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I'd say child support should be paid out by the government but garnished from the father's wages. If they're getting paid under the table to avoid garnishment then they and whoever is paying them should be legally butfucked for it.
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If they're earning unreported income to avoid paying child support that's tax evasion if not outright tax fraud and money laundering depending on how elaborate their scheme is. If they're earning it through other crimes like robbing banks and selling meth to teenagers that's more charges on the docket. You don't even have to throw people in prison for the sole fact that they're unable to pay child support, if they're otherwise able to pay but are taking unlawful action to avoid earning reportable income that can be garnished, it means they're already committing crimes that can put them in prison. The fact that they did it specifically to avoid supporting their own kid just makes them a bigger piece of poo poo on top of those other crimes. I'm not sure what the holdup here is unless you're saying being a divorcee makes it harder to find a job in which case I would like to know what the hell kind of jobs they're looking at beyond church stuff or marrying into the British royalty.
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Chichevache posted:I'm ok with making deadbeat dads miserable. I'm getting the impression there are a lot of people you feel superior to who you are OK with making miserable.
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Feb 11, 2019 18:25
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The Iron Rose posted:My parents divorced early and my mother had to go to court multiple times to get the child support she was owed. Wouldn't you rather fix this part?
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Feb 11, 2019 18:28
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hobbesmaster posted:Wouldn't you rather fix this part? No, it's way easier to send people to jail out of spite.
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McNally posted:No, it's way easier to send people to jail out of spite. That’s usually the reason to not pay in the first place.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:I'm getting the impression there are a lot of people you feel superior to who you are OK with making miserable. Just wannabe psychoanalysts on the internet.
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Prison is not a good deterrent. But also having to check a box saying you’ve been convicted of a felony when you try to get a job doesn’t help much either.
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Feb 11, 2019 18:52
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Chichevache posted:Just wannabe psychoanalysts on the internet. Well you're someone arguing for failed policies that will hurt people because it'd make you feel better. Maybe some real psychoanalysis off the internet would be worthwhile.
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Feb 11, 2019 18:55
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hobbesmaster posted:Wouldn't you rather fix this part? I think that fixing this part involves having a law on the books criminalizing nonpayment of child support. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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colachute posted:Prison is not a good deterrent. But also having to check a box saying you’ve been convicted of a felony when you try to get a job doesn’t help much either. Posting prison is used as a deterrent in this forum and it seems to work pretty well.
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Feb 11, 2019 18:59
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The Iron Rose posted:I think that fixing this part involves having a law on the books criminalizing nonpayment of child support. There... already is?
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Feb 11, 2019 19:01
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Won't someone think of the poor deadbeat dad's who have to go way out of their way to avoid supporting their kids? How dare we interfere with their ability to continue spreading their seed hither and yon without consequences? 
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Feb 11, 2019 19:02
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Chichevache posted:Posting prison is used as a deterrent in this forum and it seems to work pretty well. My other account has over 100 probations on it.
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Feb 11, 2019 19:08
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The Iron Rose posted:I think that fixing this part involves having a law on the books criminalizing nonpayment of child support. It didn't seem to work and your mom had to actively take steps instead of the state doing so. Sounds like something that could be fixed by having better social services.
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Feb 11, 2019 19:10
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Locking people up for drunk driving is insane, and you can't take their licenses away since for most jobs in most of the country you need to drive to function, so just make them convert to Islam, bingo bongo
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Doc Hawkins posted:Locking people up for drunk driving is insane, and you can't take their licenses away since for most jobs in most of the country you need to drive to function, so just make them convert to Islam, bingo bongo I can't even tell who is being sarcastic or not anymore. 
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hobbesmaster posted:It didn't seem to work and your mom had to actively take steps instead of the state doing so. Lol that’s not happening. You know what society cares even less about than dead beat dads? Children who are born.
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LingcodKilla posted:Lol that’s not happening. Society not caring about supporting children is the problem, yes.
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There is a real issue with how quickly societal mores are changing compared to how quickly the people themselves are changing. The Pod Save America guys a discussion this weekend vis-à-vis the whole Virginia debacle. Northam and his ilk were only 15-20 years removed from the end of Jim Crow. That's not enough time to change over the native politicians without some glaring contradictions in their past. And that's to say nothing about how society is looking at criminal justice since what...2015? And further, sexual assault and abusers since 2017? Side note: the Pod guys had a discussion regarding Northam and were trying to make an argument regarding Northam staying in office and I wanted to scream through the app at them.
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When did prison stop being a deterrent? I have some amount of education in this and I'm going to need to see some works cited on that outrageous claim. I'm suspecting this is somehow a result of the internet echo chamber taking the findings that the death penalty is not more of a deterrent than life in prison and running with it to completely unsupported places.
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1095028946582859777?s=19 https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/1095031219740393472?s=19 I defend Pelosi and her people a lot, but there is an absolute truckload of bad faith flying around and gently caress all of this bullshit. Minority Leader McCarthy is yelling about anti-Semitism when he was openly telling chuds to vote so Soros couldn't buy the election. gently caress everyone involved.
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Meanwhile, the case of the SEAL who knifed a teenage IS fighter to death and became so unhinged that his teammates hosed with the zero on his rifle has taken an even worse turn: https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1095029784013430784
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Jarmak posted:When did prison stop being a deterrent? I have some amount of education in this and I'm going to need to see some works cited on that outrageous claim. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_9542312 quote:Using a Bureau of Justice Statistic study finding inmates released from state prisons have a five-year recidivism rate of 76.6%, the USSC study calculated comparable federal prisoners released have a 44.7% re-arrest rate after five years. I’d say that’s pretty damning evidence against prison being effective.
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Jarmak posted:When did prison stop being a deterrent? I have some amount of education in this and I'm going to need to see some works cited on that outrageous claim. Nah. It was a fair amount of research. https://nij.gov/five-things/pages/deterrence.aspx tl;dr posted:1. The certainty of being caught is a vastly more powerful deterrent than the punishment.
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Sorry everyone, the young left took a vote and we're gonna abolish prisons. My hands are tied, it's a caucus thing.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Sorry everyone, the young left took a vote and we're gonna abolish prisons. My hands are tied, it's a caucus thing. perfect time to be gay and do crimes
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colachute posted:https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_9542312 Brute Squad posted:Nah. It was a fair amount of research. I'm very familiar with this research and none of it says "prison isn't a deterrent" nor do the summaries you posted. They are nuanced findings on what effects the deterrent value of prison and when that deterrent isn't effective.
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Brute Squad posted:Nah. It was a fair amount of research. Pretty sure consequences like losing your freedom still deters crime. It may not increase deterrence when the sentence is increased, but prison itself is still a deterrent. If there weren't consequences, I'd definitely be criming all day.
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The Iron Rose posted:Being poor should not be a literal get out of jail free card. Moreover, this isn't only hitting the poor. My father was a multimillionaire until he lost it all in 2008 and he still didn't pay all the child support he was supposed to despite the fact that my mother was pretty dirt poor in comparison. She didn't even ask him for any alimony either! pal, we hate the rich around here, not the poor
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Casimir Radon posted:I'd say child support should be paid out by the government but garnished from the father's wages. If they're getting paid under the table to avoid garnishment then they and whoever is paying them should be legally butfucked for it. Its this, except garnish everyone's wages.
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TF CURES GENERATOR posted:pal, we hate the rich around here, not the poor Can't we just hate bad people regardless of social class?
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Average tax return down 8% so far this year....Good job rear end loving yourself with the voters Dirty Donny
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The Gardenator posted:Its this, except garnish everyone's wages. Taxation is theft!
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Jarmak posted:I'm very familiar with this research and none of it says "prison isn't a deterrent" nor do the summaries you posted. They are nuanced findings on what effects the deterrent value of prison and when that deterrent isn't effective. If someone gets out of prison and commits another crime and goes back to prison, how does that indicate that prison is not a deterrent for that individual? And if this happens at a high rate, how does that not indicate that prison isn’t a deterrent as a whole? What rate of recidivism would be appropriate to say prison is not a deterrent?
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Tryzzub posted:69% Ah, very nice
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Tryzzub posted:69% This is a great example actually. That idiot makes a ton of money from his music then commits violent crimes for fun. He’s the exact kind of person who should be locked up for life to protect society.
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