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The Democratic Party Of The Bosses Of Capitalism, The System Which Ruins the World, Will Never Defeat The Flyover Proletariat Including Southwest and Southeast Territories Of The Area Known As The United States Of America [EX:LatEST] Z
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Feb 13, 2019 01:04
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It'd be chill if the non LA/NY DSA guys that have no twitter presence are actually cool.
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Feb 13, 2019 01:09
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Plutonis posted:It'd be chill if the non LA/NY DSA guys that have no twitter presence are actually cool. in my experience there is generally an inverse proportionate relationship between the quality of an activist and the degree to which they have an online presence this probably holds regardless of geography though I would be more sympathetic to the Only Communists in the Village out there falling back onto Online in the absence of any real comrades to relate to in struggle locally
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Feb 13, 2019 01:13
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Mr. Lobe posted:in my experience there is generally an inverse proportionate relationship between the quality of an activist and the degree to which they have an online presence
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Feb 13, 2019 01:18
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As a flyover DSA guy, lol stop fetishizing us
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Feb 13, 2019 01:25
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i might buy this t-shirt unironically
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Feb 13, 2019 01:28
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I'm a flyover Trot guy, can someone fetishize me?
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Feb 13, 2019 01:28
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Graphic posted:I'm a flyover Trot guy, can someone fetishize me?
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Feb 13, 2019 01:33
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Graphic posted:I'm a flyover Trot guy, can someone fetishize me? funny thing, I didn't start being a trot OR fetishized until I moved to the west coast myself you might have screwed things up by doing it out of sequence
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Feb 13, 2019 01:34
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yea moving from a southern state to a big city gives you a sparkle around some of these drat yanks
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Feb 13, 2019 01:35
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trots the subs of leftism
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Feb 13, 2019 01:36
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Mr. Lobe posted:in my experience there is generally an inverse proportionate relationship between the quality of an activist and the degree to which they have an online presence are you saying the more you post itt, the worse you become
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Feb 13, 2019 01:38
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Rated PG-34 posted:are you saying the more you post itt, the worse you become absolutely. can't you feel your praxis blunting with every key pressed, your ideas ossifying into increasingly repellent granularity? give it time, soon you'll be rooting for the Austin Red Guards of tomorrow with unabashed sincerity, assuming you aren't already but let's be real, it's twitter where leftists go to get deranged
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Feb 13, 2019 01:43
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Dreddout posted:trots the subs of leftism I prefer "power bottom", thank you very much
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Feb 13, 2019 01:45
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Mr. Lobe posted:
Yeah no goon has been driven insane by a leftist subforum
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Feb 13, 2019 01:51
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Lmao I know of a forum where someone was unironically praising the rga for their superior political line. At least on Twitter people like that are exposed to ridicule
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Feb 13, 2019 01:54
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Dreddout posted:Yeah no goon has been driven insane by a leftist subforum oh yes absolutely, SA has produced some magnificently unbalanced individuals, including such treasures as donny getfiscal. but when it comes to lousy activists with an online presence, it's usually more a question of self-absorption and approval-seeking more than just, like, having brainworms. twitter, being a bigger and more public platform than this dead gay forum is the more obvious choice for those types.
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Feb 13, 2019 01:58
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to be honest, i've found that there's no real correlation between quality of organizer and twitter presence other than that a very specific kind of bad organizer is on twitter a lot. you can be bad for reasons other than being addicted to memes. The worst organizers are never online but have just been plugging away mindlessly with no self-criticism for the past 20 years, fruitlessly wasting their and everyone else's time. For example, few of the PSL or WWP sex pests were online.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:03
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they’re online but just commenting on articles posted on world socialist website about how anyone who sexually harasses women or gets outed as a pedo is unfairly treated
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Feb 13, 2019 02:11
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I'm not saying Online is the only cause of being a lousy organizer, there are clearly any number of things that can make a person bad at doing that. however, the extent to which your politics are a thing you perform online, and especially the extent to which a given person tries to establish their brand as an online political entity, those are absolutely things that come at the expense of being effective activists. perhaps it is a regional thing, but in the Pacific NW I saw an awful lot of that particular flavor of badness
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Feb 13, 2019 02:12
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oh yeah that's fair, and is actually kinda what i was thinking of w/r/t the specific kind of bad that's associated with being online.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:18
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Impermanent posted:Lmao I know of a forum where someone was unironically praising the rga for their superior political line. At least on Twitter people like that are exposed to ridicule lol it got posted here as "insightful." to be fair the first two posts in the series are pretty good then it takes a hard turn into maoism
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Feb 13, 2019 02:22
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R. Guyovich posted:lol it got posted here as "insightful." to be fair the first two posts in the series are pretty good then it takes a hard turn into maoism oh yeah, those first two were good if a bit abstract and smelled a bit of "my grudges are the newest addition to the immortal science"
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Feb 13, 2019 02:23
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R. Guyovich posted:lol it got posted here as "insightful." to be fair the first two posts in the series are pretty good then it takes a hard turn into maoism Guyovich, saying bad things about Maoism???
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Feb 13, 2019 02:26
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Lightning Knight posted:Guyovich, saying bad things about Maoism??? i like maoism but the specifics of it are designed for agrarian peasant societies. transmuting mao's strategies or the shining path's onto the most advanced capitalist economy in the world is totally contrary to marxism and should be ruthlessly mocked.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:29
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Impermanent posted:oh yeah that's fair, and is actually kinda what i was thinking of w/r/t the specific kind of bad that's associated with being online. I like to think that it is a symptom of how immature the re-emerging left is in the US, and that it will be swept to the side as material conditions get worse and people start taking the task of organizing a lot more seriously. after all, we are staring down the barrel of existential threats via climate change and a world economy teetering on the edge of another collapse, and those impacts are going to become a lot more tangible soon. I doubt when it comes to a matter of a much larger number of people having food on their plates and roofs over their heads, that embarrassing political posters are going to be a serious impediment to the formation of more serious political tendencies. ... god I hope not, anyway
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Feb 13, 2019 02:29
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honestly i think the left is engaging in a new wave of Orthodox Marxist Mistakes by assuming that the next crash or famine will do much, if anything to usher in communism. We've been predicting capitalism's inability to grapple with its own destructive nature for a hundred years and been pretty consistently wrong. I don't earnestly believe in any magic bullet for climate change but a ton of our ideas about capitalism being unable to handle it are not extremely dialectical in terms of imagining what capitalism will do in response. So far we've got "more border violence, lower crop yields, and water as a limited resource" but uhh that's now, too. Even the more apocalyptic scenarios seem more like a teenage death wish than a sober analysis of a likely death count.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:37
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Dreddout posted:trots the subs of leftism well i do non ironically love femdom empire's content
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Feb 13, 2019 02:40
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Impermanent posted:honestly i think the left is engaging in a new wave of Orthodox Marxist Mistakes by assuming that the next crash or famine will do much, if anything to usher in communism. We've been predicting capitalism's inability to grapple with its own destructive nature for a hundred years and been pretty consistently wrong. I don't earnestly believe in any magic bullet for climate change but a ton of our ideas about capitalism being unable to handle it are not extremely dialectical in terms of imagining what capitalism will do in response. So far we've got "more border violence, lower crop yields, and water as a limited resource" but uhh that's now, too. Even the more apocalyptic scenarios seem more like a teenage death wish than a sober analysis of a likely death count. I'm not saying worsening material conditions are going to guarantee our victory, but I think they do create a political opening for a shift in consciousness. there is historical precedence in US history of the Dust Bowl being a time of considerable radicalization for a lot of people in the US, though obviously it didn't end in a revolution. but that's not because people weren't angry, it's because through the new deal, enough of that dissatisfaction was dissipated. WWII stoking nationalism and then the red scare that followed obviously did the left no favors there, either but we have no idea how things are going to play out the next time capital is brought to its knees by its own contradictions. capitalism might maneuver itself in new ways we can't predict, fascism might outflank any rising left and crush dissent before we get a chance to fight back or it's possible the working class might win this time. the latter may seem overly optimistic, but I don't think we do ourselves any favors by assuming we have no chance at winning.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:47
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something i heard peter taaffe say once and he may have been paraphrasing a lenin quote, was there is no final crisis of capitalism. that is to say there is no point where capitalism will end itself. either the working class builds the power and organization necessary to overthrow it or it will continue on
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Feb 13, 2019 02:51
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Mr. Lobe posted:I'm not saying worsening material conditions are going to guarantee our victory, but I think they do create a political opening for a shift in consciousness. there is historical precedence in US history of the Dust Bowl being a time of considerable radicalization for a lot of people in the US, though obviously it didn't end in a revolution. but that's not because people weren't angry, it's because through the new deal, enough of that dissatisfaction was dissipated. WWII stoking nationalism and then the red scare that followed obviously did the left no favors there, either it's not a coincidence that the communist party was at the height of its influence when the soviets were allies in world war ii and direct state repression would look bad. weird how when you get the freedom to operate you can win more people to your cause
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Feb 13, 2019 02:52
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Graphic posted:well i do non ironically love femdom empire's content 
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Feb 13, 2019 02:53
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Was it this thread where The Three Body Problem was discussed? My understanding is that it’s anticommunist but maybe still good. Any dissenting takes? Considering reading it
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Feb 13, 2019 03:20
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GalacticAcid posted:Was it this thread where The Three Body Problem was discussed? its definitely not revolutionaryily conscious in any sense and its critical of the cultural revolution but other than that it's a sci fi novel with an unusual background. I'd argue that the ideas the series express are depressingly individualistic
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Feb 13, 2019 03:29
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Larry Parrish posted:its definitely not revolutionaryily conscious in any sense and its critical of the cultural revolution but other than that it's a sci fi novel with an unusual background. I'd argue that the ideas the series express are depressingly individualistic what’s some good conscious sci-fi? your post gave me a hankering
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Feb 13, 2019 03:33
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the dispossessed by ursula k le guin
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Feb 13, 2019 03:39
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i guess richard morgan? he kind of veers into edgy 15 year old sometimes tho
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Feb 13, 2019 03:49
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Mieville Perdido Street Station is probably his best book but each one in the Bas-Lag cycle gets less about fantasy and more about revolution until he just wrote a non-fiction narrative history of the Russian Revolution (He also wrote Embassytown if you like sci-fi books that are half as long and don't repeatedly use the word "lasciviously")
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Feb 13, 2019 03:53
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Subjunctive posted:what’s some good conscious sci-fi? your post gave me a hankering there isnt, really, that I've read. theres plenty of stuff critical of capitalism but nothing that ever says 'you know, you could do something about this'. like most writing in general theres a ton that just treats capitalism like the weather or something. it's just there.
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Feb 13, 2019 03:56
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Microcline posted:Mieville yeah i should try PSS again, i couldn't get into it but iron council sounds cool. i did like the city & the city which is less overwritten but the marxist stuff is mostly background
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Feb 13, 2019 03:57
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