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Helsing posted:Weird how the Nazis spent so many resources on internal policing and suppression when "almost everyone" was apparently totally fine with their government. If you didn't know any better you might think there was a lot of violent street fighting and political resistance to the Nazis that required them to resort to massive state terror to consolidate their hold on power. Well yeah if you had the same circumstances a resistor had, you'd be a resistor. But had the same external stimuli that a guard had, you'd be a guard. Unless you think there's a genetic component to you that makes you morally better.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Well yeah if you had the same circumstances a resistor had, you'd be a resistor. It's Ohm's law.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Well yeah if you had the same circumstances a resistor had, you'd be a resistor. But had the same external stimuli that a guard had, you'd be a guard. Unless you think there's a genetic component to you that makes you morally better. Yeah sure let's retreat into this completely sincere disavowal of all free will and say no punishment or blame is ever legitimate in any circumstances whatsoever, because apparently that is easier for you to swallow than accepting that actually Nazism was a right-wing ideology that was strongly opposed by a lot of socialists, trade unionists and communists - many of whom died fighting - while gaining support from centrists and conservatives.
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Feb 11, 2019 20:36
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if i were a betting man, i'd say this was some umpteen dimensional chess to maneuver into an argument about personal responsibility that obliquely compares nazi collaborators and people for whom "circumstantial considerations" are given during sentencing. don't know why. just got a gut feeling on this one.
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infernal machines posted:if i were a betting man, i'd say this was some umpteen dimensional chess to maneuver into an argument about personal responsibility that obliquely compares nazi collaborators and people for whom "circumstantial considerations" are given during sentencing. since we are all just products of circumstance with no free will, how can we judge a man who murdered an indigenous sex worker when we accept that concentration camp guards were just doing their jobs
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Helsing posted:Yeah sure let's retreat into this completely sincere disavowal of all free will and say no punishment or blame is ever legitimate in any circumstances whatsoever, because apparently that is easier for you to swallow than accepting that actually Nazism was a right-wing ideology that was strongly opposed by a lot of socialists, trade unionists and communists - many of whom died fighting - while gaining support from centrists and conservatives. "there are very fine people on both sides oh wait no there aren't one side are communists, let's appoint the other side chancellor so he can throw the communists in camps" - paul von hindenburg
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If Nazis are circumstantially and genetically predisposed to being Nazis, I'm the result of a multi-generational breeding project for fighting Nazis. Killing Nazis - a Canadian and family tradition.
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Feb 11, 2019 20:49
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You guys are so obsessed with punishment. It's an argument that evil isn't innate.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:You guys are so obsessed with punishment. It's an argument that evil isn't innate. Stop trying to blame society for your posting
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i blame rural ontario
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infernal machines posted:i blame rural ontario Rural ontario isn't the problem, they're expected to be backwards fuckups, and there are hardly any of them. The real probably is suburban Ontario. "I recycle religiously, but a carbon tax on big business makes you literally hitler. Employ TFWs to lower my payroll costs, but want closed borders now"
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Feb 11, 2019 21:06
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Suburban Ontario is pretty much rural Ontario
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i should note that i was joking, and that's the kind of thing people in the gtha say and it doesn't endear us to the rest of the province there's suburban/exurban southern ontario and there's rural ontario and they are not the same thing at all
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Given that ikantski is a computer janitor who lives outside Barrie the biggest difference between him and any other suburbanite is presumably the fact that he occasionally hangs out in a tree house shooting any horny deer that is unlikely enough to walk directly into his line of fire.
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infernal machines posted:i should note that i was joking, and that's the kind of thing people in the gtha say and it doesn't endear us to the rest of the province Yeah, southern ontario is like the LA metro, and northern Ontario is like the rest of California. Thunder Bay is the next San Francisco, start speculating on real estate now!
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Powershift posted:Thunder Bay is the next San Francisco massively overpriced, under developed, and full of assholes?
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infernal machines posted:massively overpriced, under developed, and full of assholes? And people making GBS threads on the sidewalk everywhere
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Max "legendary freedom pokeon" Bernier is having a completely normal one with respect to a Canadian going on RuPaul's drag race https://twitter.com/MaximeBernier/status/1095333349227409408
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I gotta say it's a bold move going after the source of a literal majority of twitter's response gifs.
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men building pipelines being toxic masculinity is a pretty good one
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Dreylad posted:men building pipelines being toxic masculinity is a pretty good one I guess that's a reference to those comments Trudeau made about how hosed the culture gets on oil projects where it's all men a million miles from civilization. I remember a bunch of conservatives trying to work themselves into a frenzy over it and the oil workers were like "no, he's pretty much got right."
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RuPaul is a bunch of toxic masculinity himself so Bernier is like half right?
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I liked this headline in the Star this week https://twitter.com/OpenCCE/status/1094963825365929985 Is it really a problem if they're the exact constituency you're courting?  e: I see this as a great example of how even "progressive" media normalizes far right politics
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Hand Knit posted:Max "legendary freedom pokeon" Bernier is having a completely normal one with respect to a Canadian going on RuPaul's drag race Max Bernier, known reddit meme aggregator.
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i cant wait for bernier to lose so people stop doing this loving yellow vest thing
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trudeaus going to destroy sheer in the next election and then bernier will rise up and win the next one. i just hope he drops the racist poo poo and doubles down on libertarianism
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:bernier will rise up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lleKOuml52Y
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the racist poo poo is his entire platform and raison d'etre. his party literally only exists because he was so overtly racist the CPC had to censure him.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:i just hope (the grand wizard) drops the racist poo poo and doubles down on (secret society stuff)
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if anything at least bernier is showing that racism and libertarianism are two peas in a pod
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Another Bill posted:Is it really a problem if they're the exact constituency you're courting? bernier consistently says he isn't courting them, nazis are just drawn to him for some inexplicable reason
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~*covers himself in deer piss*~ I don't get it, these bucks are just really into me
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racism is incompatible with libertarianism. its the conservative branch of him/his party thats leaking all the xenophobia
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do you have some pictures of this conservative branch? i don't think i've every seen anything like that growing out of bernier
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"libertarianism" unsurprisingly means shaming gay and non-gender conforming people every chance you get
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:racism is incompatible with libertarianism. its the conservative branch of him/his party thats leaking all the xenophobia Juul-Whip has issued a correction as of 19:16 on Feb 12, 2019 |
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the Maxime Bernier party's first candidate to stand for election is a woman who spent the last 20 years trying to censor the existence of gay people from public schools. such "libertarianism" my god, if only they'd do something about all the racism they keep inconveniently revealing! that's the only real problem!!
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THC posted:the racism is "leaking" out meaning it should be kept out of public view but it's ultimately normal that hatred and a desire for segregation lies at the core of every "libertarian" oh sorry friend the market decided that we don't sell to black people in this town, good thing no one can force us to because restricting what we do with our property is slavery
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THC posted:the racism is "leaking" out meaning it should be kept out of public view but it's ultimately normal that hatred and a desire for segregation lies at the core of every "libertarian" live and let live = hatred and a desire for segregation vyelkin posted:oh sorry friend the market decided that we don't sell to black people in this town, good thing no one can force us to because restricting what we do with our property is slavery anyone who would discriminate against a whole race of people is not for individualism in any way. corporate fascism is not libertarian. i swear its the most misunderstood phillosophy out there smoke sumthin bitch has issued a correction as of 19:57 on Feb 12, 2019 |
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