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Poulpe
Nov 11, 2006
Canadian Santa Extraordinaire

Captain Hygiene posted:

Basically yeah, I beat it, but it followed the same annoying sequence as every time games do this: I generally know what I need to do, but I start dying because I'm a little bit slow to get to the right cover, or I guess wrong about where to hide. Then I start dying because I know what to do but I'm so bored I get lazy about what I'm doing. And each of those requires time for reloading and waiting for the scripted sequence to play out, in the end it's maybe 30 minutes of getting angry to do something like 3 minutes of gameplay. It's aggravating because it happens in so many games, and I've never heard anyone praise them as anything stronger than "doable" so I don't know why it's such a common type of setpiece.

Yeah I completely get the complaint here. It's a stealth section without any of the gameplay information that makes stealth fun in games. You don't know what the fail condition is, you don't know where is safe and where isn't, you don't know what the actual goal of the section is, and it all feels railroaded together into what is essentially an extended cutscene.

In particular the moment where you use the key on the door the key is meant for in order to escape, and it doesn't work. Of course, the obvious answer that Sherry would naturally do is ignore the door to the outside and flee deeper into the building :rolleyes:

Mind you I think most of the above was done for horror's sake, as a lack of information is a good source of fear.

Also, going to tag on that the optics of a grown rear end man chasing a literal child down a hallway while screaming "loving BITCH" at her aren't.... great.

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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Poulpe posted:

Also, going to tag on that the optics of a grown rear end man chasing a literal child down a hallway while screaming "loving BITCH" at her aren't.... great.

Oh yeah, that was the other thing that bugged me, that whole sequence (and especially the fail cutscene) was gross in the weirdest tone-deaf way possible. I think that made the whole thing seem 10x worse in my mind than just the gameplay annoyance itself.

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

All Princesses are Tyrants

I've been playing Wind Waker Randomizer, a mod of Wind Waker where all of the important items are randomly placed in chests across the game. Thankfully, it has an algorithm that sanity checks the distribution so every run is winnable, and also comes with a lot of options to exclude certain chest types from holding progress-essential items so the deku leaf isn't in random sunken chest #38 or poo poo like that unless you absolutely want it to be. It's been a ton of fun to play, zipping between islands and getting that little hit of lottery-like tension everytime you open a chest, no matter how mundane it was in the original game. When you do get a new item it becomes a puzzle to figure out what areas, and thus chests, are now accessible. Even better is that you sometimes get late game items early in the run, making certain areas much easier.

What's dragging it, and Wind Waker itself, down is the Temple of the Gods. This was always the weak point of the game. The entire first floor is flooded and the water rises and falls on a timer, so you end up waiting around for the water level to change over and over again in every single room. This combined with the squirrelly swimming controls means it's easy to over shoot a platform you wanted to stand on when the water drains, or to run into one of the million electric chu chus strewn throughout the dungeon. Every time you hit a chu chu you get electrocuted and thrown across the room, possibly off the platform you just carefully positioned yourself onto or right into a bottomless pit.

The rest of the dungeon is fine, but the boss fight against Guldon can be total aggravation. You have to use the bow to hit both hands a seemingly random number of times to knock them out, then hit both eyes twice, then throw a bomb into the mouth, rinse repeat for two more phases. The problem is that you're never gonna loving hit anything in first person mode, and the third person auto-aim rarely targets the thing you want to hit, and even with a clear shot the bow only hits what you're targeting another half of the time AND if the target goes more than like 20 feet away from you it kicks you into first person. Also, the hands will knock you out of the arena onto an electrified floor, where you have to go through the "being electrocuted" animation 2-3 times before you get back up, and it's totally possible to get swatted or blown back off the moment you get back into the center. Finally, you're unlikely to enter the battle with more than 30 arrows, so Guldon sneezes out 10 more every time you run out, but also reset the phase. So then you have to launch right back into hitting both hands and both eyes multiple times with a finicky auto aim with only those 10 arrows.

It really saps the energy and fun from every run, and I find myself clearing every chest I can outside of the Tower, hoping that I rolled a run where it's skippable.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Poulpe posted:

Also, going to tag on that the optics of a grown rear end man chasing a literal child down a hallway while screaming "loving BITCH" at her aren't.... great.

Captain Hygiene posted:

Oh yeah, that was the other thing that bugged me, that whole sequence (and especially the fail cutscene) was gross in the weirdest tone-deaf way possible. I think that made the whole thing seem 10x worse in my mind than just the gameplay annoyance itself.

The rapist who you interrupt preparing to gut and stuff the mayor’s dead daughter who he hunted down and murdered for sport might not exactly be a good person, hth

noether
May 1, 2017

some kinda cutesy shoggoth
I've finally got around to playing nioh recently

the game owns and I'm hyped to see what the sequel ends up being like, but I really hate that they make it so drat hard to play as a girl. like you unlock the ability to play as other characters about 1/3 of the way through the game, and you buy them with multiplayer reward points... but the women all cost 10x more than any of the dudes, which is way more points than you could conceivably earn without grinding for days. I ended up using cheatengine in the end, but it's really frustrating that they put up that kind of barrier in the first place

also all the unlockable characters have fixed costumes, which like, I get why the devs would choose to do that, but fashion is easily the most important part of that kinda game :colbert:

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011

:frogsiren:

Poulpe posted:

Also, going to tag on that the optics of a grown rear end man chasing a literal child down a hallway while screaming "loving BITCH" at her aren't.... great.

I mean that's completely in character for Chief Irons, he's an utter lunatic who's going hog wild with murder and everything bad under the sun.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



I mean yeah, of course the insane human taxidermist is a bad guy. The Sherry scenes just seemed like they had a different (pretty non Resident Evil-y) kind of horror vibe in their implications, which I didn't feel like was really intended. But I could be wrong.

Poulpe
Nov 11, 2006
Canadian Santa Extraordinaire

Dewgy posted:

The rapist who you interrupt preparing to gut and stuff the mayor’s dead daughter who he hunted down and murdered for sport might not exactly be a good person, hth

Judge Tesla posted:

I mean that's completely in character for Chief Irons, he's an utter lunatic who's going hog wild with murder and everything bad under the sun.

Yeah, like, I get "villain bad" and everything, but it's just kind of lazy and flat and, in a larger social sense, gross. It's like I get a rapey teenager assaulting a girl kind of vibe from it? But she's a child? I can't quite put my finger on it. It just reads as distasteful.
Which I absolutely understand is a hot motherfuckin take within a game all about bodily dismemberment and gore but the feeling is there and I can't shake it. The first time I saw that scene I thought "wow they put an incel in Resident Evil"

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Captain Hygiene posted:

I mean yeah, of course the insane human taxidermist is a bad guy. The Sherry scenes just seemed like they had a different (pretty non Resident Evil-y) kind of horror vibe in their implications, which I didn't feel like was really intended. But I could be wrong.

Irons was actually kind of off like that even in the original game, but in a way that was pretty brilliant, though I can see that being a bit jarring if you didn't know it was there to begin with.

It was a real human twist on the horror, where you're dealing with all this crazy bio-warfare poo poo, and in the middle of it all is an insane power tripping murderous rear end in a top hat who was horrible even without the viral outbreak.

E: And yeah Irons being a real "wait what the gently caress!?" kind of feeling is I'm almost sure intentional. He's a different kind of scary than anything else in the rest of the game, and that's totally by design.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

EDF 4.1: why is the Fencer so slow

why are the giant shiny humanoid mechas so slow

please, Sandlot, I'm dying over here

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Dewgy posted:

Irons was actually kind of off like that even in the original game, but in a way that was pretty brilliant, though I can see that being a bit jarring if you didn't know it was there to begin with.

It was a real human twist on the horror, where you're dealing with all this crazy bio-warfare poo poo, and in the middle of it all is an insane power tripping murderous rear end in a top hat who was horrible even without the viral outbreak.

E: And yeah Irons being a real "wait what the gently caress!?" kind of feeling is I'm almost sure intentional. He's a different kind of scary than anything else in the rest of the game, and that's totally by design.

Irons is a better version of that Tim Robbins' character in War of the Worlds, who for some reason takes up the last act of the movie despite having nothing to do with the aliens.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Irons is a better version of that Tim Robbins' character in War of the Worlds, who for some reason takes up the last act of the movie despite having nothing to do with the aliens.

He's little speech is almost verbatim from the book, but it still comes out of left field and does not fit the Spielberg tone at all.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.
Chief Irons is a pedophile. It was somewhat subtle in the OG RE2, they might have toned it up more in the RE2make but apparently not enough.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Dying Light: Man do I ever regret getting the dodge ability. Lemme just side step my way off the loving ten story building every single loving time I wanna jump to the side

Poulpe posted:

Yeah, like, I get "villain bad" and everything, but it's just kind of lazy and flat and, in a larger social sense, gross. It's like I get a rapey teenager assaulting a girl kind of vibe from it? But she's a child? I can't quite put my finger on it. It just reads as distasteful.
Which I absolutely understand is a hot motherfuckin take within a game all about bodily dismemberment and gore but the feeling is there and I can't shake it. The first time I saw that scene I thought "wow they put an incel in Resident Evil"

literally what

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Samuringa posted:

Chief Irons is a pedophile. It was somewhat subtle in the OG RE2, they might have toned it up more in the RE2make but apparently not enough.

Well, I'll take back that part of my criticism if it was intentional, it seemed so out of left field for what I've seen of the series that it threw me off. But then it becomes a different thing dragging the game down, just stick to giving me over the top gross body horror in my RE games please.

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Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
chief irons is an accurate, startling rendition of a cop

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Is it a drag-down to say er can you gently caress off with these ridiculous game install sizes? I just bought Shadow of War via the cheap key on Fanatical / Bundlestars and it asked me for 112GB of free space. I try to install games on an SSD for the best performance and thats like a fifth of the whole drive.

I know games are all high-definition now but still surely there must be some optimisation available here.

Also I'm lucky enough to have fast enough unmetered internet that the download itself will only take an hour, but it'd be murder on slower / metered connections.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
Why, in a game called Apex Legends, where the character classes are called Legends and your goal is to become a legend of the Apex Games, does the game call you an Apex Champion when you win.

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The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

1stGear posted:

Why, in a game called Apex Legends, where the character classes are called Legends and your goal is to become a legend of the Apex Games, does the game call you an Apex Champion when you win.

I mean it sounds like you're already a legend by default so I guess champion>legend?

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


The Moon Monster posted:

I mean it sounds like you're already a legend by default so I guess champion>legend?

Anyone can win a game. It takes work to be a legend

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


NoneMoreNegative posted:

Is it a drag-down to say er can you gently caress off with these ridiculous game install sizes? I just bought Shadow of War via the cheap key on Fanatical / Bundlestars and it asked me for 112GB of free space. I try to install games on an SSD for the best performance and thats like a fifth of the whole drive.

I know games are all high-definition now but still surely there must be some optimisation available here.

Also I'm lucky enough to have fast enough unmetered internet that the download itself will only take an hour, but it'd be murder on slower / metered connections.

A lot of games are really bad about respecting any kind of bandwidth cap you might have.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

NoneMoreNegative posted:

Is it a drag-down to say er can you gently caress off with these ridiculous game install sizes? I just bought Shadow of War via the cheap key on Fanatical / Bundlestars and it asked me for 112GB of free space. I try to install games on an SSD for the best performance and thats like a fifth of the whole drive.

I know games are all high-definition now but still surely there must be some optimisation available here.

Also I'm lucky enough to have fast enough unmetered internet that the download itself will only take an hour, but it'd be murder on slower / metered connections.

If it makes you feel better the load times on Shadow of War aren't bad and there are very few loading screens. IIRC there's one to load the game and then only another one if you want to switch regions

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

Yeah, a week of downloading the game in the background while I do other stuff is totally worth very few loading screens

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Dewgy posted:

The rapist who you interrupt preparing to gut and stuff the mayor’s dead daughter who he hunted down and murdered for sport might not exactly be a good person, hth

It sounds like something... out of some kind of... horrible movie...!

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




I hope whoever designed 'Wacky Workbench' in Sonic CD went on to lead a life of misery and pain.

SkeletonHero
Sep 7, 2010

:dehumanize:
:killing:
:dehumanize:

StrixNebulosa posted:

EDF 4.1: why is the Fencer so slow

why are the giant shiny humanoid mechas so slow

please, Sandlot, I'm dying over here

I’m not able to easily link one right now, but look up a video tutorial on dash canceling.

Zoig
Oct 31, 2010

Actually its pretty easy to explain, if you do a shield parry after dashing your dash instantly resets. That's the shockwave you do by thrusting the shield forward. You can also dash cancel with the javelin launcher, you just shoot it while dashing a lot. You can parry/shoot while still sliding forward from the dash and you don't need to plant your feet before dashing again so it ends up making him the second fastest out of all the classes.

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Oct 30, 2009

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EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Maybe it was this thread where people were discussing super bosses? I remember one someone brought up about like a cthulu like post game boss in some RPG(?) that swtiched immunities etc. and had insane level and health and lots of other stuff. Can't remember what game and would like to. tia

I don't mind weapon degradation in Breath of the Wild for the most part. However the Shrines where you have to play stasis golf should have an unbreakable item that does not damage and can't be taken out of the shrine.

There are multiple dangerous conditions which can occur, for example freezing and burning, that can hurt Link but he can drink a potion or equip specialised gear to avoid or ameliorate these. However if it starts raining Link will slip and fall if he's climbing and there's no way to prevent this. If it occurs when you are climbing it can potentially kill you but more often you end up just having to wait until it stops raining so you can continue progress. Bizarre choice.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

People complaining about Irons feels like being shocked and appalled at actual horror showing up in their horror video games.

Pike yeah zombies and their goopy grossness are kinda scary, but having an actual horrifying situation and person showing up is a bridge too far and “in bad taste” or whatever. Zombie movies are always ultimately horrifying because of the people that aren’t the zombies, complaining about that seems to so utterly miss the goddamn point its baffling.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Bussamove posted:

People complaining about Irons feels like being shocked and appalled at actual horror showing up in their horror video games.

Pike yeah zombies and their goopy grossness are kinda scary, but having an actual horrifying situation and person showing up is a bridge too far and “in bad taste” or whatever. Zombie movies are always ultimately horrifying because of the people that aren’t the zombies, complaining about that seems to so utterly miss the goddamn point its baffling.

goons are known for being babies about different kinds of horror coming into what they were playing or watching. you'd think it would be a bit one note for them if it were the same thing the whole game instead

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

While Annette gets a touching moment with her daughter in Claire's campaign, it's easy to forget that she was in charge of a program that harvested orphans for science experiments and has to be shocked into being a human being for once. The helplessness of Sherry in her encounter with Irons is what every kid her mom and dad killed went through.

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe

Bussamove posted:

Zombie movies are always ultimately horrifying because of the people that aren’t the zombies,

Since we don't have a Rationally Irritating Movie Moments thread, I'd like to nominate this as something dragging down a decent amount of zombie movies, and games that try to ape that withered old chestnut.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Bussamove posted:

People complaining about Irons feels like being shocked and appalled at actual horror showing up in their horror video games.

Pike yeah zombies and their goopy grossness are kinda scary, but having an actual horrifying situation and person showing up is a bridge too far and “in bad taste” or whatever. Zombie movies are always ultimately horrifying because of the people that aren’t the zombies, complaining about that seems to so utterly miss the goddamn point its baffling.

Come on, Resident Evil mostly trades on various takes on spooky jump scares and goofily extreme body horror with people turning into gooey eyeball monsters and poo poo. I don't think it's that out there to be turned off by it suddenly turning into you playing a little kid repeatedly trying to flee from a child molester for twenty minutes. There's plenty of other media that has something to say about really dark themes like that, it just feels kinda offensive in how cheaply it's tossed into this style of game.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Captain Hygiene posted:

Come on, Resident Evil mostly trades on various takes on spooky jump scares and goofily extreme body horror with people turning into gooey eyeball monsters and poo poo. I don't think it's that out there to be turned off by it suddenly turning into you playing a little kid repeatedly trying to flee from a child molester for twenty minutes. There's plenty of other media that has something to say about really dark themes like that, it just feels kinda offensive in how cheaply it's tossed into this style of game.

It needs a sombre art movie with slow piano wrapped around it? If you recoil from it because it's horrifying then it's doing its job.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.

Captain Hygiene posted:

Come on, Resident Evil mostly trades on various takes on spooky jump scares and goofily extreme body horror with people turning into gooey eyeball monsters and poo poo. I don't think it's that out there to be turned off by it suddenly turning into you playing a little kid repeatedly trying to flee from a child molester for twenty minutes. There's plenty of other media that has something to say about really dark themes like that, it just feels kinda offensive in how cheaply it's tossed into this style of game.

Even though Irons was a creepy gently caress in the original game, too? Your point here is kind of silly and is proving the inclusion was effective, based on how much it's seeming to bother you.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Bussamove posted:

People complaining about Irons feels like being shocked and appalled at actual horror showing up in their horror video games.

Pike yeah zombies and their goopy grossness are kinda scary, but having an actual horrifying situation and person showing up is a bridge too far and “in bad taste” or whatever. Zombie movies are always ultimately horrifying because of the people that aren’t the zombies, complaining about that seems to so utterly miss the goddamn point its baffling.


spit on my clit posted:

goons are known for being babies about different kinds of horror coming into what they were playing or watching. you'd think it would be a bit one note for them if it were the same thing the whole game instead

Man, I hate when people come into the complain about videogames thread and then complain about videogames. That sure gets me dander up!

KH3 has no good music throughout it. The one good piece is the intro one before you hit start and absolutely nothing is memorable afterward.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Leavemywife posted:

Even though Irons was a creepy gently caress in the original game, too? Your point here is kind of silly and is proving the inclusion was effective, based on how much it's seeming to bother you.

That's somewhat true, I didn't get that far in the original so I'm judging it based on what I've played of the series from RE4-7. I guess what I'm complaining about is that it feels gross, but not in a way that really fits with how I think of the games, and in a way that doesn't really feel earned for that serious of a topic. But I'll shut up about it now, I know I'm not the only one with an opinion and I've helped drag out the one topic for too long.

Zoig
Oct 31, 2010

RareAcumen posted:

Man, I hate when people come into the complain about videogames thread and then complain about videogames. That sure gets me dander up!

KH3 has no good music throughout it. The one good piece is the intro one before you hit start and absolutely nothing is memorable afterward.

I disagree, I felt several of the new boss themes were pretty good, and at least 3 of the world battle themes were good. Also there were a lot of good remixes of old songs, but I don't think that would count as new good music. You are entitled to your opinion though and i do feel a lot of the music in it was a bit sub par (san fransokyo, geez).

I have my own thing dragging it down, and that's that there is no Colosseum, and you feel it really badly in 3 since its pretty short feeling.

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Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 30 hours!

Zoig posted:

I have my own thing dragging it down, and that's that there is no Colosseum, and you feel it really badly in 3 since its pretty short feeling.

...wait, they brought in Olympus, and then didn't have a coliseum in it? Why would you even bother with Olympus in that case?

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