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PenguinSalsa posted:Stupid question Yooper: If we get through the SAM screen, can we land and refuel/rearm in Bulgaria or is it too dangerous due to (plot)? Once in Arsenal territory we may base assets at our leisure. This is part of the "penalty" for rescuing EUNATO pilots first. Otherwise had we done tank busting first the corridor to Bulgaria would be mostly open. Of course there would've been a tradeoff if we'd left the pilots to fate.
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PenguinSalsa posted:Stupid question Yooper: If we get through the SAM screen, can we land and refuel/rearm in Bulgaria or is it too dangerous due to (plot)? I mean, we do have a pair of actual transport aircraft that we basically never use so we can stuff whatever we need in them, fly them through the gap and then stick them into some provincial airport or half-decrepit MiG base while the rest of the package does the mission and then recovers to the same place once the groundcrews have swept up the FOD and shaken the rats out of the fuel system.
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I think we can bust the SAM screen, so I'm a No on the Greeks. For mission planners: you'll want to use the Reaper to locate a site - you won't locate all the sites this way, but once you have one you can designate that the target. You won't get through the screen if you don't see the SPYDER site at the very least, so it's critical to pick your target after you find a SPYDER.
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FrangibleCover posted:I mean, we do have a pair of actual transport aircraft that we basically never use so we can stuff whatever we need in them, fly them through the gap and then stick them into some provincial airport or half-decrepit MiG base while the rest of the package does the mission and then recovers to the same place once the groundcrews have swept up the FOD and shaken the rats out of the fuel system. Definitely, that would be the fun way to do it. It depends on how much time we have though, it'll probably take a while to fly in the crew and prepare the base(s) and we might not have time for that if we only have an average 60-90 min video to do the entire mission. In that case it'd be nice to have bases waiting for us. It's up to Yooper really but I like your idea. Another idea for the transport aircraft could be to to use them to fly in more munitions if we only have, say, one load of Meteors per Gripen unless we fly in more from Gjäder. PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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So since it was brought up recently when we were talking about large, potentially dangerous powers that we have little info on.....what are the Turks doing right now? It may be worthwhile to let Bulgaria fall if the big bag (former) Ottoblob will pay us to roll in with them and...."Restore Democracy"! Or you know, just knowing where the heck they stand in this whole crisis works too. As for the Greek situation.......I seem to remember an Aesop about an overconfident young man who flew to close to the sun, got burned and then crashed horrifically to the ground. So perhaps we should stay away from the Greeks for a bit.
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ResidentRampant posted:So since it was brought up recently when we were talking about large, potentially dangerous powers that we have little info on.....what are the Turks doing right now? It may be worthwhile to let Bulgaria fall if the big bag (former) Ottoblob will pay us to roll in with them and...."Restore Democracy"! Or you know, just knowing where the heck they stand in this whole crisis works too. The Turkish Government issued a blanket statement condemning the conflict, operations, etc. etc. They've got a ton of troubles in the east and internally. Now if the conflict spread, say someone mined the Dardanelles, they'd likely take more of an interest.
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Jan 30, 2019 14:59
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We should absolutely mine the Dardanelles and pin it on our enemies.
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Yooper posted:The Turkish Government issued a blanket statement condemning the conflict, operations, etc. etc. They've got a ton of troubles in the east and internally. Now if the conflict spread, say someone mined the Dardanelles, they'd likely take more of an interest. What if we spread some disinformation that ROMARM has brought in Fethullah Gülen to prepare for expansion into Anatolia?
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glynnenstein posted:We should absolutely mine the Dardanelles and pin it on our enemies. It's almost a shame to buy all of these USN strike aircraft and then not mine the Dardanelles.
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Top Level Planning We're going to need to be able to operate freely in Bulgaria to be able to respond with enough speed to whatever ROMARM is doing- if we have to knock our way through continually shifting air defenses in Macedonia and Kosovo we're boned. That means we need to do 1. SEAD enough of the hostiles in Kosovo & Macedonia to allow our planes to get into Bulgarian airspace and Bulgarian airports; and 2. Rebase assets to Sofia airport, including taking both transport planes with PGMs and A2A missiles. I assume they'll have avgas for us there, and that the Bulgarians will have their own SAM assets to make sure we're not killed on the runway. Once we're into Bulgarian airspace, we should be able to beat the poo poo out of any armored formations in the mountain passes- they won't have a ton of emplaced AA assets or radar AND we can probably collapse the passes so they're stuck on a highway for us to pick off at our leisure/give us time to deal with that amphibious end run. Greek Question Voting NO on the Greeks, I have no desire to be beholden to a non-paying customer, much less one who'll probably use us to try and seize air superiority over Cyprus or something. Assets Available Correct me where I'm wrong, but this is what we have, yeah? Air Superiority Gripen x 8 Bison x 7 Mud Movers Tornado x 6 MiG-27K x 2 Kfir x2 Mirage x 1 Stealthy Mud Movers F-117 x 3 EWA & Intelligence Reaper x 2 Prowler x1 S100B Support KC-135 x1 VC10 x1 C-130 x1 CN-235-200 x1
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The Mirage might be better classified as an ELINT/Recon asset. It can't carry that much air to mud ordinance, but its recon and esm packages make it unique from both a gameplay and storytelling perspective.
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Pretty sure there should be some Intruders on that list too. edit: 4 Intruders and 4 Akefs. http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2327/ http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1771/ slothrop fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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slothrop posted:Pretty sure there should be some Intruders on that list too. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3815107#post470816891 2nd post should have it all. The graphic may not be spot on but the list below it is. (I think).
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How many SDBs do we have? Can we start the day by glide-bombing all the previously known SAM positions? I doubt ROMARM are going to have the discipline to continually move their batteries.
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wiegieman posted:How many SDBs do we have? Can we start the day by glide-bombing all the previously known SAM positions? I doubt ROMARM are going to have the discipline to continually move their batteries. So at one time I said there was a NOCOMM / NO GPS area. After a lot of testing it's just a pain in the rear end. As I had it units would lose comms and go about the mission, then return. While interesting as a single player campaign, it can be frustrating on our end. That being said we'll do away with the NOCOMM but I'm working on a GPS jamming script to keep it interesting. That said SDB's are great, and you can use them at will, but eventually our opponents will get wise and try a new tactic. Ie, don't abuse it.
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I see we have access to Bezmer Airbase, which is a joint US and Bulgarian military base in 2018. Is that still the case at the current time in Yooperverse?
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habeasdorkus posted:I see we have access to Bezmer Airbase, which is a joint US and Bulgarian military base in 2018. Is that still the case at the current time in Yooperverse? Yes. Any airbase, airfield, long field, is viable south of the Balkan mountains.
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quote:SECRET//NOFORN/NOCOMP Initial concerns 1) Sofia International/Vrazhdebna Air Base appears to only have one runway. It may make sense to rebase our strike craft to Plovdiv. We also apparently have access to the joint US and Bulgarian airbase at Bezmer, which will be useful if we need more runways. 2) We might be asking too much of our SEAD to knock out all four of those SAM sites and the jammer at once so that the rest of our forces can get through to Bulgarian airspace. I'd appreciate if someone with the game could put up a circle for the rough area of engagement for those SAMs, we might be able to get away with leaving 1-2 of them intact and going through a narrower corridor. 3a) I'm very much a novice grog, and don't own the game, so I'm sure there's some massive tactical errors in my plan. Please feel free to point them out, and if there's simple fixes to them. 3b) That especially goes for the loadouts for planes, I know Meteors = Good for A2A and that SDB's = Good for Strike Missions, but I don't know what types of PGMs are better than others or whether my force disposition is even possible (e.g. if the initial CAP will be bingo fuel when we need them providing cover for the mountain pass strikes) 4) Because of 3a & 3b I haven't yet assigned planes to their different groups yet. That's mainly because I'm not sure how many/which airframes to use.
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habeasdorkus posted:Initial concerns  Its a good framework, and I'm a novice grog as well, so,  My thoughts at this time is, if the objective is to punch through the AD line and rebase in Bulgaria, is there really a need to take out all four SAM sites at the western border? Why not minimize risk and just punch through one or two of them to achieve the corridor we need?
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Overextending ourselves trying to take out more SAM sites than necessary is a valid concern. We've seen what modern air defenses can do to our munitions. We really need to saturate a site to guarantee it's knocked out. Add to this potential complications with our GPS guided bombs (SDB's) and a SAM system that doesn't need radar to fire. It seems to me we'd be better off concentrating on as few sites as practical.
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how mobile are these sam launchers? we don't want to blast a corridor and then have them close it when we fly back
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If we're rebased to Bulgaria, then we're going to be able to run ops to take out the SAMS before returning to Gjader. As for the number of targets, that was something I was concerned about. It may make the most sense to kill the jammer and the two closest SAM sites, and leave the two in the south alone for now.
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I think the UK defense secretary has been reading this thread. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/defence-officials-baffled-by-armed-tractors-and-gavin-williamsons-other-bizarre-plans-svjpqtbqt quote:Gavin Williamson, the defence secretary, has mystified officials with a series of “bizarre” and outlandish ideas including fitting guns to tractors.
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Feb 12, 2019 12:01
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That is straight out of ac7.
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Russia has already experimented with disguising ASMs and AAMs to freight containers and they think it's viable.
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Triple A posted:Russia has already experimented with disguising ASMs and AAMs to freight containers and they think it's viable. Hell yeah
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Didn't we just eat a bunch of these 2 missions back?
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Saros posted:I think the UK defense secretary has been reading this thread. 'No-Deal May' and Brexit is making all 'em folks a little wonky.
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New PMC! Does anyone have a link to the big tracking sheet? Argus  Description Argus is not a Private Military Company in the traditional sense, although they do operate with a French PMC license as a convenience. As the age of corporate warfare has hotted up there has been a huge increase in the number of pilots ejecting and most major PMCs and corporations, Hayard Gunnes being a notable exception, regard ejection as voluntary severance from the company. This leaves hundred of pilots per year landing all over the world with little hope of rescue, some heavily injured or far from civilisation. Argus was founded to rescue these pilots by the world’s major ejector seat manufacturers; Martin-Baker, United Technologies Corporation and Zvezda; as an investment in their future profits and as something of a publicity stunt. They are currently funded almost entirely by charitable donations through their corporate backers and through the Punch Out! music festival held yearly at Cazaux in France. Argus’ name does not originally come from the Greek guardian with a hundred eyes, although the company has certainly adopted the imagery, but from the core of its operations, the hospital ship Argus. Originally a British RFA, Argus was purchased and refitted in 2021 as the reality of the new world order became clear and has done yeoman’s work rescuing pilots with its embarked air group of Merlins ever since. The seas are now more dangerous than they have been since the Second World War and Argus has already shot down a stray SS-N-2 Styx missile with her point defences and driven off an unidentified submarine with her Merlin HM.1. For missions in particularly high risk area Argus can also embark her Yak-141 air superiority fighter and a full Iron Dome battery on the aft landing area. Argus herself is but a part of Argus’ resources though, and Argus field hospitals and CSAR helicopters are a common sight in any conflict zone throughout the world. Assets: 1x A 135 Argus (1998) Low intensity CAG: 5x AW.101 Merlin Mk.611 CSAR 1x Merlin HM.1 (2009, DAS) High intensity CAG: 1x EL/M-2084 MMR 3x Iron Dome launch units 1x Yak-141 (2015) 3x AW.101 Merlin Mk.611 CSAR 1x Merlin HM.1 (2009, DAS) Assorted other Merlin Mk.611s, EC.145s, HC.130s and field hospitals.
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So it's the A-Team for mercenary airmen? It seems like this should be fiction.
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Kesper North posted:So it's the A-Team for mercenary airmen? Trust this man. I've gotten drunk with him before.
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Saros posted:I think the UK defense secretary has been reading this thread. Triple A posted:Russia has already experimented with disguising ASMs and AAMs to freight containers and they think it's viable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbl9CZ9tOI
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Yvonmukluk posted:It's not just missile defence systems you need to worry about being hidden in trucks... You know, when I clicked on that link I was expecting Ace Combat 7, not Dahir Insaat. ...It never ceases to amuse me that Dahir is trying their level best to introduce Ace Combat superweapons into reality.
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To be fair, Dahir Insaat has prior art on that one by a number of years.
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Yvonmukluk posted:It's not just missile defence systems you need to worry about being hidden in trucks... 
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If you haven't seen them before the Dahir Insaat stuff is an amazing exercise in hilariously expensive stupidity. All of those Retsuprae videos are fantastic.
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Dr. Snark posted:If you haven't seen them before the Dahir Insaat stuff is an amazing exercise in hilariously expensive stupidity. All of those Retsuprae videos are fantastic. Somehow I've managed to miss it all before so I'm experiencing this batshit awesome insanity for the very first time.
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