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Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Riptor posted:

who the gently caress calls them hypermarkets

That’s the normal French word, so you’ll see like "hyper casino" means "the really big Casino [a supermarket chain]" versus a "Casino" or a "Minicasino" etc. It’s not like Target where every target is more or less the same size and supply of goods; only in a hypercasino will you find stuff like drills and pool supplies.

But yeah I still lol at hearing "hypercasino" even after years.

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webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Hypermarket is a common term in the UK as well

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

webmeister posted:

Hypermarket is a common term in the UK as well

It really isn't. Supermarket, yes, hypermarket, no.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

webmeister posted:

Istanbul is absolutely amazing and one of my all time favourite cities. The history in particular there is just amazing, and the modern culture is fascinating too. That said - it is a chaotic developing world city, so if you've never travelled outside the first world then it's going to be an eye-opener for you. I'm thinking particularly in terms of traffic and the like - it's miles away from the orderliness of Germany. Nobody's going to stop for him at a pedestrian crossing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't say don't go, but it might be worth waiting a couple of years until he's a bit more reliable.

I didn't find Istanbul particularly third worldy, in some parts yeah, but lots of it was shiny and impressive. Like BAM, as someone from the NYC metro I was like "respect respect", that was a metropolis!
And while the driving was yikes, that is pretty endemic to the Mediterranean. I had just as terrifying cabbie rides in Greece.
I dunno it just sounds like you're describing India here and no way.

Grape fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Feb 6, 2019

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Saladman posted:

That’s the normal French word, so you’ll see like "hyper casino" means "the really big Casino [a supermarket chain]" versus a "Casino" or a "Minicasino" etc. It’s not like Target where every target is more or less the same size and supply of goods; only in a hypercasino will you find stuff like drills and pool supplies.

But yeah I still lol at hearing "hypercasino" even after years.

My dude, have you not been to Super Target?

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

greazeball posted:

My dude, have you not been to Super Target?

Whoa, nope and never even heard of it either. I guess I don’t spend enough time in suburban America. I can’t even imagine what that means, considering that a regular target sells everything from melatonin to furniture to bicycles to clothes. I see Wikipedia refers to it as a "hypermarket" in the English-language wiki on Target.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Feb 6, 2019

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


It's basically a Target but with a much larger grocery section.

Kroger is another American chain that is like the opposite of that... they have started doing hypermarkets that are grocery stores with a Target-sized amount of non-grocery stuff tacked on to it.

HELP! I'm going to Europe Megathread: stop talking about fuckin hypermarkets tho

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Grape posted:

I didn't find Istanbul particularly third worldy, in some parts yeah, but lots of it was shiny and impressive. Like BAM, as someone from the NYC metro I was like "respect respect", that was a metropolis!
And while the driving was yikes, that is pretty endemic to the Mediterranean. I had just as terrifying cabbie rides in Greece.
I dunno it just sounds like you're describing India here and no way.

Nah it’s definitely not third world - funnily enough I’m in India at the moment and there’s definitely no comparison. But i can definitely see a kid with German traffic expectations encountering problems

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Saladman posted:

only in a hypercasino will you find stuff like drills and pool supplies.

this is a profoundly confusing sentence at first glance

uli2000
Feb 23, 2015

Cicero posted:

So, wife and I are thinking about visiting Istanbul during Easter break (we're Americans living in Germany), including our 7-year old son. In fact it was basically his idea, when I mentioned that Istanbul was the 'city of cats' he instantly said he wanted to go there. I've done some basic research, it seems largely okay security/safety-wise, but I do still worry, partially because said son is fairly hyper and has a habit of wandering. And the steadily tightening grip of Erdogan + that failed coup attempt aren't exactly confidence-inspiring. Anyone got any advice here?

Get him one of these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGPfCPoca04

Betazoid
Aug 3, 2010

Hallo. Ik ben een leeuw.

Drone posted:

It's basically a Target but with a much larger grocery section.

Kroger is another American chain that is like the opposite of that... they have started doing hypermarkets that are grocery stores with a Target-sized amount of non-grocery stuff tacked on to it.

HELP! I'm going to Europe Megathread: stop talking about fuckin hypermarkets tho

HEBs in Texas sell televisions, jewelry, tires, and God knows what else. I was there for jalapeños and found myself in the big screen TVs and was just loving confused.

Also, I love these tangential discussions about regional variety. When I was in southern Spain, it was a headache to find a market that stayed open after 7 pm when I just wanted a six-pack of beers.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
The variations on where and when you can buy beer, wine, liquor and tobacco are some of my favourite cultural distinctions, as frustrating as they may be at times.

EDIT: I'm half cut so I may be misjudging, but I feel this post works best if you read it in my avatar's voice :v:

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

PT6A posted:

The variations on where and when you can buy beer, wine, liquor and tobacco are some of my favourite cultural distinctions, as frustrating as they may be at times.

EDIT: I'm half cut so I may be misjudging, but I feel this post works best if you read it in my avatar's voice :v:

Norway was the loving worst for this. It’s 5pm on a Saturday and I want to grab a couple of beers at the supermarket then watch the World Cup. Lol nope sorry, no alcohol sales until Monday!

In Australia there were literal riots and a premier had to resign when alcohol stores had to close at 10pm every night instead of midnight

Hip Flask
Dec 14, 2010

Zip Mask
You must've been in the Norwegian Bible belt. Most places, you can buy lovely pilsners untill 6 pm on Saturdays. Ain't that luxurious

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
It was at a campground on the outskirts of Oslo, though admittedly it might’ve been just on 6pm

Shut up Meg
Jan 8, 2019

You're safe here.
Anyone familiar with dusseldorf?

I'd like to find somewhere reasonable to eat some traditional german food (roast pig knuckle), but most of the places I can find are all about the beer.

Which I appreciate is part of the deal, but not being much of a drinker who hates the smell of cigarettes, I'd prefer something where the food is not so much of an afterthought. (I must have seen two dozen such places an not a single personwas eating anything)

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
There’s a Germany-specific thread which gets a bit of traffic, maybe try asking in there?

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Shut up Meg posted:

Anyone familiar with dusseldorf?

I'd like to find somewhere reasonable to eat some traditional german food (roast pig knuckle), but most of the places I can find are all about the beer.

Which I appreciate is part of the deal, but not being much of a drinker who hates the smell of cigarettes, I'd prefer something where the food is not so much of an afterthought. (I must have seen two dozen such places an not a single personwas eating anything)
Not really familiar, but googling "Schweinshaxe Düsseldorf" spits out:
- Brauerei zum Schiffchen
- Brauerei im Füchschen (not sure about this: reviews often mention the Schweinshaxe, but the online menu doesn't have it)
- Schweine Janes (mostly known for sandwiches but apparently they do have sit-down menus and Haxe)

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
Traditional German food in Germany is almost inevitably served in a Brauhaus, where many people go to drink and which may appear to be all about the beer. They go there for the food too though. It's hard to find any other type of place that has it, people eat it either at a Brauhaus-like place, a christmas market, or at home. The only fancy restaurants with traditional German food I remember are outside Germany. There are probably exceptions to this but I don't think I've found them (only lived in Germany for 4 months though, apart from visits).

Perhaps if no one was eating you were there later than the German dinner hour, which is pretty early? Or they go there to eat at lunch, as lunch is traditionally the main meal of the day there.
Haven't been to Dusseldorf so I can't recommend anything there specifically.

Entropist fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Feb 10, 2019

Shut up Meg
Jan 8, 2019

You're safe here.
Thanks MLH, that third one looked like what I was after.

I would have gone this evening except a) torrential rain and b) I got in a light hearted pissing match with some locals about who could stand the highest heat in a sauna and utterly lost and broiled myself.

E, I get what you mean and I appreciate that I am after drinking food without too much of the drinking, but every bar I went into had no tables, just the chest high planks of wood and dour men drinking halves of beer. I know I am fussy, but I like a chair when I eat. Also, never a sign of a great eatery when not a single piece of food is in sight. In the whole 'street long bar' I saw a single basket of garlic bread.

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.

Entropist posted:

Traditional German food in Germany is almost inevitably served in a Brauhaus, where many people go to drink and which may appear to be all about the beer. They go there for the food too though. It's hard to find any other type of place that has it, people eat it either at a Brauhaus-like place, a christmas market, or at home. The only fancy restaurants with traditional German food I remember are outside Germany. There are probably exceptions to this but I don't think I've found them (only lived in Germany for 4 months though, apart from visits).

Perhaps if no one was eating you were there later than the German dinner hour, which is pretty early? Or they go there to eat at lunch, as lunch is traditionally the main meal of the day there.
Haven't been to Dusseldorf so I can't recommend anything there specifically.

These places exist and they can be quite popular sometimes. The keyword to look for is "gehobene deutsche Küche".

reitetsu
Sep 27, 2009

Should you find yourself here one day... In accordance with your crimes, you can rest assured I will give you the treatment you deserve.
I spent a good portion of yesterday looking at our itinerary for Italy. I started to list things to do in Turin and realized that yeah, 8 nights is perhaps too much. Plus, my partner was able to finagle being away from work for three weeks instead of just two. We're now looking at 5 nights in Turin, 3 in Asti, 5 in Florence, 1 somewhere between Florence and Rome, and 4 in Rome before flying back via Delta. I'm also open to flexibility if we (don't) love a given place, and I hadn't really considered renting a car before I posted here, lol. Finally, I forgot that Florence is one of the places my partner hasn't been, so I'm feeling pretty good about these adjustments. I've some cool hotels, too.

Thank you to everyone for the insight and feedback! :)

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
5 nights in Florence is way too many, and I say that as an art nerd that hates Florence but still, even objectively, that's too many. Do 5 in Turin, 3 in Asti, 3 in Florence and the rest in Rome. You will want those extra days in Rome, believe me.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



I just spent a week in Rome, after spending a long weekend there 1.5 years ago, and we still want to go back because there's stuff we just didn't get to see. You're never going to look at an itinerary and say "gently caress, we booked too many nights in Rome."

Lady Gaza
Nov 20, 2008

HookShot posted:

5 nights in Florence is way too many, and I say that as an art nerd that hates Florence but still, even objectively, that's too many. Do 5 in Turin, 3 in Asti, 3 in Florence and the rest in Rome. You will want those extra days in Rome, believe me.

Yeah I loved Florence but we had 3 and that was fine. Maybe if we’d done more day trips into the countryside we could’ve had more.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010
I've spent maybe 15 days in Rome over the past few years and, while I've done/seen pretty much everything in the city itself that I have wanted to by this point, there are a ton of nearby easy daytrips that I still haven't done, like going to Castel Gandolfo or Tivoli. And I don't even like museums all that much, except for modern art and pre-Renaissance artifacts. (Sorry, every museum in Paris.)

I know I suggested a car in the first place, but in your updated itinerary, Morcant, I would not take that car south of Florence. It's a total liability in Rome and you'll never want it there. If you do rent, then get it when leaving Turin and drop it off when arriving in Florence. If you want to see the Florentine countryside, do that before Florence because there you'd really want a car except Siena, which is easily reached by train and is a great place.

Your new itinerary seems way better to me generally, and that extra week helps a lot -- now you can see both the ultra-touristy but ultra-unique parts of Italy as well as the French-esque part of Italy.

Note that parking in Italy can be annoying and confusing, as can the "ZTLs". ZTLs blow because they are often very confusing and poorly marked, and in a rental Italian car they will find you and fine you for any camera-monitored ZZTL. So watch out for Florence if you're not dropping the car off outside the city when you arrive. Some ZTLs are monitored by cameras and they will 100% find you, whereas others are paper ZTLs that may be monitored by cops occasionally (e.g. Bologna, and many smaller villages). I try to respect foreign traffic laws when I'm there, but Italy makes it hard and I have driven through a number of ZTLs. IIRC the ones in Florence are clearly signed and even have lights warning you.

I have never received a parking ticket in Italy but I would guess they're not more than a few euros and you'd have to go into a post office to pay them before you leave the country. My rationale in Italy is that the parking is often so confusing that I'll just pay a fine when I find a ticket on my car, but I've never found a ticket on my car. Given the way everyone parks in Italy, I'm not sure traffic cops / meter maids even exist outside of central Milan.

reitetsu
Sep 27, 2009

Should you find yourself here one day... In accordance with your crimes, you can rest assured I will give you the treatment you deserve.

HookShot posted:

5 nights in Florence is way too many, and I say that as an art nerd that hates Florence but still, even objectively, that's too many. Do 5 in Turin, 3 in Asti, 3 in Florence and the rest in Rome. You will want those extra days in Rome, believe me.

Lady Gaza posted:

Yeah I loved Florence but we had 3 and that was fine. Maybe if we’d done more day trips into the countryside we could’ve had more.

Noted, thanks! Neither I nor my partner have ever been to Florence, so I doubly appreciate this.

greazeball posted:

I just spent a week in Rome, after spending a long weekend there 1.5 years ago, and we still want to go back because there's stuff we just didn't get to see. You're never going to look at an itinerary and say "gently caress, we booked too many nights in Rome."

That's honestly part of why I shied away from Rome in the first place, "If I can't see everything why see anything", but I realized how misguided that was. Even some amount of time is better than none, and it's not like we're not planning on coming back to Italy sometime! Especially if I swap things around for a total of 6 nights in Rome, that's a lot of time to get a start on seeing things.

Saladman posted:

I've spent maybe 15 days in Rome over the past few years and, while I've done/seen pretty much everything in the city itself that I have wanted to by this point, there are a ton of nearby easy daytrips that I still haven't done, like going to Castel Gandolfo or Tivoli. And I don't even like museums all that much, except for modern art and pre-Renaissance artifacts. (Sorry, every museum in Paris.)

I know I suggested a car in the first place, but in your updated itinerary, Morcant, I would not take that car south of Florence. It's a total liability in Rome and you'll never want it there. If you do rent, then get it when leaving Turin and drop it off when arriving in Florence. If you want to see the Florentine countryside, do that before Florence because there you'd really want a car except Siena, which is easily reached by train and is a great place.

Your new itinerary seems way better to me generally, and that extra week helps a lot -- now you can see both the ultra-touristy but ultra-unique parts of Italy as well as the French-esque part of Italy.

I was looking at the distance between Florence and Rome and realized just how little I want to drive anywhere near Rome. The only wrinkle in ditching the car in Florence is that we want to go to Bomarzo to see the Parco dei Mostri, though there appears to be a rail stop in Attigliano, which is about 5km from our destination, so. I'll investigate the basic question of how to get from point A to point B (and then the point C of Rome).

Saladman posted:

Note that parking in Italy can be annoying and confusing, as can the "ZTLs". ZTLs blow because they are often very confusing and poorly marked, and in a rental Italian car they will find you and fine you for any camera-monitored ZZTL. So watch out for Florence if you're not dropping the car off outside the city when you arrive. Some ZTLs are monitored by cameras and they will 100% find you, whereas others are paper ZTLs that may be monitored by cops occasionally (e.g. Bologna, and many smaller villages). I try to respect foreign traffic laws when I'm there, but Italy makes it hard and I have driven through a number of ZTLs. IIRC the ones in Florence are clearly signed and even have lights warning you.

I have never received a parking ticket in Italy but I would guess they're not more than a few euros and you'd have to go into a post office to pay them before you leave the country. My rationale in Italy is that the parking is often so confusing that I'll just pay a fine when I find a ticket on my car, but I've never found a ticket on my car. Given the way everyone parks in Italy, I'm not sure traffic cops / meter maids even exist outside of central Milan.

I'd heard a little bit about the ZTLs, but that's some great info - thank you! It does seem possible to drop the car off outside Florence, assuming I can figure out the last legs of our trip figured out as mentioned above. I also have very little idea about parking, but our hotels claim they have parking available. Neither of us are bad drivers, but I'm expecting to get some variety of fine or parking ticket just because neither of us have ever driven in another country before, and despite our best efforts we'll more than likely blunder down a ZTL street or park wrong or something.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010
One nice thing about Europe is they don’t tow cars unless you like park in a loading zone for critical medicine for disabled children, so the worst you have to worry about is like a €12 fine and the hassle of waiting in line at a post office to pay it. (Do not go home without paying parking tickets in advance, should you get any; the car rental agencies add absurd fees on top of the cops have to chase them down). ZTL fines can be huge though, and for camera operated ones you can get a fine every time you pass it, which leads to things like lost British tourists getting €2000 in ZTL fines because they kept driving circles around central Florence looking for their hotel.

Lady Gaza
Nov 20, 2008

I got a train from Rome to Florence, it was quite convenient

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
This is kind of a stupid question but I've never made a connection in Europe, I've only landed/departed from hubs. I have a trip MSP-CDG-NAP this summer. Coming in to the US you always have to collect your checked bags, go through customs, and then drop your bags back off so that they can be put on your connection. My understanding is that isn't the case in the EU and since I'm on one ticket for the whole itinerary I will not need to collect bags and go through customs in CDG, just passport control - my bags will get to Naples without me physically carrying them through a customs checkpoint. Is that correct? I won't see my bags at all between Minneapolis and Naples?

orange sky
May 7, 2007

In pretty much all my connecting flights with checked baggage that's what happened - even outside of europe

reitetsu
Sep 27, 2009

Should you find yourself here one day... In accordance with your crimes, you can rest assured I will give you the treatment you deserve.

Saladman posted:

One nice thing about Europe is they don’t tow cars unless you like park in a loading zone for critical medicine for disabled children, so the worst you have to worry about is like a €12 fine and the hassle of waiting in line at a post office to pay it. (Do not go home without paying parking tickets in advance, should you get any; the car rental agencies add absurd fees on top of the cops have to chase them down). ZTL fines can be huge though, and for camera operated ones you can get a fine every time you pass it, which leads to things like lost British tourists getting €2000 in ZTL fines because they kept driving circles around central Florence looking for their hotel.

:stare: I see. Well, based on that, I'll scout out parking spaces before we arrive (before we depart for somewhere new more like) to make sure we don't get hosed fine-wise. I found a $1 app that claims to show all the ZTLs, including one near enough to our hotel in Asti that I'm very glad to be aware of it. Also, the hotel I booked for Florence is inside a ZTL, but claims parking is available? I'll have to ask them how that works, exactly.

Lady Gaza posted:

I got a train from Rome to Florence, it was quite convenient

Yeah, I'm sure the public transit between Rome and Florence is wonderful, I just don't know if it'll work for us this time around. I think I'm gonna see about if I can get a car that has a returns place on the periphery of Rome or something, then we'll just make our way to our hotel from there via bus or taxi or whatever. I've driven in the downtowns of American cities and hated that enough, I don't need the experience of driving in the heart of Rome.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
LOL even the periphery of Rome is going to destroy you if you can't stand driving in American cities. Just take the train from Florence, it takes two hours and is a zero-stress situation.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Shut up Meg posted:

Anyone familiar with dusseldorf?

I'd like to find somewhere reasonable to eat some traditional german food (roast pig knuckle), but most of the places I can find are all about the beer.

Which I appreciate is part of the deal, but not being much of a drinker who hates the smell of cigarettes, I'd prefer something where the food is not so much of an afterthought. (I must have seen two dozen such places an not a single personwas eating anything)

Füchschen is exactly what you want. Their schweinhaxe is delicious and their altbier made me like beer for the first time. I'm not exaggerating. (I'm 35.)

I had a whole week in Dusseldorf in August by myself while my wife was at a conference, so I tried all the breweries for both food and drink, and Fuchschen was the best at both. As far as cigarettes, as long as you sit inside it should be fine, speaking as someone who can't stand smoke either.

Edit: lots of real tables inside.

Beachcomber fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Feb 12, 2019

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Thoguh posted:

This is kind of a stupid question but I've never made a connection in Europe, I've only landed/departed from hubs. I have a trip MSP-CDG-NAP this summer. Coming in to the US you always have to collect your checked bags, go through customs, and then drop your bags back off so that they can be put on your connection. My understanding is that isn't the case in the EU and since I'm on one ticket for the whole itinerary I will not need to collect bags and go through customs in CDG, just passport control - my bags will get to Naples without me physically carrying them through a customs checkpoint. Is that correct? I won't see my bags at all between Minneapolis and Naples?

I've travelled on four continents and only in the United States have I ever had to collect and then recheck my luggage while making a connection.

That being said, give yourself plenty of layover time in CDG anyway. It's... certainly an airport.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Saladman posted:

One nice thing about Europe is they don’t tow cars unless you like park in a loading zone for critical medicine for disabled children, so the worst you have to worry about is like a €12 fine and the hassle of waiting in line at a post office to pay it.

In the Netherlands it's closer to a 100 EUR fine (more if you're blocking traffic) and I *think* they send the bill directly to the registered owner of the car based on license plate, so yes, you will always have to pay whatever fee the rental company puts on top. And yes, this even works if it's a license plate from anywhere else in Europe.

Don't underestimate European parking fines based on one example.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Carbon dioxide posted:

In the Netherlands it's closer to a 100 EUR fine (more if you're blocking traffic) and I *think* they send the bill directly to the registered owner of the car based on license plate, so yes, you will always have to pay whatever fee the rental company puts on top. And yes, this even works if it's a license plate from anywhere else in Europe.

Don't underestimate European parking fines based on one example.

€100?? That's nuts. I got a parking fine in Amsterdam about 6 years ago because lot parking was like €5/hr and I wanted to park for the entire weekend and was certain the fine would be less than the legal parking fee. Which is often the case in big cities, but I guess a lot of European cities have been progressively cracking down on cars in cities in every way that they can, which IMO is a good thing. Parking tickets are still usually $40 in Switzerland, and they have been the same price since at least 2009. Major parking fines like blocking a loading zone are $120 + towing fees if you're not around before the tow truck gets there. The last two parking tickets I got in France were on the order of €12, which was far cheaper than paying for parking and the mental stress of worrying about refilling a meter every 4 hours or whatever.

Speaking of which I have seen clamps occasionally in Europe (and also Tunisia), although still pretty rare. I've never seen a clamp in Switzerland but I know this varies a lot between countries.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Feb 12, 2019

orange sky
May 7, 2007

Saladman posted:

€100?? That's nuts. I got a parking fine in Amsterdam about 6 years ago because lot parking was like €5/hr and I wanted to park for the entire weekend and was certain the fine would be less than the legal parking fee. Which is often the case in big cities, but I guess a lot of European cities have been progressively cracking down on cars in cities in every way that they can, which IMO is a good thing. Parking tickets are still usually $40 in Switzerland, and they have been the same price since at least 2009. Major parking fines like blocking a loading zone are $120 + towing fees if you're not around before the tow truck gets there. The last two parking tickets I got in France were on the order of €12, which was far cheaper than paying for parking and the mental stress of worrying about refilling a meter every 4 hours or whatever.

Speaking of which I have seen clamps occasionally in Europe (and also Tunisia), although still pretty rare. I've never seen a clamp in Switzerland but I know this varies a lot between countries.

In Lisbon, if you have a ticket that expires you get 30€

If you have no ticket at all they give you 30€, then clamp it and it's 110€, then tow it and it's 190€. The timings depend completely on whether there's clamps and tow trucks around, so good luck.

Good values, for a country where minimum wage is 600€.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010
Huh, I would... not have expected Portugal to care about parking. Is that exclusively a central Lisbon thing? Like in Tunisia the only place in the entire country with parking enforcement is the La Marsa beach area, and because it's the only area in the entire country with parking enforcement (including downtown Tunis, which has free street parking and no enforcement if it's not something extreme like double parking or blocking an entrance). Since it's the only part of the entire country with parking enforcement and, in all likelihood, the only such area in all of North Africa, it means a bunch of people always park there without paying... which means there's always someone going around clamping cars there. It's kind of hilarious but it would also piss me off if I was just some random visitor who drove up there and assumed it's free street parking because everywhere else in the entire country is free street parking.


It can also be unclear in a lot of places where there is "paid parking", where it is "free street parking", where it is "free street parking but only for X number of minutes based on your parking disc" etc. Especially for visitors who come from countries where parking discs do not exist, but even so it can be confusing, like is this "disc zone" good for an hour? Two hours? Does the disc zone take a lunch break (many do)? Is the disc zone valid on Sunday? Do I have to go through some terrible city's municipal website to figure this poo poo out and hope Google Translate works for Bulgarian? Does "blue lines" mean "disc parking" or "paid parking and I need to find a terminal somewhere"? (This also varies on country, e.g. in Switzerland blue zone == free for a random time that is never signed and you have to look up on municipal websites, but IIRC in Italy and France, it's the opposite, where white means "free for a random amount of time that is probably not signed anywhere" and blue means "go find where you can pay".)

Street parking worries me far more in the US given that the controllers go around constantly and the fines are typically pretty high, like $70. I don't think you'll ever get towed in Europe for a first time parking ticket in any legal spot. Like in your above example do they really (a) ticket, then (b) clamp, and (c) come back and tow your car in the same day if you park at 8am and don't pay and come back at 6pm? That's... insane and if that is what you meant, then maybe the Portuguese should spend less money on paying dozens of meter maids to do round-the-clock patrols.

E: In any case for Morcant, the Italians are not serious about parking fines, but they are serious about ZTLs, especially in Florence. If your hotel is in a ZTL, you will need to have your car license plate pre registered with the ZTL. Do not drive to the hotel and assume that afterwards they can validate your ZTL entrance.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Feb 12, 2019

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Saladman posted:

Like in your above example do they really (a) ticket, then (b) clamp, and (c) come back and tow your car in the same day if you park at 8am and don't pay and come back at 6pm? That's... insane and if that is what you meant, then maybe the Portuguese should spend less money on paying dozens of meter maids to do round-the-clock patrols.

This is exactly what happens. If you leave your car at 8 am you might come back to an empty spot at 6 pm.

It's mainly a Lisbon thing, but all the big cities are starting to have paid parking. Paid parking usually has signs indicating that it's paid:



"Pago" means paid. Lisbon has 3 zones, green is cheap, yellow is more expensive, red is absurdly expensive and more monitored (downtown, main avenues).

It's a municipal company that's reponsible for parking, so they have free rein to operate. They then use the money they make to build more parking places, renew old ones, etc. It's one of the most hated companies in Portugal:
https://portaldaqueixa.com/marcas/emel

Things have improved since ePark has been released. It's an app you can charge and then use to pay for the parking without using coins or going to the meter.

Still, all of this is part of the strategy to get cars out of Lisbon, and I'm very much behind that.

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