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Anybody else just realised that Tim Wilson is named after two characters from Home Improvement?
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i guess you could say the greens are pretty 'handsy'
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Feb 9, 2019 02:34
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i mean they've got a hand on it
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Feb 9, 2019 02:35
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Thanks dudes. Not a pleasant time but also not something unforeseen over the last ten years really.
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Feb 9, 2019 02:38
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Grouchio posted:1. Would Australia be able to physically support its population if it doubled to 50 million? Yes Good and Dire
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Feb 9, 2019 02:41
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hambeet posted:i mean they've got a hand on it Please don't call women "it".
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Feb 9, 2019 02:42
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Sorry about your dad, JBP.Grouchio posted:1. Would Australia be able to physically support its population if it doubled to 50 million? 1. Yes - but that comes with a caveat that Australia has a number of problems with its farming supply chain that requires sufficient investment or nationalisation of its farming industry, imo. 2. Labor, good, The Greens, bad. They've been splitting pretty hard these last 6 months, with high profile arguments occurring in a media environment that explicitly loathes them and wants them to split. A number of senior greens have left the party recently and the party is losing membership as a result of people playing petty politics
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Feb 9, 2019 02:46
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Labor do look completely home which is why I am eagerly awaiting a well timed tug boat full of refugees rocking up near Katherine
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Feb 9, 2019 02:50
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hiddenmovement posted:Labor do look completely home which is why I am eagerly awaiting a well timed tug boat full of refugees rocking up near Katherine I thought the libs stopped the boats
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Feb 9, 2019 02:51
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Alan Jones was personally told by a people-smuggler that they are watching Labor gain in the polls and rubbing their hands gleefully
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Feb 9, 2019 03:04
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Grouchio posted:Why are Aussie boomers such dickheads, according to this thread? Traditional inter generational friction - it is not unique to the baby boomers and the same regard for Millennials is coming up from the following generation - hate from the following generation for being generally better off (at that point in time) and for having views the are a product of millennial formative years and not the following generation and thus well out of date and conservative). With regards to free education - that is only really a proportion of baby boomers? My old man was born in '47 and joined the navy at 15 - 16 and the guys he went to school with were predominately children of Eastern European immigrants - there was no chance any of them were going to university.
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Feb 9, 2019 03:05
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What if they let one through just to stir up the issue?
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Feb 9, 2019 03:05
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tithin posted:They've been splitting pretty hard these last 6 months, with high profile arguments occurring in a media environment that explicitly loathes them and wants them to split. A number of senior greens have left the party recently and the party is losing membership as a result of people playing petty politics
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Feb 9, 2019 03:06
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Traditional inter generational friction - it is not unique to the baby boomers and the same regard for Millennials is coming up from the following generation - hate from the following generation for being generally better off (at that point in time) and for having views the are a product of millennial formative years and not the following generation and thus well out of date and conservative). My dad went surfing on the dole for years and got paid full time wage as an on call labour hire electrician (think the raft of people that they flat out sacked at CUB recently). His apprenticeship was free and heavily supported. Dad was an idiot, but my mum fought the bank man to buy a house and paid for it in four years (in Prahran). Dad went back to school to study business, it was free. Doesn't matter if it was "a proportion", it was free and it wasn't a near necessity like it is now. Utilities were price regulated. To his credit he looked at the world for young people today and laughed at what a poo poo time we are in for. Piss more garbage is what I'm saying. E: this is also a fun conversation to have with my partner's fully pensioned parents that retired at 55
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Feb 9, 2019 03:17
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Grouchio posted:1. Would Australia be able to physically support its population if it doubled to 50 million? 1. Maybe, water supplies for domestic consumption could be an issue but our agricultural output is more than enough to support a lot more people. 2. Good, and meh to poo poo depending on how much rank and file greens voters are paying attention to the internal problems in the party
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Feb 9, 2019 03:24
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Traditional inter generational friction - it is not unique to the baby boomers and the same regard for Millennials is coming up from the following generation - hate from the following generation for being generally better off (at that point in time) and for having views the are a product of millennial formative years and not the following generation and thus well out of date and conservative). Worth noting that it's not that Boomers are better off than younger generations which is causing the anger, it's the removal of systems which would allow us to catch up to where they are. Millenials are likely to be the first generation since the start of the industrial revolution who spend their entire lives relatively less well off than their parents, without even the excuse of war or plague (though there's still time for that, too). Maybe slightly alarmist, but the inability of society to continue the general upwards trend of well being is probably a bad sign for the global economy in the long and maybe even medium term. Capitalism doesn't work if it can't keep growing, and we may well hit limits to growth soon unless we can magically decouple it from nonrenewable resources.
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Feb 9, 2019 03:49
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Turks posted:Maybe slightly alarmist, but the inability of society to continue the general upwards trend of well being is probably a bad sign for the global economy in the long and maybe even medium term. They're the conditions that foment war and they're mixing into an ever heating political divide.
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Feb 9, 2019 03:54
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JBP posted:I thought the libs stopped the boats It's like good economic management. It's only possible when Libs are in power.
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Feb 9, 2019 03:57
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gay picnic defence posted:1. Maybe, water supplies for domestic consumption could be an issue but our agricultural output is more than enough to support a lot more people. Greens by polls are more politically tuned in than the average and it's not hard to see the parliamentary party speeches and the various dossiers to the media. Everyone knows.
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Feb 9, 2019 04:13
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gay picnic defence posted:1. Maybe, water supplies for domestic consumption could be an issue but our agricultural output is more than enough to support a lot more people. With regards to 1: there's a lot of stuff we don't do currently that could drastically reduce our demand on water, particularly stuff like recycling. It's not really done as much because it costs more money than draining aquifers. I mean, I think Victoria has a 25% recycling rate, but that's still a lot of waste water that's not being utilised.
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Feb 9, 2019 04:19
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It still befuddles me that Northern Territory isn't even as populated as East Timor.
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Feb 9, 2019 04:36
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JBP I’m sorry to hear about your dad. I hope you’re okay. If you want to cry and hug it out I’ll buy you coffee and brunch sometime. Then we can start mainlining Bundy & Rums around lunch time before dealing with our feelings in true blue aussie man fashion and having a big dust-up.
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Feb 9, 2019 04:37
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Ad from PUP that can literally be summed up as: commie companies built a port and airstrip in WA, fighter planes also use airstrips, commies could fly in planes off carriers and take over WA's natural resources, vote PUP.
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Feb 9, 2019 04:57
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Nationalise housing. Mostly for a lot of other reasons, but right now because holy gently caress I forget every time how insane getting a house is in this country.
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Feb 9, 2019 05:06
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Knobb Manwich posted:Ad from PUP that can literally be summed up as: i welcome our new commie overlords
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Feb 9, 2019 05:19
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I'm volunteering at the by election in Enfield and 2 of the 3 Independents are actually just members of the Liberal party. Their HTVs prefetence Liberals 2nd and their coreflutes were even printed at the same place as the Liberals were. Party of corruption at all levels. Even the Liberal candidate is a "Liberal independent" whatever the gently caress that is. No logo on her coreflute, but she's just a Liberal party member.
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Feb 9, 2019 05:32
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hambeet posted:i mean they've got a hand on it
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AgentF posted:I'm volunteering at the by election in Enfield and 2 of the 3 Independents are actually just members of the Liberal party. Their HTVs prefetence Liberals 2nd and their coreflutes were even printed at the same place as the Liberals were. Party of corruption at all levels. Even the Liberal candidate is a "Liberal independent" whatever the gently caress that is. No logo on her coreflute, but she's just a Liberal party member. Yeah this happened in my electorate at the state level. Candidate ran as an independent that was just a preference harvester for the Libs, corflutes put up by the Libs, HTVs handed out by Libs. It’s some bullshit.
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Feb 9, 2019 05:55
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AgentF posted:I'm volunteering at the by election in Enfield and 2 of the 3 Independents are actually just members of the Liberal party. Their HTVs prefetence Liberals 2nd and their coreflutes were even printed at the same place as the Liberals were. Party of corruption at all levels. Even the Liberal candidate is a "Liberal independent" whatever the gently caress that is. No logo on her coreflute, but she's just a Liberal party member.
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Feb 9, 2019 06:04
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An old favourite past time was finding the harvest parties for the LibDems
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Feb 9, 2019 06:08
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My hot take: Green implosion is a facet of the wider crisis in neo-liberalism.
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Feb 9, 2019 06:34
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:My hot take: Green implosion is a facet of the wider crisis in neo-liberalism. Could well be. This might have started back when Di Natale came out essentially saying The Greens are Capitalist. I'm not sure how much this is his real feelings and how much it is him trying to move The Greens away from the "watermelon" stereotype, but I suspect mostly the former.
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Feb 9, 2019 06:40
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Grouchio posted:1. Would Australia be able to physically support its population if it doubled to 50 million? 1 is a maybe from me. Alot of our cities were designed with a small population in mind and undoing poo poo zoning and narrow roads is an expensive endeavour. The Gold Coast is a prime example of a city with a booming population and poo poo zoning and narrow roads and the traffic there is awful because thry built a gently caress load of high rise apartments and no roads to support the population so 3 hour traffic jams are a common place. Ideally the government could encourage a population boom in secondary towns like Townsville or Rockhampton or Logan but the jobs market in these places is dire due to the jobs market being centralised to capital cities but the population is decentralised to surrounding suburbs causing a population bleed into the cities which fucks up the towns even harder. Most immigrants will obviously choose capital cities which once again suffer from small country town zoning mindsets and I kind of doubt any government is brave enough to bulldoze and rebuild entire sections of the major cities so the lazy solution would be hard tax breaks for doing business in the smaller towns but who knows if such a policy can overcome the reputations of Sydney and Melbourne as job centres. 2 is basically Labor have this in the bag and the Liberal Party has no money to stop the long March to victory nor do thry have justification for their existence in government. Likewise when Labor is even slightly progressive the Greens try to position themselves further left by exploring under-represented policy positions however this often causes them to get lost in the wilderness and when they emerge or if they emerge with a solution to such policy sectors it will get partially adopted by Labor anyway so the Greens tend to do the footwork for future Labor governments which disadvantages them to appear like minor party self destructing barbarians who will never win government at a federal level.
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Feb 9, 2019 06:58
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Turks posted:Could well be. This might have started back when Di Natale came out essentially saying The Greens are Capitalist. I'm not sure how much this is his real feelings and how much it is him trying to move The Greens away from the "watermelon" stereotype, but I suspect mostly the former. I'm fairly sure it was that they were against free market capitalist exploitation but advocate for fair market capitalism and democratic socialism as opposed to full tanks now.
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Feb 9, 2019 07:00
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If the Greens vote drops by only a little bit (like it did in the Victorian upper house) they'll keep all or almost all of their Senate seats. They've got a Senator up for re-election in each state (Faruqi (NSW), Rice (Victoria), Waters (Qld), Steele-John (WA), Hanson-Young (SA), McKim (Tas)), which means they can only really go backwards. SA is hard to predict because of Xenophon remnants, in Victoria the Greens have internal party issues, and in Tas the "left" have 4 Senators to defend (3 Labor 1 Green) which means the Greens are potentially vulernable. But none of those are write-offs. NSW is a weird case. The 6 current senators are from 6 different parties: one each from LibDem, UAP, Liberal, National, Labor and Greens. It's hard to see this remaining the case after the election and Faruqi could actually hold on but it'll depend on how a lot of other parties perform.
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Feb 9, 2019 07:15
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Traditional inter generational friction - it is not unique to the baby boomers and the same regard for Millennials is coming up from the following generation - hate from the following generation for being generally better off (at that point in time) and for having views the are a product of millennial formative years and not the following generation and thus well out of date and conservative). Could you maybe expand upon this, it's pretty unclear to me what you mean. I'm not a typical example of the X'er cohort so it seems a bit weird to me that an X'er would be madder at Millenials than Boomers. I get a sick feeling about what faces Millenials because the problems are so big and systemic and if my cohort is getting in the way then they need to be steamrolled down. Grouchio posted:1. Would Australia be able to physically support its population if it doubled to 50 million? 1. It's doable but not without a lot of change and pain. If any city planners could chime in, they can lay out just how awful the system we have now is. We have a completely unworkable city structure that depends on private cars and barely supports heavy transport and fairly deliberately disadvantages public transport. Just factoring change of that alone is a monumental issue and honestly no one wants to think about it. Insert your favourite joke about second airports here. This is all before you even consider whether we can sustain that population. 2. I'm going to be the true meaning of the word conservative and predict a narrow win with a greater share of crossbenchers in both Houses for the ALP. I expect a number of those crossbenchers will be "former" Liberal party members and be much more beholden to their industry lobbyists/sponsors than they were in the official party. That party may well split but it's anyone's guess how that will pan out. If you paid attention to that little talk between Benson and Abbott you realize that they're not simply arrogant for doing it in public but also desperately dependent upon each other. I don't know how long that can last, they seem like the most stupid rats on a sinking ship.
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Feb 9, 2019 07:24
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https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5893553/royal-commission-finds-barnaby-joyce-ignored-the-law/quote:Royal commission finds Barnaby Joyce ‘ignored the law’
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Feb 9, 2019 07:51
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SA is a weird case because the DD in 2016 wiped one out a Greens senator that could very well be returned. The vote is high enough to get 1 senator each half-senate election with preference flows, but not enough to secure 2 at a full election. We could very well see Hanson-Young returned at the next election and then a second Greens senator at the election after that, increasing the Greens crossbench.
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Feb 9, 2019 07:52
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Re. elections, the NSW election was polled at 50/50 two party preferred? The Liberal government's stuffed up the Sydney light rail, plans to spend money on replacing brand-new stadiums, sabotaged the Basin plan and made invasive horses a protected species. Labor is running on funding hospitals and fixing up TAFE I think but they just changed leaders because the last one was a sex pest and successfully opposed the Liberal party from preventing greyhound torture in 2016
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My first car was a stick
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ewe2 posted:
Not an urban planner, but I've been following the saga of increasing density in some of Perth's wealthiest suburbs with interest. Existing residents are complaining increasing density = more cars, but they also refuse to do anything that reduces their neighbourhoods reliance on cars. They freaked the gently caress out about modifications to a main road to allow for a bike path because it might slow the flow of traffic, all the while ignoring the only reason they use that road is to pick their child up from one of the expensive private schools on that strip. The path means their child could possible walk or cycle (or - *gasp* - their little darlings could take one of the many buses already going down the road and alleviate congestion). Meanwhile, builders are under pressure to provide at least one parking space to all new apartments, which just encourages driving and car ownership, and leaves less space for people to actually live. There's loads of people who live right next door to bus and train stations who keep cars they don't use for weeks at a time because there's no real disincentive beyond the ongoing cost of car ownership. In one case that springs to mind (that I go past every day), their apartments literally front onto a bike path and yet there's nowhere nearby for visitors to lock up a bike - there's only car parking. Also, none of the infill apartment developments are that well designed for anyone who isn't a DINK or retiree. If you dare to have more than one or two kids or Nonna has moved in, there's very little suitable housing available. Public parks that are close and accessible to apartment dwellers? Forget about it. So either you're stuck paying a fortune for a single family house close to jobs and services, or buying a cheaper house on the fringes and losing months of your life to a longer commute. I don't think locals should be trampled over by developers, but society doesn't benefit from groups of wealthy, time-rich, adequately-housed people lobbying for local government prioritise their personal amenity over larger gains like doctors and nurses actually being able to afford living near the hospital's they work in. I'd argue it's a form of climate denial. I don't think there can be any reconciliation of accepting climate science, yet refusing to do anything about the emissions caused by low density land use. I mean, I live in a suburb with one of the highest overall densities in Perth and yet it's still mostly single-storey housing and battleaxe blocks as far as the eye can see. We can do better, people need to start demanding better of locals, developers and councils.
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