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VikingofRock posted:What's this thread's opinion on employee-owned companies, like New Belgium Brewing? I don't really know how employee ownership affects workers compared to being unionized. My opinion is that they're extremely good. Co-ops like New Belgium are like if the union owned the business and did the hiring and firing of management. But some businesses advertise themselves as employee-owned even when employees only own a minority of stock.
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my understanding is that the microbreweries are like any other small business where the management ranges from fine to petty tyrants who are insulted that they are expected to pay their workers i hear that rogue brewing is run by an insane libertarian rear end in a top hat
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Shear Modulus posted:my understanding is that the microbreweries are like any other small business where the management ranges from fine to petty tyrants who are insulted that they are expected to pay their workers someone needs to post that rogue job posting from a while back
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I wonder what poor soul ended up eating that turd job.
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Christ, what an rear end in a top hat
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Instant Sunrise posted:just spitballing here but i’m pretty sure that people would have an easier go about getting a job and getting off of substances if they had a roof over their heads and a stable place to live.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Sure, but since no one is talking about moving the homeless into single family row houses, but rather some sort of group living or apartment arrangement, the question becomes weeding out those tenants who are detrimental to other residents' attempts to get sane and sober. The last person I knew who became homeless got there because they were kicked out of their residence for repeatedly engaging in screaming domestics with the mother of their child, threatening & being physically aggressive with other tenants, and putting out cigarettes on the walls. No one wants to live with that person. Again under socialism, you will get the mental health care you so clearly need.
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The complete phrase is "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" and with a job posting like that you'll surely get none better
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Nah, actually I'm down to talk about getting the homeless into non-shared housing where they can shoot up or get drunk or gently caress or do whatever in a safe place off the street.
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FCKGW posted:The complete phrase is "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" and with a job posting like that you'll surely get none better Yeah, 11 pubs, at least one office, on call 24/7, and less than 50k? Holy poo poo. I get paid much more than that, with benefits, for less than half the work. I'm not in IT, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that low pay managing even one location, much less 12+
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Dead Reckoning posted:Sure, but since no one is talking about moving the homeless into single family row houses, but rather some sort of group living or apartment arrangement, the question becomes weeding out those tenants who are detrimental to other residents' attempts to get sane and sober. The last person I knew who became homeless got there because they were kicked out of their residence for repeatedly engaging in screaming domestics with the mother of their child, threatening & being physically aggressive with other tenants, and putting out cigarettes on the walls. No one wants to live with that person. All this horseshit does is make it harder for "good tenants" to get indoors. The others need psychiatric help, discussions about weeding out problem tenants miss the point Pomp fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Feb 8, 2019 |
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Sydin posted:Are craft breweries known to be loving over labor? The BLS study linked above didn't differentiate between brewery size for wage depression, and I'm torn on what's more likely: that the big mega-breweries are loving labor because they know they're big enough to get away with it, that craft breweries have a startup mindset of "work 80 hours without pay for us, trust me it'll all pay off when we get bought out by AB-Inbev! And hey, free beer in the meantime!", or both. Anchor was bought out by Sapporo, guess how they're squeezing the employees ? Actually, don't guess, there are details in the linked articles above. I was out around 24th and Mission last night too ! I was amazed at the support we got from restaurant/bar/grocery managers. "Pro-labor sign in our window ? How about over there?" I swear we could have walked in, said we were putting them up, and gotten a thumbs up. Even got a draught Anchor Steam at one place for our troubles.
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I was also out at 24th and Mission last night. Every single place we went to with a window sign said yes, it was super cool.
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Man we must have been loving it up in our turf, a couple of places said they needed to ask their absent manager.
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Trabisnikof posted:Nah, actually I'm down to talk about getting the homeless into non-shared housing where they can shoot up or get drunk or gently caress or do whatever in a safe place off the street. Pomp posted:All this horseshit does is make it harder for "good tenants" to get indoors. The others need psychiatric help, discussions about weeding out problem tenants miss the point.
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Dead Reckoning posted:The reality is, that isn't going to happen. Because, among other reasons, if you started giving free single family homes to drug addicts in SF and LA, a lot more people would suddenly start trying meth.  People choose not to get addicted to hard drugs... because they're worried about not having adequate housing. Yeah, that makes sense.
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That is a depressingly revealing post. Get help, DR.
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Dead Reckoning posted:The reality is, that isn't going to happen. Because, among other reasons, if you started giving free single family homes to drug addicts in SF and LA, a lot more people would suddenly start trying meth. oh look DR has a post in cspam's gun thread in 2019
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The average rent in San Francisco is $3710 per month. People were paying $1,800 for shared rooms with bunk beds in 2015. Lol if you think you can start giving away non-shared housing, for indefinite tenancy, where getting high, screaming, noisy sex, overnight guests, other antisocial behavior aren't violations of the lease, without creating perverse incentives. Do you think tax payers are going to go for that? What neighborhood will this be in? Or is the plan to ship all the homeless to the central valley?
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Dead Reckoning posted:The average rent in San Francisco is $3710 per month. People were paying $1,800 for shared rooms with bunk beds in 2015. Lol if you think you can start giving away non-shared housing, for indefinite tenancy, where getting high, screaming, noisy sex, overnight guests, other antisocial behavior aren't violations of the lease, without creating perverse incentives. Do you think tax payers are going to go for that? What neighborhood will this be in? Or is the plan to ship all the homeless to the central valley? agreed op, we should just kill em all and let god sort em out
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Do stuff, but be reasonable in your expectations about what you can achieve. Free non-shared housing for the homeless isn't feasible in any west coast major metropolitan area, so plans should address how to make group housing work effectively.
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San Francisco has put 26,000 homeless people into supportive housing in the past few years. It spends over $300 million per year on homeless services and supportive housing,* and it's not even holding back the tide. The problem is too big to be fixed on a city-by-city basis, and San Francisco is too drat expensive for anyone to make the jump out of homelessness once they find themselves there. I don't know what to do other than magically build about half a million units of housing overnight. The fact that I don't know what to do isn't suprising, because neither do SF politicians, and neither do homeless advocates like Jennifer Freidenbach and Randy Shaw. There is no magic solution in this real world situation other than m,aybe a massive earthquake that gets all the rich people to move away (destroying the tax base in the process, but at least there would be vacant homes). *(yes, the exact accuracy of those numbers are sometimes disputed, but there is no doubt that the numbers are really big for a city of 800,000)
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Once again my Sky High Housing initiative becomes the clear solution to multiple problems while creating none. In the sky, you're already high so we don't mind if you're head is already in the clouds. Up here, we're all high, all the time. Visit us today by scrambling up our patented Safety Lift, comprised of upcycled sea wood and possibly new rope. If you can make the climb, you'll be living on Cloud 9.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:https://medium.com/@rmehlinger/cupertino-mayor-build-the-wall-cb34fb3cc9fa is that a loving conquistador helmet as the centerpiece of their city logo?!
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dont be mean to me posted:is that a loving conquistador helmet as the centerpiece of their city logo?! With California history being what it is you're gonna get some of that, sadly.
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We'll work you to death doing 5 jobs but don't expect 50k. PNW!
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I'm pretty sure that Los Angeles could have short-circuited that lawsuit they faced a decade or so ago about the crosses on the county seal if they had just changed the heraldic meaning from straight Christianity to "this city is named after a Spanish religious mission and the crosses represent that part of our history".
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There are some... interesting tradcath organizations in and around LA even now.
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Hey since we're talking about public housing again, please, watch this video if you haven't already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqJbE1bvdgo
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predicto posted:San Francisco has put 26,000 homeless people into supportive housing in the past few years. It spends over $300 million per year on homeless services and supportive housing,* and it's not even holding back the tide. The problem is too big to be fixed on a city-by-city basis, and San Francisco is too drat expensive for anyone to make the jump out of homelessness once they find themselves there. I don't know what to do other than magically build about half a million units of housing overnight. The fact that I don't know what to do isn't suprising, because neither do SF politicians, and neither do homeless advocates like Jennifer Freidenbach and Randy Shaw. There is no magic solution in this real world situation other than m,aybe a massive earthquake that gets all the rich people to move away (destroying the tax base in the process, but at least there would be vacant homes). The city could save $$$ by providing housing for them as this example indicates. Giving housing to the homeless is three times cheaper than leaving them on the streets https://www.vox.com/2014/5/30/5764096/its-three-times-cheaper-to-give-housing-to-the-homeless-than-to-keep The most recent report along these lines was a May Central Florida Commission on Homelessness study indicating that the region spends $31,000 a year per homeless person on "the salaries of law-enforcement officers to arrest and transport homeless individuals — largely for nonviolent offenses such as trespassing, public intoxication or sleeping in parks — as well as the cost of jail stays, emergency-room visits and hospitalization for medical and psychiatric issues." By contrast, getting each homeless person a house and a caseworker to supervise their needs would cost about $10,000 per person.
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havent read the article yet but lol https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1095043754556309504
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Dead Reckoning posted:The average rent in San Francisco is $3710 per month. FYI that's for market rate units it doesn't include rent controlled units (which make up the majority of SF's rental units), and it doesn't include public housing. When including those, SF's average rent was around $1700 in 2015...so probably still under $2000 now also Raskolnikov38 posted:i'd ship you to the loving moon
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VideoGameVet posted:The city could save $$$ by providing housing for them as this example indicates.
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Sorry, if you’re with it enough to want free housing you’re sane, but if you’re not willing to pretend you’re insane to get free housing you’re crazy enough to deserve it.
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VideoGameVet posted:The city could save $$$ by providing housing for them as this example indicates. I like that they were specific enough about their cost estimate of the current policy that you can immediately see how narrow and low it is.
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Trabisnikof posted:Sorry, if you’re with it enough to want free housing you’re sane, but if you’re not willing to pretend you’re insane to get free housing you’re crazy enough to deserve it. I think you meant to say: A concern for one's wellbeing in the face of homelessness was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be given a home. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to sleep on the streets. Orr would be crazy to voluntarily sleep on the streets and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane could not be given a home. If he voluntarily went unhomed, he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to be homeless, he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause and let out a respectful whistle.
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