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Feb 10, 2019 05:11
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Pick posted:that's because he is a very good actor. a lot of props go to a character that wasn't really written that well on a show that wasn't really written that well. ds9 is all strength of the cast imho. lol
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Feb 10, 2019 05:40
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Every single one of you (and me doubly so) has some dumb, obviously wrong opinion about some things, and my guess is a lot of them are related to Star Trek.
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Feb 10, 2019 06:23
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DS9’s writing is pretty superior to anything the franchise has done since, and in some ways I think it’s better written than TNG. But it also has some consistently poorly written elements (more than half the Ferengi episodes suck, secondary Bajoran characters are almost all the same boring white guy who will try to get in Kira’s pants, everything to do with the pah wraiths is an utter missed opportunity) and a handful of episodes that just poo poo all over themselves (Let He Who Is Without Sin for example).
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Feb 10, 2019 06:23
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ashpanash posted:Every single one of you (and me doubly so) has some dumb, obviously wrong opinion about some things, and my guess is a lot of them are related to Star Trek. Sure, that’s why I’ll always go to bat for generally indefensible garbage like The Royale or Enterprise. But claiming DS9 was a poorly written show? That’s just silly.
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Feb 10, 2019 06:29
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I like how the difference maker in Yesterday's Enterprise is that the Enterprise-C takes a little longer to blow up versus apparently blowing up immediately.
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Feb 10, 2019 06:40
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CPColin posted:I like how the difference maker in Yesterday's Enterprise is that the Enterprise-C takes a little longer to blow up versus apparently blowing up immediately. Hey, Klingons like a fight. What are ya gonna do?
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Feb 10, 2019 06:51
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You can take a moment to imagine that any particular character in deep space nine was instead played by Garrett Wang
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Feb 10, 2019 06:58
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Pick posted:You can take a moment to imagine that any particular character in deep space nine was instead played by Garrett Wang And by that same argument, not even Marc Alaimo could have saved a nothing character like Tom Paris or Chakotay. The strength of the writing has just as much bearing on the quality of a character (and, by extension, the show they’re on) as the strength of the casting. Just look at Worf. Good actor when given a chance, but Worf was a punchline on TNG because the writing usually failed him. He improved on DS9 because the writing was stronger.
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Feb 10, 2019 07:04
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Pick posted:You can take a moment to imagine that any particular character in deep space nine was instead played by Garrett Wang Like Avery Brooks would let that happen.
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Feb 10, 2019 07:04
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Marc Alaimo saved the script where he had approximately four minutes to cycle through flirtation, genuine heartbreak, and agonizingly prolonged butt trauma
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Feb 10, 2019 07:14
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Congrats Pick on finding the only opinion less popular than 'Avery Brooks is a bad actor.'
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Feb 10, 2019 07:27
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CPColin posted:I like how the difference maker in Yesterday's Enterprise is that the Enterprise-C takes a little longer to blow up versus apparently blowing up immediately. I figure in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline, the Romulans finish off the Klingon outpost, and since there's no wreckage of the Enterprise-C there's no record of her having fought in the Klingons' defense. Whereas in the correct timeline, maybe the Enterprise-C ties up the Romulans long enough that by the time they can start hitting the outpost again, Klingon reinforcements arrive to drive them off, and the Klingon outpost says "guys you won't fuckin' believe who showed up to fight the Romulans."
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Feb 10, 2019 07:54
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Big Mean Jerk posted:And by that same argument, not even Marc Alaimo could have saved a nothing character like Tom Paris or Chakotay. The strength of the writing has just as much bearing on the quality of a character (and, by extension, the show they’re on) as the strength of the casting. Yeah, Tom was only halfway distinctive because they made him "guy who likes fast things" (literally number 1 cliche for a pilot) and that gradually turned into a dumb obsession with old Earth cars and stuff. Harry never had even that much of a hook.
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Feb 10, 2019 08:09
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would have been a lot better if he'd been obsessed with slow things, like turtles
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Feb 10, 2019 08:23
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Grand Fromage posted:The Orville started good and Discovery is now also good. The Expanse also exists and is superb. I am satisfied with my television space science fictions here in the year AUC 2772. And Babylon 5 is on a streaming service. This may be the worst timeline, but it has its moments.
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Feb 10, 2019 10:09
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Roadie posted:Yeah, Tom was only halfway distinctive because they made him "guy who likes fast things" (literally number 1 cliche for a pilot) and that gradually turned into a dumb obsession with old Earth cars and stuff. Harry never had even that much of a hook. Make Paris a Kirk-obsessed starfleet criminal who is in love with what he considers the "lawless" era, super excited to go to the other side of the galaxy and gently caress a path back to Earth, only he winds up catching feelings and growing up so he arrives a Responsible Dad at the end of the show there's how you fix Tom Paris
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Feb 10, 2019 10:41
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Pick posted:would have been a lot better if he'd been obsessed with slow things, like turtles He did hang out with Harry.
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Feb 10, 2019 13:21
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Whalley posted:Make Paris a Kirk-obsessed starfleet criminal who is in love with what he considers the "lawless" era, super excited to go to the other side of the galaxy and gently caress a path back to Earth, only he winds up catching feelings and growing up so he arrives a Responsible Dad at the end of the show there's how you fix Tom Paris It was probably a little bit early to go full nostalgia kick, but if Voyager was made now instead of black and white classic sci-fi I imagine Paris would be having TOS style romps on the holodeck.
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Feb 10, 2019 14:09
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Roadie posted:Harry never had even that much of a hook. Of course he does. He’s a ginormous dingus. He plays the clarinet and shits his pants whenever a woman so much as thinks about looking at him. It’s not a good hook, but it’s a hook.
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Feb 10, 2019 14:36
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mllaneza posted:And Babylon 5 is on a streaming service. This may be the worst timeline, but it has its moments. It is?? Which one?
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Feb 10, 2019 15:46
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Senor Tron posted:It was probably a little bit early to go full nostalgia kick, but if Voyager was made now instead of black and white classic sci-fi I imagine Paris would be having TOS style romps on the holodeck. Voyager itself would have been a better show if they just went full TOS/Buck Rogers/50s pulpy camp. You could sometimes tell it wanted to, but I’m sure people on the writing staff kept holding out hope the show could take itself seriously.
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Feb 10, 2019 15:49
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Taear posted:It is?? Which one? Amazon Prime.
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Feb 10, 2019 16:06
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Epicurius posted:Amazon Prime. Must be US only
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Feb 10, 2019 16:56
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Just watched the TNG episode Lower Decks (S7E15). It's a pretty good episode; it does struggle with some pacing issues, but it is a really interesting look into how the chain of command works on the ship, and the lot of the junior officers. However, one thing that stood out as weird to me was how sad/introspective Worf was with the death of the ensign he supported. He should be happy for her; that has been established in previous episodes.
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Feb 10, 2019 18:31
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Feb 10, 2019 18:37
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Phylodox posted:Of course he does. He’s a ginormous dingus. He plays the clarinet and shits his pants whenever a woman so much as thinks about looking at him. It’s not a good hook, but it’s a hook. Hahaha, remember that Harry had a fiancee back home? The show sure as hell didn't.
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Feb 11, 2019 00:15
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MorgaineDax posted:Hahaha, remember that Harry had a fiancee back home? The show sure as hell didn't. Janeway did though
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Feb 11, 2019 00:29
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http://www.startrek.com/database_article/libby She was almost as memorable as Kim.
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Feb 11, 2019 00:48
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According to Memory Alpha she was basically not mentioned again after Season 2 so no wonder I forgot
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Feb 11, 2019 01:40
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And according to Memory Beta she's actually in Starfleet Intelligence and rejected Harry's marriage proposal like 3 times lmao
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Feb 11, 2019 01:48
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Cross-Section posted:And according to Memory Beta she's actually in Starfleet Intelligence and rejected Harry's marriage proposal like 3 times lmao
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Feb 11, 2019 01:59
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Harry: Hey Libby we found this tiny, microscopic wormhole. We can only put through tiny things and they come way in your past. Libby: Well, at least we can have sex like we used to. Harry: ...come on man.
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Feb 11, 2019 02:23
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Hah, the Voyager episode with faux-Boothby has the guy who played Billy in Gremlins!
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Feb 11, 2019 02:34
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While most of the Pah-Wraith stuff is bad (and the Prophets too aren't so hot really) am I wrong in thinking the episode where Keiko gets possessed is excellent? I remember feeling like it was really compellingly plotted and gave a real sense of urgency to O'Brien's actions.
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Feb 11, 2019 02:35
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It's super creepy to see an evil Keiko, it's great
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Feb 11, 2019 02:36
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:While most of the Pah-Wraith stuff is bad (and the Prophets too aren't so hot really) am I wrong in thinking the episode where Keiko gets possessed is excellent? I remember feeling like it was really compellingly plotted and gave a real sense of urgency to O'Brien's actions. The actress can really act when she's actually given something to do.
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Feb 11, 2019 02:36
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:While most of the Pah-Wraith stuff is bad (and the Prophets too aren't so hot really) am I wrong in thinking the episode where Keiko gets possessed is excellent? I remember feeling like it was really compellingly plotted and gave a real sense of urgency to O'Brien's actions. I mean, The Assignment is really good in my opinion, too. But then, I am a terminal Keiko apologist, and I don't hate the Prophet/Bajoran stuff as much as many around here, so...
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Feb 11, 2019 02:37
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Keiko is a huge missed opportunity since there WAS stuff she should have been doing. Maybe find the solution to the fungus thing in Empok Nor and then become friends with Garak and use it specifically to piss off Miles. I mean keiko and garak mutually scheming to make miles o'brien's life worse seems in character for, among other things, the star trek universe
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Feb 11, 2019 02:38
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“It’s pon farr night at the Vulcan nightclub.” I think I love this episode.
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Feb 11, 2019 02:53
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