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ReidRansom posted:It's not just the fault of the lenders here, cars have also just gotten way to damned expensive, and people overbuy. This, and it's also impossible to buy a basic car without a ton of bullshit that you don't want and that won't coast a fortune to fix when any of it breaks. Like "all the options"are essentially standard now and more and more you can't fix anything on your car yourself.
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ReidRansom posted:It's not just the fault of the lenders here, cars have also just gotten way to damned expensive, and people overbuy. Like you can spend $80K on a truck. A truck! And all the SUVs everywhere, all oversized, and all $30-$40k+. That new Lincoln Navigator is over $100k, and they can't make the things fast enough. And all of them have just gotten bigger and more expensive to build over the years. Look at an original Golf or an old F150 or an 80s 4-Runner vs their modern versions and see how much they've grown. It's insane, and people just buy the poo poo anyway and take a longer loan out and drive it alone most of the time and still apparently miss payments and then toss it out before they're done and lose money on the payoff when they trade in and do the same bullshit again. I wasn't one to blame the home buyers in the 2008 financial meltdown; people need places to live, and there are only so many ways to do that, and mortgage poo poo is complex and people got suckered. But in the case of cars, people absolutely deserve part of the blame. People need transportation, but they don't need $60k driveway ornaments. Cash for Clunkers basically annihilated the used car market, and that has resultingly forced many people into getting loans on cars who would previously never have done so. In the year prior to Cash for Clunkers in Northeast Ohio it was still possible to find a serviceable (albeit ugly and on its last legs) vehicle for around five hundred bucks. (Sometimes it's a little as 200 if you were at the right place at the right time and could live with a salvage title.) 3 years after Cash for Clunkers it was virtually impossible to find any kind of serviceable vehicle for less than $1,500
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1glitch0 posted:Haha, what? This isn't a loving Madonna-Whore complex, it's simply accepting the adult concept that humans can make good decisions sometimes and also bad decisions sometimes. If this were any other poster saying this I would nod sagely, but lollll. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 13, 2019 02:41
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Why do people even follow U.S. news networks anymore? https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/12/politics/trump-green-new-deal-socialism/index.html
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Feb 13, 2019 02:44
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DrNutt posted:Activision Blizzard just laid off 800 people while gloating to its investors about a record-breaking year for profits. No wonder this expansion sucks rear end.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:47
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Willo567 posted:Why do people even follow U.S. news networks anymore? Chris Cillizza
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skylined! posted:This seems to be getting traction and the smart thing would be to actually craft a good bill to pass in the house and force Mitch to eat his words. It would be the most amazing turn of events in recent human history if trump actually signed a good GND bill so it’s not going to happen tho There's no way to win this. Turtle wants a vote on it as soon as possible to kill it in the crib. Give no one any time to clearly articulate the legislation, give no one time to review it. Just hold the vote and "prove" that "socialism" won't survive the Senate.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:49
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Willo567 posted:Why do people even follow U.S. news networks anymore? To be fair, Chris Celizza is like a pure concentration of everything bad about CNN.
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theblackw0lf posted:Good rule to follow It's also just important to stake out solid positions on the left to avoid fighting on GOP ground. Part of my issue with the whole controversy with the "unwilling to work" bullshit is that Republicans have permanently laid claim to most of the rhetoric around the protestant work ethic. You can't fight them on that ground without constantly giving things up, but you can fight them by going right after core concepts like how we define productive labor. And, yeah, you're going to lose people, but you're going to lose people no matter what.
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Catalyst-proof posted:There's no way to win this. Turtle wants a vote on it as soon as possible to kill it in the crib. Give no one any time to clearly articulate the legislation, give no one time to review it. Just hold the vote and "prove" that "socialism" won't survive the Senate. I don't get it. What does this prove? To who?
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Catalyst-proof posted:There's no way to win this. Turtle wants a vote on it as soon as possible to kill it in the crib. Give no one any time to clearly articulate the legislation, give no one time to review it. Just hold the vote and "prove" that "socialism" won't survive the Senate. Yeah, this is all a gambit to try and get the  Dems to kill it for him because they’re terrified of being labeled as socialists.
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Catalyst-proof posted:There's no way to win this. Turtle wants a vote on it as soon as possible to kill it in the crib. Give no one any time to clearly articulate the legislation, give no one time to review it. Just hold the vote and "prove" that "socialism" won't survive the Senate. He can't vote on legislation that doesn't exist. The GND is an idea, not a bill.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:He can't vote on legislation that doesn't exist. The GND is an idea, not a bill. He's banking on most people not understanding the distinction, which many don't.
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Yeah. He's drafting off the reports that the "Green New Deal" is a bit of a mess of wishlist ideas in the earliest stages of discussion and figures if he can force a vote now he can get a messy bill that kills the idea quick, a fake deal constructed by the right that muddies the issue, or if the Dems say they can't produce a bill right now then they get to laugh at the Democrats for being full of poo poo. Its all games. Its what Mitch does.
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Grape posted:I don't get it. What does this prove? To who? If Dems vote for it, GOP can point to all the crazy stuff in the bill Dems support for the 2020 election. If Dems don't vote for, it may demoralize the Dem base. The problem here is that what he's doing is obvious and won't work. They did the same thing with Medicare for All, it got 0 Dem votes and no one cared.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:56
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Grape posted:I don't get it. What does this prove? To who? It's to poison the term "Green New Deal" as partisan, over-reaching legislation. He is hoping that the narrative will be any green legislation is "impossible to pass in the Senate" - which makes it harder for the Democrats to gain momentum even with more moderate legislation. It's a good play that has little downside for him and can definitely make the Dem's lives harder.
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Grape posted:I don't get it. What does this prove? To who? Aging white boomers and the wealthy in general. IE the core constituents of the Republican Party and the people the democratic leadership is more concerned with than their own constituents.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:59
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Seph posted:It's to poison the term "Green New Deal" as partisan, unrealistic legislation. He is hoping that the narrative will be any green legislation is "impossible to pass in the Senate" - which makes it harder for the democrats to gain momentum even on more moderate ideas. It's a good play that has little downside for him and can definitely make the Dem's lives harder. That seems incredibly dumb and ineffective. Like unless the message he wants to send is "this stuff is impossible to pass in the current senate" which is... uh who cares? I mean, duh? How is that supposed to demoralize anyone. Like the main message is "let's take the senate in 2020" to me.
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Feb 13, 2019 03:00
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Grape posted:That seems incredibly dumb and ineffective. McConnell is an extremely smart and effective politician. He wouldn't be doing this if it didn't have an upside.
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What would they even be voting on? It's not a bill, right? It's not a law? They'd vote on the non-binding resolution that hasn't left the House? Genuinely curious about the mechanics of this.
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Prester Jane posted:Cash for Clunkers basically annihilated the used car market, and that has resultingly forced many people into getting loans on cars who would previously never have done so. In the year prior to Cash for Clunkers in Northeast Ohio it was still possible to find a serviceable (albeit ugly and on its last legs) vehicle for around five hundred bucks. (Sometimes it's a little as 200 if you were at the right place at the right time and could live with a salvage title.) 3 years after Cash for Clunkers it was virtually impossible to find any kind of serviceable vehicle for less than $1,500 I don't have the numbers on me to back it up, but I strongly suspect that the overall environmental footprint of keeping an older car on the road (assuming you keep it in good running condition and properly tuned), even if it's not the most efficient, is still far less than that of building a new modern car with all its fancy globally-sourced components and exotic materials. BiggerBoat posted:This, and it's also impossible to buy a basic car without a ton of bullshit that you don't want and that won't coast a fortune to fix when any of it breaks. Like "all the options"are essentially standard now and more and more you can't fix anything on your car yourself. And that ties into the above. And is just going to get worse as things go more electric/hybrid. Double edged sword there.
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Any unfortunately-in-KY goons know anything about this? https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/1095501462677921793?s=21
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skylined! posted:Any unfortunately-in-KY goons know anything about this? The good news is McConnell is the least popular senator in the country. https://morningconsult.com/2018/10/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators-10-10/ The bad news is it's loving Kentucky.
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Seph posted:It's to poison the term "Green New Deal" as partisan, over-reaching legislation. He is hoping that the narrative will be any green legislation is "impossible to pass in the Senate" - which makes it harder for the Democrats to gain momentum even with more moderate legislation. It's a good play that has little downside for him and can definitely make the Dem's lives harder. It’s much simpler than that. They do this stuff to trigger/amuse the chuds into supporting them.
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Leon Sumbitches posted:What would they even be voting on? It's not a bill, right? It's not a law? They'd vote on the non-binding resolution that hasn't left the House? Genuinely curious about the mechanics of this. A) Force the Dems to produce a bill quick that will probably be "an overreach" or a bit of a mess that they can tear apart. B) Laugh when the Dems say they can't produce a bill quick and say they're all talk and can't govern. C) Produce your own poison bill that you can kill and try and label as THE Green New Deal. D) Pass a bill called "Green New Deal" that makes it legal for billionaires to hunt homeless people. Its all about creating talking points and records that they can then say "We tried and they couldn't do it" type arguments for the next 2 years. Remember when they proposed that "DACA for 3 years" deal and now they run around all the time insisting that they tried to give the Democrats what they wanted but they refused because they're insane obstructionists? Its like that. This is what Mitch do.
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KillHour posted:McConnell is an extremely smart and effective politician. He wouldn't be doing this if it didn't have an upside. Nah. McConnell actually hosed up this exact same scenario during the 2012 debt ceiling crisis, forcing McConnell to filibuster his own loving bill: quote:Mitch McConnell, in an effort to bluff Democrats, today demanded a straight up or down vote on a measure that would give the President the authority to raise the debt ceiling. According to Huffington Post’s Michael McAuliff, the GOP calculation was that some Dems would vote against it, proving Dem disunity on the debt ceiling. He actually has a pretty bad track record at both bluffing and estimating how important votes will break down in practice: see ACA.
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KillHour posted:McConnell is an extremely smart and effective politician. He wouldn't be doing this if it didn't have an upside. Mitch McConnell has shown himself to have a stunningly poor grasp on what will and won't motivate/demotivate Democrats. He's good at abusing the Senate's idiotic, arcane rules system and that's about it.
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Grape posted:That seems incredibly dumb and ineffective. It might not work, but it also costs McConnell nothing to hold a vote and have his entire caucus vote against it. If it does work, he's hurt the Dem's chance of passing green legislation for almost no cost. It's a no brainer from his perspective.
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skylined! posted:Any unfortunately-in-KY goons know anything about this? possibly. moderates and centrists like military vets and if she is charismatic, she may have a good shot.
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KillHour posted:The good news is McConnell is the least popular senator in the country. Kentucky was an early adopter of the ACA and loved their version of it, Kynect, until a Republican governor decided to kill it. Kentucky is an oddly salvageable state as long as you bring the message.
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skylined! posted:No wonder this expansion sucks rear end. I'm telling you, progressives are missing one hell of a golden opportunity to reach out to the gamer Community right now. Between the merciless destruction of the entire concept of what a video game is that has accompanied the rise of microtransactions in conjunction with vulture capitalism decimating several beloved gaming companies in the last few years- gamers are much more willing to listen to arguments about regulating capitalism than they would have been five years ago. Like the current WoW expansion literally sucks rear end because it's no longer I'm massively multiplayer online game, it's a single player manipulative casino game that you play along side of a bunch of other people. There's no Community left to speak of in World of Warcraft, everything that isn't a raid can be pretty easily soloed by rolling your face across the keyboard no matter what class you are, instead of interesting content they release literally hundreds of additional mounts, there is no true power progression in the game now, it's all been reduced to an RNG loot box grab bag, etc etc I could go on. Like, the hardcore Gaming Community right now is currently absolutely beside themselves over what gaming itself has become over the past several years. We are now seeing AAA $60 single player games selling microtransaction XP bonuses, with the game intentionally designed to be repetitive/grindy without the purchase of the do bonus. This is a video of the top World of Warcraft streamer watching an excellent little documentary about how Electronic Arts pioneered the particular style of loot box in its FIFA franchise that has since gone to basically destroy AAA gaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWMfzkJh1ds I really do encourage people to watch that video even though it's 40 minutes long. Understand that this guy is basically a borderline chud with tons and tons and tons of chud followers/supporters, and he is growing completely disgusted with capitalism. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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McConnell's super power is he has literally no shame about being a loathsome trashbag.
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KillHour posted:McConnell is an extremely smart and effective politician. He wouldn't be doing this if it didn't have an upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWeayFHsH90&t=10s
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Nah. McConnell actually hosed up this exact same scenario during the 2012 debt ceiling crisis, forcing McConnell to filibuster his own loving bill: Eh, that assumes the Democrats actually have a working GND that they could throw their support behind. There doesn't seem to be any real indication that such a thing currently exists or could come together quickly. That's what Mitch is gambling on. It IS a gamble and it HAS blown up in his face a few times (I think there was another one about letting women serve on the front line or something) but its a measured gamble. Mitch McConnell doesn't have super powers. He's just been doing his job for a really long time and has a bag of tricks. Sometimes they backfire, but a big part of why we're all so angry is when they work.
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Radish posted:McConnell's super power is he has literally no shame about being a loathsome trashbag. And he knows his constituents don’t care and don’t vote, so he’s gonna die in office.
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Grape posted:That seems incredibly dumb and ineffective. https://mobile.twitter.com/thenation/status/1095485229291237376
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Of course we do. Unlike most of congress, we won't be dead when the loving water wars start.
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LeeMajors posted:Of course we do. Unlike most of congress, we won't be dead when the loving water wars start. i mean isnt syria debatably the first water war?
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Z. Autobahn posted:This is an incredible response to someone smartly apologizing for lovely wording while standing by their core message. Oh man, Ilhan Omar is the house speaker now? Crazy what you miss when you're not listening to the voices in your head screeching. E: _AND_ the senate minority leader? Holy poo poo she's on a roll.
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