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Spun Dog posted:To quote some rear end in a top hat: I'm a little hurt he apparently can't even get a chuckle out of the phrase "gently caress chamber". This may not be the right forum for him. For my penance, it's not politics, but have an OSHA thread crosspost: San Francisco utility workers digging a fiber line managed to light up a PG&E gas line, leave it turned on for a couple of hours, burn down a restaurant, displace 100 or so people and leave 3k without power. Even when it's not their fault, PG&E cannot catch a break. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Explosion-in-San-Francisco-causes-fire-injuries-13595313.php
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RI represent! https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1093226647329755136
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It blows me away that Trayvon Martin was older than me. Edit: to preemptively answer the question, he was apparently born in early February 95, and I was born late March 95. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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Lightning Knight posted:It blows me away that Trayvon Martin was older than me. I thought you had to be over 30 to post on these dead forums..... GUARDS!
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ummel posted:I thought you had to be over 40 to post on these dead forums..... GUARDS!
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Feb 7, 2019 15:48
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aw poo poo cheese it!
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Lightning Knight posted:It blows me away that Trayvon Martin was older than me. Nicking his parent's credit card to pay his  ; a shameful mod.
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Feb 7, 2019 18:47
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But, but! The rule limited people's access to credit!* Didn't we just have a financial depression caused by banks making loans to people who couldn't afford them leading to a collapse of the housing market? *that they couldn't actually afford to pay back.
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FoolyCharged posted:But, but! The rule limited people's access to credit!* I think that you'll find the poor banks were as much the victim as anyone. Brought low by the dastardly poor, squandering the bountiful gifts that finance offered them.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Nicking his parent's credit card to pay his Someone else actually bought my account as an early birthday gift.  But I’d been browsing the forums off and on since 2009. FoolyCharged posted:But, but! The rule limited people's access to credit!* This is a common talking point that obscures the way banks handle lines of credit and pushes the blame onto individual consumers who don’t have any deep knowledge of the system versus massive institutions with the ability to know that predatory lending is bad for a variety of reasons.
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Lightning Knight posted:Someone else actually bought my account as an early birthday gift. That was one of the defenses of the change in the article and I was mocking it  They were also quoted, “The Bureau is concerned that these provisions would reduce access to credit and competition in states that have determined that it is in their residents’ interests to be able to use such products, subject to state-law limitations,” But think of the poor states that want to protect loan sharks!
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FoolyCharged posted:That was one of the defenses of the change in the article and I was mocking it This is what I get for not reading the article.  Nathan Robinson writes criticism of education policy under Obama and how it affected public schools in places like Detroit.
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Feb 7, 2019 20:33
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FoolyCharged posted:But, but! The rule limited people's access to credit!* No the financial depression was because the banks rated those loans "totally guaranteed to be paid back" and fobbed them off to someone else. Who were likely to be doing the same poo poo, so now everyone is holding onto fraudulently overvalued garbage. If the banks didn't commit that fraud, all they would have been doing was adding assets of negative value to their books. Which they then probably wouldn't have done at all.
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Can you even call a Payday loan place a bank? A bank at least offers some financial security while payday loans just prey on the poor and desperate.
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Ornedan posted:No the financial depression was because the banks rated those loans "totally guaranteed to be paid back" and fobbed them off to someone else. Who were likely to be doing the same poo poo, so now everyone is holding onto fraudulently overvalued garbage. And if they couldn't pay them back? Who cares we can take the houses they bought which can ONLY EVER GO UP IN PRICE!
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I still want her to run. Mostly because a debate would end with her smacking the piss baby with her leg.
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Poll: Northam has majority African American support amid blackface scandal Guess it stands to reason that social media outrage isn't a good barometer of how people in the Virginia actually feel? (I don't really care either way whether Northam resigns, since I don't live in Virginia and have no stake in the matter, but it seems as though he has more support than you'd think based on the coverage.)
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Gnumonic posted:Poll: Northam has majority African American support amid blackface scandal IMO, this should pretty much settle the question right here. Black Virginians are the hurt party here, so it should be pretty much down to them to decide whether Northam ought to resign. If black Virginians want him to stay by a fairly wide margin, then he should stay and whites should stop demanding that he resign over the issue. In full disclosure I said earlier elsewhere on the internet that I thought he should resign when the story first broke, but I’m white and it’s not my place to decide.
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Sucrose posted:IMO, this should pretty much settle the question right here. Black Virginians are the hurt party here, so it should be pretty much down to them to decide whether Northam ought to resign. If black Virginians want him to stay by a fairly wide margin, then he should stay and whites should stop demanding that he resign over the issue. I've been avoiding any comment on it, too. I think it's a shameful thing all around, but I'm neither a minority nor a Virginian, so...
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Sucrose posted:IMO, this should pretty much settle the question right here. Black Virginians are the hurt party here, so it should be pretty much down to them to decide whether Northam ought to resign. If black Virginians want him to stay by a fairly wide margin, then he should stay and whites should stop demanding that he resign over the issue. 40% of black people wanting him out is a loving disaster going into an election year and he should resign for the good of the party even if 44% of black people are okay with him staying
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Sucrose posted:IMO, this should pretty much settle the question right here. Black Virginians are the hurt party here, so it should be pretty much down to them to decide whether Northam ought to resign. If black Virginians want him to stay by a fairly wide margin, then he should stay and whites should stop demanding that he resign over the issue. Uhm, even ignoring the dumbness of treating some random poll as an authoritative demonstration of what "Black Virginians" want (also leaving aside your assumption they're a monolithic voting block rather than being just as varied in their opinions as 'white Virginians') surely the incredibly negative things this incident says about Northam's integrity and honesty should cause anyone to question whether they would really want him in charge of anything. "I'm not even allowed to have an opinion on the governor being a blatant self serving liar because the thing he was lying about was racism and I'm not a minority" seems like an insanely reductive and poorly thought out version of identity politics.
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whether or not """black virginians""" are """fine""" with northam's past behavior is not actually the core of the issue the core of the issue is how he responded (which was bog-standard slimy white politician weaseling, if you missed it) and how much it showed him to be a poo poo dude who shouldn't be representing over 8 million people
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The problem is, the order of secession in Virginia looks like this: 1) Gov. Northam - Blackface - refusing to resign 2) LtGov. Fairfax - Sexual assault/MeToo - refusing to resign 3) AG Herring - Also blackface 4) Speaker of the House Kirk Cox - Republican
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Helsing posted:Uhm, even ignoring the dumbness of treating some random poll as an authoritative demonstration of what "Black Virginians" want (also leaving aside your assumption they're a monolithic voting block rather than being just as varied in their opinions as 'white Virginians') surely the incredibly negative things this incident says about Northam's integrity and honesty should cause anyone to question whether they would really want him in charge of anything. The point is that as a white person, I'm not allowed to decide how offensive or unforgivable a particular person dressing in blackface is. Or alternatively, I can have an opinion, but should defer to the positions of actual black people on the subject and not try and make decisions on behalf of them.
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Sucrose posted:The point is that as a white person, I'm not allowed to decide how offensive or unforgivable a particular person dressing in blackface is. Or alternatively, I can have an opinion, but should defer to the positions of actual black people on the subject and not try and make decisions on behalf of them. My dude you should not need a black person to confirm for you that blackface is very racist.
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Sucrose posted:The point is that as a white person, I'm not allowed to decide how offensive or unforgivable a particular person dressing in blackface is. Or alternatively, I can have an opinion, but should defer to the positions of actual black people on the subject and not try and make decisions on behalf of them. 
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Sucrose posted:The point is that as a white person, I'm not allowed to decide how offensive or unforgivable a particular person dressing in blackface is. Or alternatively, I can have an opinion, but should defer to the positions of actual black people on the subject and not try and make decisions on behalf of them. If you find it offensive its offensive, if you dont it's not. Nobody has any more right to tell you how you feel than you do to tell them how to feel. The dude dressed in blackface in the 80s when it was darn well known that blackface had an ugly legacy. His best case defense is that there wasn't any racism and he was just mind numbingly stupid. e: and let's be real here, when he said this: quote:It is no longer possible for Governor Northam to lead our Commonwealth, and it is time for him to step down. FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Feb 10, 2019 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:The problem is, the order of secession in Virginia looks like this: Kirk Cox is a 61 year old Virginian. Recent events lead me to believe that, like all white Virginians alive in the 80s, there are pictures floating around of him in black face. All of Virginia's officials should resign and they should just have a do over. Sucrose posted:The point is that as a white person, I'm not allowed to decide how offensive or unforgivable a particular person dressing in blackface is. Or alternatively, I can have an opinion, but should defer to the positions of actual black people on the subject and not try and make decisions on behalf of them. Dude was apparently confused as to whether or not he was in the picture of one dude in blackface smiling beside one dude in a Klan uniform. Then he went with the story that actually he'd just worn blackface as part of a sweet Michael Jackson cosplay, before his wife had to stop him from moonwalking in a news conference. Also he made it clear he was familiar with how hard it is to get shoe polish off your face. Dude wore a lot of shoe polish on his face and definitely either wore a Klan uniform or posed with people who did. It's nice if other people don't think he should resign. I disagree and think the piece of poo poo should get his dumb rear end out of office.
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I think the general consensus from these polls I've seen is that "Black Virginians" are just (a) more likely to be Democrat and thus more likely concerned about the bigger consequences of Northam and others resigning and (b) more realistic about the racism they regularly face and less surprised that Northam and half a dozen other Virginian politicians were all independently blackfacing it up in the 80s.
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STAC Goat posted:I think the general consensus from these polls I've seen is that "Black Virginians" are just (a) more likely to be Democrat and thus more likely concerned about the bigger consequences of Northam and others resigning and (b) more realistic about the racism they regularly face and less surprised that Northam and half a dozen other Virginian politicians were all independently blackfacing it up in the 80s. This. It makes me sad to think about all the layers. Blackface is objectively bad. Wiping out the Democratic Party leadership in Virginia would be a shock, but I also would not want to be represented by someone who wore blackface so much he couldn't remember the specific event from the photo. I know I'd remember posing for such a photo...that poo poo"s just not funny.
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Yeah, there's the issue of racism and blackface and Northam's unquestionably terrible handling of this and clear inability to get what's wrong. Then there's the bigger issue of why blackface was apparently so accepted so recently in Virginia and what that says about Virginia race relations today. Then there's the real world political consequences of possibly giving the Governorship over to Republicans while important issues are on the table. Its obviously a complicated matter for many. And then there's like this less partisan question of how "right" it is to allow 3 levels of elected members of one party to be taken down by a pr campaign from the opposition party and then giving a member of that party become the new governor. Especially when the Speakership was decided by a coin toss. I'm not sure what the hell that is but its definitely not a representative government. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Feb 11, 2019 |
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Gyges posted:Kirk Cox is a 61 year old Virginian. Recent events lead me to believe that, like all white Virginians alive in the 80s, there are pictures floating around of him in black face. I for one welcome Gov. Danica Roem. 
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STAC Goat posted:And then there's like this less partisan question of how "right" it is to allow 3 levels of elected members of one party to be taken down by a pr campaign from the opposition party and then giving a member of that party become the new governor. Especially when the Speakership was decided by a coin toss. I'm not sure what the hell that is but its definitely not a representative government.
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