February game chat: I bet this Valentine was Sonixpected

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chumbler: Mar 28, 2010

al-azad posted:

Layoffs are completely alien to me. I just don't understand how you can call someone at the end of the day saying not to come into work tomorrow. How is that poo poo not illegal? If it's a requirement that you have to give someone 30-60 days notice before an eviction, the same requirement should be in place for layoffs.

e: So the WARN act does require 60 days prior to layoffs but it's only for "massive layoffs" which is defined as an absurdly high 33% minimum. It should be federally mandated two weeks minimum and I would vote for anyone running on that platform.

Yeah but have you considered that unions are bad actually and fearful employees are hungrier? You're thinking like a sheep, not a shark.

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# ? May 31, 2024 21:48

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

Blizzard is in California where the minimum is 50 employees laid off before the law kicks in

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:02

al-azad: May 28, 2009

They said affected employees are getting a severance which I'm just going to assume is 60 days pay which is the violation for California's WARN requirement.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:08

Viewtiful Jew: Apr 21, 2007; Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

Spring Break My Heart posted:

Every article about Bobby Kotick was about how he wouldn't even meet with Will Wright when he was pitching The Sims, how everyone else in ActiVision had to convince him that Guitar Hero was worthwhile, how he was against Call of Duty moving out of World War 2 and onto consoles, etc

Bobby Kotick in the PS2 generation going around the whole industry telling everyone to stop making RTS games they were stupid and the industry took his word.

Kind of:

quote:

�It was designed and documented and we started some preliminary development with assets, but the market changed quite rapidly first after the success of Warcraft 2 (which was a key inspiration and the RTS game we loved the most) but then a few sub-quality products hit the market and suddenly publishers were convinced that the RTS market was dead.

�It wasn�t that the game wasn�t working out, it�s that the market perceptions were rapidly shifting. I can remember exactly the moment when I realized we might be headed for trouble, and it wasn�t an internal production issue: I walked into the mens room at LAX airport, and standing next to me at the sink was Bobby Kotick. We started talking and he asked how it was going and what we were working on. I said, �We�re doing this new Munch game but also trying our hand an an Oddworld RTS game but with a twist.� He frowned and said �You don�t want to go there. The RTS market isn�t performing well.�

�It was at that moment that I knew we were in trouble. Activision wasn�t as huge as it is today, but anybody who knew Bobby Kotick knew he was super sharp. Weeks later the same basic perception was flowing through the industry, and our publisher was now going through an acquisition by a French publisher that was getting a reputation for being content risk averse. All things considered, we decided to put development on halt and wait it out for a more promising publishing climate.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:08

Accordion Man: Nov 7, 2012; Buglord

al-azad posted:

Layoffs are completely alien to me. I just don't understand how you can call someone at the end of the day saying not to come into work tomorrow. How is that poo poo not illegal? If it's a requirement that you have to give someone 30-60 days notice before an eviction, the same requirement should be in place for layoffs.

e: So the WARN act does require 60 days prior to layoffs but it's only for "massive layoffs" which is defined as an absurdly high 33% minimum. It should be federally mandated two weeks minimum and I would vote for anyone running on that platform.

I assume you ain't American, because yeah, we're a capitalist hellscape; the Cold War and Reagan made sure of that.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:08

al-azad: May 28, 2009

Accordion Man posted:

I assume you ain't American, because yeah, we're a capitalist hellscape; the Cold War and Reagan made sure of that.

I'm American, I've just worked as a contractor all my life where I know months in advance whether a contract is getting renewed or not and nobody gets the boot until the money runs dry. Even living in probably the original work-at-will state there has never been an example of someone getting a phone call at 5pm saying "we didn't make enough money, don't come in tomorrow" but I hear that all the time from my tech friends. Like drat, I will vote for the first person who runs on the platform of doing away with work-at-will.

al-azad fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Feb 13, 2019

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:13

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

GLaDOS tried to burn me to death in an incinerator! Now I've busted out and I'm wandering through all the maintenance tunnels and she says she's going to kill me.

This is all just another test, right? GLaDOS would never hurt me. She loves me :ohdear:

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:22

Accordion Man: Nov 7, 2012; Buglord

Glados is your friend and would never hurt you.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:25

Red Alert 2 Yuris Revenge: May 8, 2006; "My brain is amazing! It's full of wrinkles, and... Uh... Wait... What am I trying to say?"

Viewtiful Jew posted:

Oddworld RTS game but with a twist.

god drat it

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:31

al-azad: May 28, 2009

Actually when I worked at GameStop they cut my hours to 8 a week because if they fired me they were required to pay unemployment and if I stayed on then I would lose unemployment eligibility in a few months because you have to make a certain amount to receive unemployment at which point they would've immediately fired me.

So GameStop literally wasted my time until I quit or I hit a certain pay period where I could be safely canned, and that should be illegal.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:33

al-azad: May 28, 2009

it was fun watching the internet back up Tim Schafer ripping into Kotick regarding Brutal Legend, then after the tables turned on Double Fine everybody backed up Kotick when he called out Tim Schafer, and now we've come full circle on hating Kotick again

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:38

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

Didn't ATVI's incoming CFO get a signing bonus equivalent to the salaries of everyone who's getting laid off

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:40

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Didn't ATVI's incoming CFO get a signing bonus equivalent to the salaries of everyone who's getting laid off

$15 million, yeah. Rich people world is a loving trip

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:43

Pwnstar: Dec 9, 2007; Who wants some waffles?

The manager at the electronics store my brother works at quit unexpectedly so my brother was asked to take over the manger duties until they found a replacement. He got no extra money for doing this and was later punished for not making the sales targets for his regular job. If he joined a union he'd be immediately fired. Capitalism owns.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:48

The 7th Guest: Dec 17, 2003

al-azad posted:

it was fun watching the internet back up Tim Schafer ripping into Kotick regarding Brutal Legend, then after the tables turned on Double Fine everybody backed up Kotick when he called out Tim Schafer, and now we've come full circle on hating Kotick again

tbf a lot of people who hated Tim Schafer hated him because he defended zoe quinn

at this point the spacebase thing is so dang long ago that it can't be that that's fueling the remaining haters anymore. just politics

i played the psychonauts VR thing earlier this week and it was pretty cute. glad i got it at a sale price though because VR games are priced so ludicrously

The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Feb 13, 2019

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:57

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

Tim's a decent enough dude.

The willingness of gamers to defend actual monsters doing monstrous things in the name of profit is staggering.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 00:59

al-azad: May 28, 2009

Schafer was the one who milkshake ducked JonTron so all is forgiven in my eyes.

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Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

tying in with the gamergate crap i think a lot of Gamers^tm put him on a shitlist for a bunch of his kickstarters running out of cash

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

al-azad posted:

Layoffs are completely alien to me. I just don't understand how you can call someone at the end of the day saying not to come into work tomorrow. How is that poo poo not illegal? If it's a requirement that you have to give someone 30-60 days notice before an eviction, the same requirement should be in place for layoffs.

e: So the WARN act does require 60 days prior to layoffs but it's only for "massive layoffs" which is defined as an absurdly high 33% minimum. It should be federally mandated two weeks minimum and I would vote for anyone running on that platform.

The United States for the most part doesn't have worker rights. We kinda have a system in place that kinda sorta but not really helps people, but if you lose your job in the U.S., you have a month at most if you are extremely lucky, to find a new job and not lose your home. There are unemployement benefits but most companies will go out of their way to intentionally make sure ex-employees do not get those benefits.

The other bad thing about losing your job in the U.S. is that you also lose your ability to receive medical care, and without a job you almost for sure can't pay out of pocket for medications and doctor visits.

I said come in! fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Feb 13, 2019

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:11

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK: Sep 11, 2001

The 7th Guest posted:

tbf a lot of people who hated Tim Schafer hated him because he defended zoe quinn

at this point the spacebase thing is so dang long ago that it can't be that that's fueling the remaining haters anymore. just politics

i played the psychonauts VR thing earlier this week and it was pretty cute. glad i got it at a sale price though because VR games are priced so ludicrously

Schafer can be a great guy who is also insanely incompetent at running a games studio. :shrug:

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:17

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

Probably something to do with having a two party system in which both parties are more right wing than... Most right wing parties.

The UK is hosed in a million ways but it's amazing how resistant the US is to giving its citizens even the most basic human rights.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:18

The 7th Guest: Dec 17, 2003

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Schafer can be a great guy who is also insanely incompetent at running a games studio.

i agree but that aint why they hate him. in the end the games (aside from SpaceBase) all did come out in a finished form and most of them are fine. i know broken age pt 2 has some bad puzzles but that would've been the case whether the game was split up or not

in the end it's all about how he is a FILTHY SJW who Hates Real Gamers and that's why ppl still rage at him. DF as a company hasnt really done anything to warrant any kind of controversy in 5 years now, which in internet time is like 20 years and then you factor in worst timeline time and it's like 50 years

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:20

Accordion Man: Nov 7, 2012; Buglord

Steve2911 posted:

Probably something to do with having a two party system in which both parties are more right wing than... Most right wing parties.

The UK is hosed in a million ways but it's amazing how resistant the US is to giving its citizens even the most basic human rights.

We were founded by a bunch of rich white male slaveowners that only wanted to give rich white male landowners rights; we're working by design.

Also I hope Psychonauts 2 will be good. I didn't back it, but I will buy it Day 1 if its good.

Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Feb 13, 2019

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:23

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

chumbler posted:

Yeah but have you considered that unions are bad actually and fearful employees are hungrier? You're thinking like a sheep, not a shark.

Often fearful employees are hungrier in the literal sense.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:36

CV 64 Fan: Oct 13, 2012; It's pretty dope.

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

Often fearful employees are hungrier in the literal sense.

Look if we had a system where everyone was given a living wage you people would just waste it on like steaks and lobster and poo poo

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:45

Jay Rust: Sep 27, 2011

Fwd:Fwd:Fwd: Single moms are buying marihuana with their food stamps!!

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:52

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Jay Rust posted:

Fwd:Fwd:Fwd: Single moms are buying marihuana with their food stamps!!

good

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:53

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

Jay Rust posted:

Fwd:Fwd:Fwd: Single moms are buying marihuana with their food stamps!!

Please don't leak Ea/Activision internal emails.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:55

al-azad: May 28, 2009

How I bought a house at 24

Step 1: Work really hard

Step 2: Save save save

Step 3: My rich rear end boomer parents buy me a loving house

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:56

Looper: Mar 1, 2012

Jay Rust posted:

Fwd:Fwd:Fwd: Single moms are buying marihuana with their food stamps!!

whatever gets them through the day

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:57

al-azad: May 28, 2009

Let me tell you guys how I retired at 38, spoiler it involves making a million dollars a year.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:58

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

Jay Rust posted:

Played about an hour of Katamari on Steam, it�s fun but I can�t imagine staying fun for very long??

I love Katamari

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:58

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

al-azad posted:

Let me tell you guys how I retired at 38, spoiler it involves making a million dollars a year.

https://twitter.com/katefeetie/status/1095189636199170049

# ? Feb 13, 2019 01:59

Viewtiful Jew: Apr 21, 2007; Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

https://twitter.com/meowjesty/status/1095210757267034112

Xemnas continuing to cause mistaken identity issues.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 02:00

oddium: Feb 21, 2006; end of the 4.5 tatami age

corn in the bible posted:

I love Katamari

me too

# ? Feb 13, 2019 02:00

Roth: Jul 9, 2016

al-azad posted:

it was fun watching the internet back up Tim Schafer ripping into Kotick regarding Brutal Legend, then after the tables turned on Double Fine everybody backed up Kotick when he called out Tim Schafer, and now we've come full circle on hating Kotick again

I never understood the absolute hatred for Tim Schafer and Double Fine from weirdos.

# ? Feb 13, 2019 02:01

Hemingway To Go!: Nov 10, 2008; im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway

Viewtiful Jew posted:

https://twitter.com/meowjesty/status/1095210757267034112

Xemnas continuing to cause mistaken identity issues.

Kingdom Hearts sure has a confusing story

# ? Feb 13, 2019 02:01

Hwurmp: May 20, 2005

Viewtiful Jew posted:

https://twitter.com/meowjesty/status/1095210757267034112

Xemnas continuing to cause mistaken identity issues.

guess he'll give birth by sleep

# ? Feb 13, 2019 02:05

Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

Cabbit posted:

https://twitter.com/DomsPlaying/status/1095441878500159488

I'm not sure which thread in the Blizzard subforum to post this in so enjoy this rage-inducing tweet here.

Capitalism is indefensible.

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Macaluso: Sep 23, 2005; I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1095443646457901056

Read the room Geoff

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