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Thomamelas posted:One of the things that tends to be really common with domestic violence is for the abuser to create and push a narrative that outsiders won't understand the relationship. It's one way in which the victim can be isolated from people who care about them. And when people try to help, they do so by trying to expose how toxic the relationship is. Except that literally builds into the narrative that people won't understand their love. It's not really weird or abnormal that she defended him. It's what abusers train them to do. No two abusive relationships are exactly the same but this tends to be really common in them. Zak S is a piece of poo poo, but he doesn't have special poo poo powers. It's just a standard play in the abuser playbook. Also apparently several of the internet accounts in her name were actually created and run by Zak. So even when "She" was defending him it was just a Zockpuppet.
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gradenko_2000 posted:yeah I've had my reckoning with this product over the last year and decided there's just too much baggage there after finding the bestiary entry for "Subhuman" When a retro game is more backward than the games it's imitating, that says something about the people behind it.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Part of what may be going on is Zak trying his usual levers behind the scenes and finding them less responsive than in the past. As in why he's taking longer over his reply? Because I think he's going through every email, every text message, everything he can find to end up with some vomit-inducing 'she was asking for it' response. edit: Despite absolutely no one directly asking him, Desborough has decided that of course he has to leap onto this subject with a 'company statement' about proven innocent and typical such bullshit, even though he had no intention of working with him and so on. he really is a complete wanker. PST fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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fosborb posted:Do any of his old posts on tradgames remain? He was an absolute trainwreck here and lasted maybe a few days off probation, if memory serves Yes, he posted exclusively in the big grognards.txt thread that's been goldmined, so you can find all his posts here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3098558&userid=185243 e- And keep in mind he definitely has an alt or two he lurks here with so he can read our posts and repost them to his website. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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Feb 13, 2019 17:19
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There was also a pretty hilarious thread where GBS discovered his weird grudge against Something Awful. E: I remembered it being less lovely GBS and more "this is what happens when normal people come across his bullshit." But that's nostalgia for you. moths fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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Feb 13, 2019 17:22
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ProfessorCirno posted:The actual industry giants - Mearls and anyone else connected to WotC, and likewise Paizo and people like Erik Mona - aren't going to say anything. Yeah, it's worth mentioning while Mearls, Hite, and Truman and others are getting the lion's share of attention, there are plenty of guys like Erik Mona who quietly covered for and palled around with Zak without necessarily putting his name in lights. Not to say we need a blacklist, but that Mr. Smith's success was built on a lot of deliberate silence by important people in the industry, particularly in fantasy gaming and the OSR community. It's going to be interesting to see who remains silent and says nothing in the days and weeks going forward.
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That thread was awful, actually, and GBS sent him and Mandy "joking" threats they used to further discredit and harass Mikan and other people who posted on SA.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Not to say we need a blacklist, but that Mr. Smith's success was built on a lot of deliberate silence by important people in the industry, particularly in fantasy gaming and the OSR community. It's going to be interesting to see who remains silent and says nothing in the days and weeks going forward. To say nothing of his work with China Mieville, which is what got me to finally stop paying attention to China Mieville.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Yes, he posted exclusively in the big grognards.txt thread that's been goldmined, so you can find all his posts here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3098558&userid=185243 Even on the first page he's "reporting" what Mandy says.
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Dawgstar posted:Even on the first page he's "reporting" what Mandy says. Holy poo poo man, that whole thing where he does scripted dialogue for 'Mandy' is just... I mean we always knew he was lying but this adds a whole other layer of ick to it
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CaptainRat posted:To say nothing of his work with China Mieville, which is what got me to finally stop paying attention to China Mieville. Mieville is himself a sex pest, so.
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Mors Rattus posted:Mieville is himself a sex pest, so. Yeah, I found that out after the Zak S. collab made me jettison all of his books that I already had. In retrospect I should have just thrown them out instead of selling them but what can you do.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Yes, he posted exclusively in the big grognards.txt thread that's been goldmined, so you can find all his posts here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3098558&userid=185243 That page is a shame I'll never live down.
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Kurieg posted:Zockpuppet. Great turn of phrase.
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Mors Rattus posted:Mieville is himself a sex pest, so. Ugh what?
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Whole lotta yikes in those posts. e: jfc this is horrifying. All those posts where ''Mandy'' speaks and it's all about how great he is. e2: Big surprise he was defending rape in games. ravenkult fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:Yes, he posted exclusively in the big grognards.txt thread that's been goldmined, so you can find all his posts here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3098558&userid=185243 Thanks! Zak S posted:
How could we have known???
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Mors Rattus posted:Mieville is himself a sex pest, so. wait what
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quote:who talk about rape and sexual abuse pretty much every day (outside of games) of their own accord (sometimes seriously sometimes not).
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TG As An Industry: "southpark level of seriousness"
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Feb 13, 2019 18:16
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also when does rape come up in "ordinary conversation". As an ordinary conversation haver, I would consider rape to be an inappropriate topic for ordinary conversation, just saying.
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sexpig by night posted:wait what http://bidisha-online.blogspot.com/2012/12/emotional-violence-and-social-power.html That's the edited version after extensive legal threats to the victim. You can find snippets of the original with googling, but as she changed it herself because of the threats, I don't feel it's something I should just repost. PST fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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Feb 13, 2019 18:19
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I don't have a link to the one about Mieville, but yeah, we go through this rigmarole every couple of months whenever the Zak to Melville connection gets brought up, and yes, he's a sex pest
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Reveilled posted:also when does rape come up in "ordinary conversation". As an ordinary conversation haver, I would consider rape to be an inappropriate topic for ordinary conversation, just saying. One could hypothesize (especially having read the testimonies of those brave women) that, living with an alleged serial perpetrator, the topic came up quite a lot - especially in the context of "no," and "stop".
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slap me and kiss me posted:One could hypothesize (especially having read the testimonies of those brave women) that, living with an alleged serial perpetrator, the topic came up quite a lot - especially in the context of "no," and "stop". quote:I remember all the times, the many times, I said No, and I would be met with a deadpan stare and he would say “Yes”. I remember being expected to be at his beck and call for sex, at any time with any service. Mandy was his perfect porcelain doll, and I was his fun new toy.
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That's exactly the sentence I was thinking about.
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Edit: I'm an idiot and should have thought before posting about China Mieville.
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Feb 13, 2019 19:05
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...maybe now’s not the time to litigate how the trauma someone says they suffered wasn’t really abuse, guy? Particularly as people have already pointed out this is the edited post after lawyers got involved?
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It isn't hard to read between the lines though. Living through years of dishonesty and probable gaslighting is a kind of abuse, yes.
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gradenko_2000 posted:yeah I've had my reckoning with this product over the last year and decided there's just too much baggage there after finding the bestiary entry for "Subhuman" You tell me, I opened the page and there was a picture of me!
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This ain't it, chief
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gently caress off
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Edit: yup, still an idiot.
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Feb 13, 2019 19:39
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"Believe women, but not this one because she sounds needy." Please stop. Not the time, nor the place, nor the topic.
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Jimbozig posted:Edit: please, feel free to treat me like an idiot And oh how we will. You loving idiot. Step back and like...look at what your statement is. Look at it long, look at it hard. You're policing how bad victimhood has to get before you care. Just in case you haven't figured it out: you're loving disgusting as well as an idiot. You loving idiot.
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Jimbozig posted:Edit: please, feel free to treat me like an idiot, but explain what I've got wrong. I may be a huge idiot about this! I would like to learn and figure out what I've got wrong.
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No he's not. Also worth adding: consent cannot be given under false pretenses. Every time Mieville had sex with her, and sounds like countless other women, it was rape. You loving idiot.
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Jimbozig posted:And maybe he really is a sadist. Maybe he is only kind to people because he knows it will hurt them more when they break up. It's possible. But what is there in that entire account to rule out the alternative theory, that he dates many women and is kind to the women he dates because he is a kind person and likes the women he dates? cuz there’s testimony that he rapes and that has completely invalidated your “man I just don’t know” smokescreen
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dwarf74 posted:man, you're better than this. You're right. I'm sorry. I just got caught up in stupid irrelevant details and didn't look at the big picture. I wanted to know what happened. I wanted the details like this is some story for our fascination and analysis. It isn't. It's not some mystery novel for us to deconstruct. I hosed up. Jimbozig fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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Jimbozig posted:Years? Sorry, maybe that is what I missed. Where does it say years? There Is Always More And It Is Always Worse
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