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Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Operation DEMON WHEEL in the Eastern US

Look at it this way: the reward for the other mission is intel, but doing this one keeps intel costs from doubling plus gives you supplies.

(Also, I have faith that you won't kill so many people that double-price recruits is going to hurt much, as Tea said)

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NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






Akratic Method posted:

Operation DEMON WHEEL in the Eastern US

Look at it this way: the reward for the other mission is intel, but doing this one keeps intel costs from doubling plus gives you supplies.

(Also, I have faith that you won't kill so many people that double-price recruits is going to hurt much, as Tea said)
Seconding this. Intel is, if nothing else, used for contacting regions and that in return is a great investment.

Cloud Potato
Jan 9, 2011

"I'm... happy!"
That's one expensive sniper! Has to be Op. Demon Wheel, to recoup some of that outlay.

Fatigued
Feb 5, 2010
Nap Ghost
I'd definitely go with Operation Demon Wheel. Those supplies will be useful, and having your intel cost doubled is pretty annoying.

Doobie Keebler
May 9, 2005

Voting for Operation Demon Wheel. Intel is hard to come by. You don't need any recruits for a while.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

As far as what units promote to, ones made in the character pool can have a preferred promote (for example I've got Ocelot who will always be a sniper (gunslinger tree is picked manually from there)) but otherwise it's random. It will weight more heavily toward ones you don't have, so if your last specialist gets killed the next rookie's likely to promote to one, but otherwise fully random. Due to the nature of the game and people seeking narratives though, it's easy to come up with "this guy became a sniper because they nailed a long-range shot" superstitions; those have all been debunked.

The language is a bit ambiguous for the Skulljack, so here's some clarification on it and Skullmining: the Skulljack alone can only be used for some plot requirements that say "skulljack this guy". Once you research Skullmining it can also be used in the field when you don't have those objectives.

And the vote, Eastern US for Operation Demon Wheel.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
Stop getting Emi horribly maimed

At least she's well on her way to being combat hacker queen, should probably give her the skulljack once you upgrade it to the skullmine thing (so she has godlike hacking power, assuming it doesn't just mean "get a bonus when skulljacking", which would be boring)

Also yes Demon Wheel

Jen X fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Feb 9, 2019

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA
Yeah something tells me you didn't look at the pricetag for that sniper.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Affi posted:

Yeah something tells me you didn't look at the pricetag for that sniper.

BUT IT'S CALIFORNIA MUSTANG!

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA

Natural 20 posted:

BUT IT'S CALIFORNIA MUSTANG!

Cool name! Your entire months supplies!

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Affi posted:

Cool name! Your entire months supplies!

California.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Natural 20 posted:

California.

Mustang.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Affi posted:

Yeah something tells me you didn't look at the pricetag for that sniper.

Well it is a blind playthrough

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

It's not the xcom experience if half your soldiers aren't given backstories where they're all freaks and posers.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!

Natural 20 posted:

BUT IT'S CALIFORNIA MUSTANG!
For all the bugs, unintuitive bits, inadequately explained bits, and usability problems, XCOM's real good at getting players invested in whatever inevitably-bizarre emergent narrative they wind up creating in it.

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010
You know what helps with poison? Medkits! I suspect you're going to regret having gone combat hacker on both your specialists.

I also say Demon Wheel. It's tempting to just ignore both and focus on the blacksite, but I think you should have enough time to get everything done before anymore Avatar progress is made. And you might find a nice juicy officer to eat the brain of!

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
EDIT: Actually nevermind, I am bad at reading.

Vote's pretty much decided by now but I still also say Demon Wheel.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
Not gonna lie, I've been expecting that "surprise civilian" moment. :allears:

Well played again, you guys are really getting the hang of it.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bruceski posted:

How to know when cars will explode versus smoking for a turn:

Whenever it screws you over the most. There's some sort of logic behind it but don't rely on anything. You know how you were told half cover is a trap (I personally disagree with that, just don't treat it as a wall)? Cars are the true trap. The deadliest thing in this game is not an alien it is a parking lot.

I didn't mention gas stations on purpose.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God
You think "Blood Point" is bad, I once had to defend the resistance haven of "Humanity Falls". Like, did you guys let the Faceless name the town or something?

Twenty eight minutes in, you run an overwatch shot. Your logic about the soldier already being injured and healed was sound, but you also could have used combat protocol to zap the Viper for 2 damage and force it out of overwatch.

Haywire and Revival Protocol are both really good. Haywire is also tons of fun, though, so I'm glad you took it.

LPers don't read this one: Them musing about what could happen with the skulljack is hilarious.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Feb 12, 2019

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






Stocks are amazing for exactly the reasons you think. Having that extra failsafe really helps when mathing out how best to stomp out an enemy pod.

If you're looking for some really weird mission names, ask Jade Star about the pool he had during his LP. A third of them were vulgar and most of the rest were absurd.

SlightlyMad
Jun 7, 2015


Gary’s Answer
Please take a note for the future, Natural20:

If I get to join your squad and if you were to promote one sniper to be a pistol specialist, I would love to have my character be a pistol dude. Just to spread my love of revolvers in this game. They don't need reloading, can also use special ammo like the bigger guns, will later get more shots per turn et cetera. In the right hands, they can wreck face. A high-ranked pistol specialist is a nice thing to have in your team. (Not that there is anything wrong with the rifle specialists you have.)

Good job on the missions so far.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Yeah gunslinger skills can be really fun. I tend to give them to Ma now just to mix things up. But long watch still seems pretty hard to give up... so maybe not 100% gunslinger.

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO
Oh god please do magnetic weapons next, mutons and robits are going to mess you up.

Mr. Vile
Nov 25, 2009

And, where there is treasure, there will be Air Pirates.
The game doesn't exactly spell this out and it's incredibly useful to know to the point that I would call it a core game mechanic: Overwatch breaks if you get hit. You had a perfect opportunity to get a guaranteed 2 damage on that last enemy with Enemy Protocol and break their Overwatch before Funky slashed its face off.

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA
Well played! Haywire is great! And on EMI with the bonus to hack you've got a potential all star player brewing.

Sure hope they go magnetic weapons next along with guerilla tactics school. They need more damage and more dudes for when mutons and codexes show up

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010
Now that meks are showing up, I really feel like you're falling behind on the tech curve as far as weapons and armor go. If you don't know how armor works (and it's not spoiling anything to say) it's basically damage reduction. 2 points of armor means 2 points of weapon damage will be ignored from every shot. Armor shredding does just what it sounds like: A point of armor shredding means the enemy loses one armor on every successful hit.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!

Nordick posted:

I've been expecting that "surprise civilian" moment. :allears:
You guys basically got the cops called on you.
It is sort of hinted at if you see the small detection area around civilians in advent-controlled areas, but I don't remember if that had ever come up and got noticed before.

Not to excuse, of course, actual bugs and usability problems and unintuitive and/or very important fundamental things that go unexplained like

Mr. Vile posted:

The game doesn't exactly spell this out and it's incredibly useful to know to the point that I would call it a core game mechanic: Overwatch breaks if you get hit. You had a perfect opportunity to get a guaranteed 2 damage on that last enemy with Enemy Protocol and break their Overwatch before Funky slashed its face off.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
I think at this point I've had about four or five different people comment on the Overwatch thing.

And I thought I was being smart!

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
I mean. Given what you knew at the time, and more freely experimental play being somewhat discouraged by the combined shadows of :xcom: cascade failures and ironman looming over you...

I certainly wouldn't call it a digging-a-trench-with-a-spoon situation.

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA

Natural 20 posted:

I think at this point I've had about four or five different people comment on the Overwatch thing.

And I thought I was being smart!

You were and it’s a great way to solve problems if you can manage who gets hurt! He was basically fine since overwatch shots can’t crit.

It was a 50/50 call where you chose to save a limited use ability in favour of expending some health from one of your soldiers.

(That was the last pod but you couldn’t know that)

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

Affi posted:

He was basically fine since overwatch shots can’t crit.


Another thing that is not at all obvious for a first timer

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA

tarbrush posted:

Another thing that is not at all obvious for a first timer

Also a false statement because there are skills. (And there might even be enemies who have that skill) (I don’t know!)

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

tarbrush posted:

Another thing that is not at all obvious for a first timer

Doesn't the actual ability say that?

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻

Bremen posted:

You think "Blood Point" is bad, I once had to defend the resistance haven of "Humanity Falls". Like, did you guys let the Faceless name the town or something?

Twenty eight minutes in, you run an overwatch shot. Your logic about the soldier already being injured and healed was sound, but you also could have used combat protocol to zap the Viper for 2 damage and force it out of overwatch.

Haywire and Revival Protocol are both really good. Haywire is also tons of fun, though, so I'm glad you took it.

LPers don't read this one: Them musing about what could happen with the skulljack is hilarious.

Has it occurred during the LP that damage disables overwatch?

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

Affi posted:

Also a false statement because there are skills. (And there might even be enemies who have that skill) (I don’t know!)

Well, yeah, once you get a sergeant support it becomes kinda obvious, but that's very much midgame.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.
"We're going to build the sword before next mission...NOT"

:v:

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Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

I love the cliffhanger comment as the video fades out. Good choice of cutpoint.

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