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ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

I'm sure the public gives a flying gently caress about all this.

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# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:00

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Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Did they end up passing any of the amendments they were discussing yesterday, or are they just putting it to vote unamended?

Just read that they have passed the watered down amendments.

Tokamak fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Feb 12, 2019

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:01

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

tithin posted:

Is it on?

Not any more. They haven't updated since July last year.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:02

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

GotLag posted:

Does anyone on his side care?

Imagine being a moderate in the LNP, and your lovely reactionary idiot PM can't even be hosed being in the chamber for most of this.

edit:

guardian live blog posted:

1m ago
18:03
A Labor MP just messaged to say they are keeping an eye on Christopher Pyne to see if he attempts to run off with the mace Brexit debate style.

I think they are only half joking. Things are quite tense on the government side.

We are talking about a historic loss. The last time this happened, no one in that chamber was alive.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:04

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

ewe2 posted:

I'm sure the public gives a flying gently caress about all this.

They don't, but it will form the basis of the election campaign in lieu of a vision or constructive policy.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:06

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

75-74

lol government

:auspol:

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:09

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

If I were Bill, I'd start my election campaign with a speech about how the 43rd parliament was pilloried in the media and by the Coalition for being an unworkable dysfunctional government, despite their considerable achievements. What then would you call a government that can't even control the lower house?

https://twitter.com/AdamBandt/status/1095217432602370048

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:12

MiniSune: Sep 16, 2003; Smart like Dodo!

Hilarious.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:14

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Bill passed.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:14

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Knorth posted:

Apparently it has something to do with the type of bill it is coming from the Senate idk

https://twitter.com/jmodoh/status/1095198093706809344

bring it, election now

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:16

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

quote:

The future of the Coalition's hold on power is at risk with the Federal Government becoming the first to lose a vote on its own legislation in 90 years.

This, all in my face, forever.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:19

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

imagine if a vote on refugees brought down the government

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:21

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

It appears the government were trying to get the bill to fail because people would be paid to be on the panel. So the ALP/crossbench amendment took that out and therefore there wasn't a constitutional issue, contrary to the advice of Porter. This is as much a black eye for him as for ScoMo. Now they'll probably filibuster it in the Senate and Pyne will claim he fixed it.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:22

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Election now cowards.

You have no face
You have no power
You have no mandate
You have nothing

Empty chair government must die.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:22

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:23

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

https://twitter.com/ABCthedrum/status/1095222475380551680

:allears:

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:27

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:30

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:33

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/1095224220978573313

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:35

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/1095224220978573313

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:43

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

Scumfuck is holding a press conference at 7pm.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:45

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

drunkill posted:

Scumfuck is holding a press conference at 7pm.

In any other government this would be an election announcement. Under this one it's going to be portrayed as Morrison bravely standing against disruptive forces.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:47

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

drunkill posted:

Scumfuck is holding a press conference at 7pm.

Call an election you Hillsong goose stepping motherfucker.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:48

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

fuckin lol

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:48

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:48

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

drunkill posted:

Scumfuck is holding a press conference at 7pm.

15m after ALP's so he can have the last word and a bit of a cry.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:49

Reclines Obesily: Jul 24, 2000; Hey Moona!; Slippery Tilde

so the libs hidden gambit the past few days was an unconstitutional part of the legislation that took labor like an hour to remove

ok

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:55

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

drunkill posted:

Scumfuck is holding a press conference at 7pm.

He'll probably pull a Turnbull and ramble about something meaningless while his party burns.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:56

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

ewe2 posted:

15m after ALP's so he can have the last word and a bit of a cry.

Albo coming out hard, but looks like Bourke is playing with a straight bat.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:56

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

AFR is reporting they may refuse to take the bill to the GG. That would be a really really bad move, but by all means, establish the precedent.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:57

Dire Lemming: Jan 19, 2016; If you don't coddle ~~Nazis~~ flat Earthers then you're literally as bad as them.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/1095224220978573313

I'm glad he at least admits that getting sick is inevitable in the current conditions on Nauru.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:57

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

ewe2 posted:

AFR is reporting they may refuse to take the bill to the GG. That would be a really really bad move, but by all means, establish the precedent.

Start building the guillotines

# ? Feb 12, 2019 08:59

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

ewe2 posted:

AFR is reporting they may refuse to take the bill to the GG. That would be a really really bad move, but by all means, establish the precedent.

Can someone copy paste ta I'm nearly there...

# ? Feb 12, 2019 09:00

Slugnoid: Jun 23, 2006; Nap Ghost

after all the amendments is this bill any good? i was really expecting labor to motherfuck themselves like they did with the encryption bill

# ? Feb 12, 2019 09:01

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

hambeet posted:

Can someone copy paste ta I'm nearly there...

Burke is already yelling about it in the presser.

guardian liveblog posted:

Asked if Labor will rule out a vote of no confidence, given the loss of the vote, Tony Burke says �no opposition would ever rule that out�.

He says the key to whether the prime minister considers this a de facto of no confidence, he would have to decide if it was an issue of �vital importance�.

Burke said it would be �extraordinary and without precedent� for a government to withhold royal assent � ie, not taking it to the Governor-General.

He indicates that would be a trigger for no confidence

Phil Coomey, AFR posted:

Scott Morrison suffers historic defeat as asylum seeker bill passes

The Morrison government has become the first in 90 years to lose a vote on legislation in the House of Representatives after Labor, the Greens and the crossbench combined to pass laws facilitating the medical transfer of asylum seekers to Australia for treatment.

Facing certain defeat, the Coalition went to the barricades at the very last minute and furnished legal advice claiming the legislation was unconstitutional.

But Labor and the minor parties were unperturbed, pointing to ambiguities in the advice from Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue, QC, and pushed ahead with the vote, which passed by 75 votes to 74.

The defeat will not trigger an early election because it was not deemed a confidence vote. Dominic Lorrimer

Six of the seven crossbenchers voted with the 69 Labor MPs while Bob Katter sided with the minority Coalition government as it became the first to lose a vote on legislation on the floor of the House of Representatives since that of Stanley Bruce in 1929.

The bill may not become law with the government threatening not to take it to the Governor-General Peter Cosgrove for Royal assent. The laws must also first be rubber stamped by the Senate where they originated, which should happen this week.

The defeat will not trigger an early election because it was not deemed a confidence vote.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Labor had failed to learn from the past that border laws could not be weakened.

"The same wreckers who destroyed it last time have come into this place and whispered in the ear of the crossbench and convinced them to undermine it again."

"This is a day when the Labor Party has failed the test," he said.

The bill may not become law with the government threatening not to take it to the Governor-General Peter Cosgrove for Royal assent. The laws must also first be rubber stamped by the Senate where they originated, which should happen this week.
"They make the repeated mistake where they think they can fiddle and change (border laws) without consequences."

Labor leader Bill Shorten rejected this, saying strength did not have to be sacrificed for compassion.

"The current government confuses stubbornness with strength. They think they're being strong but they are just being stubborn," he said.

He said there was nothing more Australian than to look after sick people in the nation's care.

"The Prime Minister said that this bill was superfluous and he would just simply ignore it. Today the government tells us that this bill is a constitutional crisis. The fact of the matter is this bill is about providing treatment to sick people.

"The Australian people do not send us to Parliament to run and hide from debates we don't like, to manipulate procedure and the law to avoid democracy.

"I believe that we can keep our borders secure, we can uphold national security but still treat people humanely."

Day of drama
The defeat came after a tumultuous day which almost saw the deal between Labor and the crossbench collapse.

In December last year, Labor and a requisite six lower house crossbenchers - Cathy McGowan, Rebekha Sharkie, Keryn Phelps, Adam Bandt, Andrew Wilkie and Liberal defector Julia Banks - were in lock-step on amending a relatively innocuous government bill to give doctors the authority to approve a transfer to Australia of an asylum seeker for medical treatment.

Labor, the Greens and others had already voted to change the bill in the Senate and the government staved off being rolled in the lower house by filibustering until Parliament rose for the year.

Under the amendments passed by the Senate and backed last year by Labor, the Home Affairs Minister would be able to veto a recommended transfer on national security grounds but not on character grounds.

The government, which released ASIO advice to back its claim, said this dilution of ministerial discretion would weaken border protection and allow people of bad character to come to Australia.

Under pressure this week, Labor sought three key changes ahead of the lower house vote this week.

First, the minister would have the final discretion on character grounds as well as national security but character would be codified to include such categories as the rapists, murderers and paedophiles, which the government claimed would surge into the country.

The changes also proposed giving the minister longer than 24 hours to reject a recommended transfer and the third change was to apply the rules only to those already on Manus Island and Nauru.

But the Greens said the amendments effectively restored the status quo. They were especially hostile to the relaxation of the 24 hour deadline and insisted there be a solid deadline rather than "as soon as practicable". This was the "deal breaker".

So Labor agreed to 72 hours except for life and death cases where the deadline for the minster would stay at 24 hours.

With the deal locked in with the Greens and five other independents, the government faced certain defeat.

At the very last minute, Attorney-General Christian Porter presented legal advice which warned the amendments could contravene sections 53 and 56 of the Constitution.

The amendments establish an Independent Health Advice Panel, staffed by doctors nominated by the Australian Medical Association or other medical professional bodies and this will require the panel to be paid, effectively increasing government expenditure.

Section 53 requires money Bills to originate in the House of Representatives whereas these amendments originated in the Senate.

The advice also flags a potential breach of section 56 which requires such appropriation of money to be recommended by the Governor-General.

However, the legal advice ultimately leaves it up to the Parliament to decide.

"It is ultimately for the House of Representatives to decide whether it considers the Senate amendments to be consistent with s53 and, if not, how it wishes to respond that contravention if that provision".

It also stipulates that if the amendments were passed, the High Court would not interfere.

"The (High Court) has also held that failure to comply� does not give rise to invalidity of the resulting Act when it has been passed by two Houses of Parliament and has received Royal Assent," it says.

Labor said these caveats were why Mr Porter,upon releasing his advice to the Speaker, Tony Smith, asked it not be made public. But it was.

In January, Mr Morrison partially backed down by offering to establish an independent medical review panel to consider transfers but leaving the final say in all cases to the minister. The attempt to head off the defeat was deemed insufficient by Labor and the others.

ewe2 fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Feb 12, 2019

# ? Feb 12, 2019 09:03

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

I stopped these.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 09:05

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Not taking it to the GG for ascent would just force the independents to call a confidence motion.

Not sure what the end game is with that plan

# ? Feb 12, 2019 09:06

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

ScoMo is having a lovely tanty, he's doing the sulky voice.

# ? Feb 12, 2019 09:08

I, Butthole: Jun 30, 2007; Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT

"votes will come and they will go, they don't trouble me" is a loving zinger of a quote to deliver on camera before an election, Scotty

He's campaigning direct to camera, what a shameless slime

# ? Feb 12, 2019 09:09

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Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

We didn't fail the test, Labor failed the test!

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