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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:rich, pro-israel jews in NYC donate to campaigns but bernie sanders (who is jewish) is one of the few politicians who doesn't feel like he needs to kiss their rear end and take their money, which is why he's hated uh, also that whole soak-the-rich thing that affects capital across all religion and ethnicity
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Taintrunner posted:it gets worse "Saudi Arabia is the Muslim state, akin to the Vatican, and you cannot separate the two. Criticizing Saudi Arabia is Islamophobic."
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DEA posted:"Saudi Arabia is the Muslim state, akin to the Vatican, and you cannot separate the two. Criticizing Saudi Arabia is Islamophobic." that's not a good tack, chief
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i say swears online posted:uh, also that whole soak-the-rich thing that affects capital across all religion and ethnicity
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anti-semites are the real useful idiots -- they are total idiots. they are instrumentally useful for the israeli state now to the point that being pro-israel and anti-semitic do not necessarily contradict each other. it's also why some of the scariest stuff is directed at jewish activists against the occupation: https://twitter.com/jvp_pdx/status/1047486414164639744
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quote:Psy-Group had more success pitching an operation, code-named Project Butterfly, to wealthy Jewish-American donors. The operation targeted what Psy-Group described as “anti-Israel” activists on American college campuses who supported the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement, known as B.D.S. Supporters of B.D.S. see the movement as a way to use nonviolent protest to pressure Israel about its treatment of the Palestinians; detractors say that B.D.S. wrongly singles out Israel as a human-rights offender. B.D.S. is anathema to many ardent supporters of the Israeli government. 
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Feb 11, 2019 19:43
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Look how virulently anti-BDS they are when BDS is just a boycott of Israeli goods. Like that's it that's all it is. Basically they are saying even non-violent protest in the form of buying products not made in Israel isn't even acceptable. It makes the whole idea behind "ah well if the protestors in Gaza/Palestine weren't so violent it'd be fine." Well no obviously it wouldn't obviously the only acceptable path forward is they all just lay down and die willingly. They won't even let people in other countries just do a boycott. Hell they want to make it illegal to participate in BDS in the USA. Meanwhile France decides not to help us illegally invade the Middle East and we boycott them and it's fine. What?
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Feb 12, 2019 03:00
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It's a shame that people receiving death threats don't just gun down stalkers who follow them around wear creepy masks. 
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If some creepy bird mask motherfucker tries to follow me like he is playing Hotline Miami I'll fuckin hit them with my Louisville slugger idgaf
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Tubgoat posted:It's a shame that people receiving death threats don't just gun down stalkers who follow them around wear creepy masks. Didn't see this post before I made mine. Not an empty quote.
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Moridin920 posted:If some creepy bird mask motherfucker tries to follow me like he is playing Hotline Miami I'll fuckin hit them with my Louisville slugger idgaf  Is it even legal to carry around a baseball bat? I would think not because it's not a gun. I'm not being sarcastic, America is just literally the absolute worst.
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Feb 12, 2019 03:06
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They aren't regulated in any way lol
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Feb 12, 2019 03:09
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Hey idk if this is a thread for effort posts but I was wondering: how did Israel go from bombing the British to helping them invade Egypt in under a decade? Did they always plan on being pro imperial, was it an alliance of convenience, did attitudes shift?
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StashAugustine posted:Hey idk if this is a thread for effort posts but I was wondering: how did Israel go from bombing the British to helping them invade Egypt in under a decade? Did they always plan on being pro imperial, was it an alliance of convenience, did attitudes shift? Same reason the US eventually flipped to allying with the brits: they finally got their free hand in genociding the natives
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I was looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Rouhani#Israel and read Wikipedia posted:In November 2018, Rouhani called Israel a "cancerous tumor established by Western countries to advance their interests in the Middle East." and thought "even if that were true, he could have just said 'the West has financially benefited from the establishment of Israel' and it would have been less inflammatory, lessening the chance for reconciliation and peace" Then I went to look up articles about the claim https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-support-Israel-What-benefit-does-the-US-get-out-of-this-alliance Quora user posted:Who pays for these US soldiers to be stationed defending Germans, Japanese, and South Koreans, Italians, and Afghanis? America, that’s who. YOU. ME. And after decades of protecting these countries from their enemies, the US has spent hundreds of billions, probably trillions of dollars for their defense. How many lost soldiers? Too many to count. I'm pretty sure the difference is that the US would intervene against Germany, Japan, or South Korea if they suddenly went on the warpath and started trying to conquer other countries, whereas America would probably do nothing if Israel had an Iraq War moment with Iran Quora user posted:While many anti-Israel, anti-Semitic posts and ‘discussions’ across the internet like to describe how much money is given to Israel each year for military aid, they always leave out the most important facts. Much of the military aid given to Israel must be spent in the US. Yeah, we know it goes back to the US, that's the whole point of the military-industrial complex lobbying for arms shipments in general, not just toward Israel, and like most trickle-down spending, it would help people more efficiently to spend it on social services directly. Quora user posted:That’s fine, even though today Israel has it’s own weapons manufacturing capabilities. Much of what is purchased through this military aid is often upgraded by Israel to new and better standards, then shared with the US on how to improve them. For supplying weapons to NATO and Europe, I've already considered that if we weren't there, they'd start to work on improving their own weapons manufacturing facilities and establishing their own military. EU countries aren't actively using those weapons against civilians within disputed territory like how Israel shot protesters at a border wall, though I got side-tracked from my original line of inquiry and this was probably a waste of time galenanorth has issued a correction as of 07:20 on Feb 12, 2019 |
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StashAugustine posted:Hey idk if this is a thread for effort posts but I was wondering: how did Israel go from bombing the British to helping them invade Egypt in under a decade? Did they always plan on being pro imperial, was it an alliance of convenience, did attitudes shift? You'll get whiplash if you look at some of Israel's alliance in the early years. The USSR actually voted to recognize it in 1948 because the Soviets thought that socialist Zionism might lead the country into aligning with the Communist bloc. Of course, that never panned out, and the USSR supported Arab nationalists instead in the years after. During the Suez war, both the US and the USSR intervened to save Egypt. In some of Israel's early wars, it received much more aid from Czechoslovakia and France than the US. It was only in the 1973 Yom Kippur war that the Israel-USA alliance was really cemented in the way we understand. To answer your question, I'm not sure exactly how or why attitudes shifted to make Israel regard the UK as an ally a decade after 1948. Israel has always presented itself as the ultimate pragmatist, and I think they accepted any aid that was offered. If the British and French hated Nasser, they were more than willing to join the party. As for the UK, if the British refrained from befriending former colonies, they wouldn't have any friends left.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i.e. harassment, death threats, slander, gently caress with your bank accounts, and sending bulky men wearing creepy bird masks to follow you around That photo is pretty creepy. But why is the masked guy standing there? Hundreds of students probably walk out of the campus at that exit. Was the bird-mask guy just sitting there waiting for his target to come to then stand up when he arrives? Or was the bird-mask guy following his target and jumped in front of him and stood to his right?
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DEA posted:That photo is pretty creepy. But why is the masked guy standing there? Hundreds of students probably walk out of the campus at that exit. Was the bird-mask guy just sitting there waiting for his target to come to then stand up when he arrives? Or was the bird-mask guy following his target and jumped in front of him and stood to his right?
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https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1095329033984851969 https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1095330299423191040
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Moridin920 posted:Look how virulently anti-BDS they are when BDS is just a boycott of Israeli goods. "Comparing Palestine to the American/black civil rights movement has no validity. In America, black people chose boycotting racist buses over bombing them." But what happens when Palestinians boycott racist buses or highways in the occupied territories? There is no comparison between the Civil Rights movement and Palestine, true. But only because black people were able to boycott and call for boycotting racist establishments in America without legal repressions in the 1950s. Whereas in 2019, that is illegal in both Israel and America. Starpluck has issued a correction as of 16:30 on Feb 12, 2019 |
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StashAugustine posted:Hey idk if this is a thread for effort posts but I was wondering: how did Israel go from bombing the British to helping them invade Egypt in under a decade? Did they always plan on being pro imperial, was it an alliance of convenience, did attitudes shift? For the most part, it was an alliance of convenience. Israel believed Egypt represented a significant potential threat to them, and they weren't gonna turn down assistance from a major European power. But it's important to note that Israel didn't hold much resentment toward the Brits, who had made their intention to give up on the Mandate of Palestine forever quite clear. The British were also reluctant to work with Israel, given that it risked their other alliances in the region, but having a local collaborator was just too useful to pass up.
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Feb 12, 2019 16:41
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Is there a good book on the subject of the British empire in the middle east
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We can argue about Israel/Palestine all we want, but I'd also like us to remember that it's been a decade and we're still nowhere close to a peaceful resolution to the Futuresex/Lovesounds debate
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american jews are a pain in the rear end, has anyone got a good piece on the pay for slay bullshit? hard to find anything when searching that's not written by a frothing racist
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the propaganda trope that the palestinian authority's martyr fund is a "pay for slay" program to financially incentivise wanton attacks on jews
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Coohoolin posted:the propaganda trope that the palestinian authority's martyr fund is a "pay for slay" program to financially incentivise wanton attacks on jews It does look to me like it effectively encourages it and has the same relationship with violent crime as the relationship between campaign contributions and the way members of Congress vote
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Feb 13, 2019 22:37
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Please donate money for, uh
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Please donate money for, uh They literally advertise themselves as a lobbying group to promote pro-Israel policies. But suggesting that they're lobbying for support of Israel is a bridge too far apparently??? 
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i say swears online posted:do palestinians living in occupied areas have israeli citizenship, or only in pre-'67 proper? The latter.
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