set for a spell on rocking chairs and drink peach tea before saddling up to go murder natives and enslave intelligent dinosaurs, even though your lineage is descending from a South than ended slavery in like 1890 because "it was the right and noble thing to do." No mention, weirdly, of how the Confederate constitution forbid even discussing the outlawing of slavery. Don't forget that in addition to the good at sex feat, you could also take artifacts of the Confederacy for your starting magic gear. The blessed pistol of Nathan Bedford Forrest? Obviously. drrockso20 posted:I'll admit I actually hadn't read through my copies of the Broncosaurus Rex books as anything beyond the most cursory glances in years, so I guess I had forgotten how baked into it the Confederate stuff was, I still think the core concept of Space Cowboys on a Planet of Dinosaurs(and other prehistoric critters) is a good one, but yeah it probably would be better to start mostly from scratch I guess Honestly the worst part might have been the complete lack of cowboys. Like, you see that name and your first thought is "Oh sweet, it's gonna be a space showdown at the OK Stardock." But of course, it's not, because everyone is rich and genteel and they're all landowners already. No one is a cowboy.
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theironjef posted:You're not playing hillbillies. You're playing plantation owners. Noble heroic men who set for a spell on rocking chairs and drink peach tea before saddling up to go murder natives and enslave intelligent dinosaurs, even though your lineage is descending from a South than ended slavery in like 1890 because "it was the right and noble thing to do." No mention, weirdly, of how the Confederate constitution forbid even discussing the outlawing of slavery. Lol. Is there a magic white hood for wizards?
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