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I see we're now at maximum victim claiming. https://twitter.com/ZakSmithSabbath/status/1096064748217487360 It's almost as though abuse can flow both ways in a relationship or something, and that an act of violence does not render your own acts of physical and emotional violence permissible! That's if the punch even happened.
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Loomer posted:I see we're now at maximum victim claiming. https://twitter.com/ZakSmithSabbath/status/1096064748217487360 I think it could well have done because he's trying to use 'she hit me' as 'it's impossible for her to be a victim/me to be an abuser because she hit me' as his new line of defence/deflection.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:25
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If an abuse victim fights back then it's no longer abuse. What a blisteringly hot take.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:27
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Yep. Meanwhile literally anyone who's ever had to deal with abusive relationships as an outsider - whether a counsellor or a lawyer or whatever - knows that abuse tends to breed abuse so the argument 'well, she hit me so I must be innocent' is about as valid as 'I'm a feminist why would I ever hurt a woman' or 'I love her so I could never!'
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Feb 14, 2019 16:28
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It's the passivity that's making me loving furious right now. "Why don't you talk to them? Why don't you talk to them? Why don't you talk to them?" Why don't they make their own public statements on their own public platforms instead of in a throwaway Blogspot that you wrote, you piece of poo poo?
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Feb 14, 2019 16:28
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Bonus points, he hasn't provided any means of contact for the one he's relying on for the bulk of his shield. Charlotte Stokely went quiet about it after her initial spree other than a single post a little bit ago saying 'yes I agreed of my own free will to be pointed to saying Zak's okay'.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:31
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moths posted:They were selling at 20k. I doubt people want to prop up a shitbag that hard anymore. You vastly overestimate the moral fiber of the Fine Art scene.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:38
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BrainParasite posted:You vastly overestimate the moral fiber of the Fine Art scene. This. Lets just say all of Z-man's most charming conversational quirks, the loud proclamations and the quiet/hidden actual values in opposition, etc. Put him squarely in the middle of the 'art people' spectrum. OSR assholes have got nothing on art patrons.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:46
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lmao i rushed to post that the art scene would be worse and got beaten twice. it's bad. Just never learn about any artist.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:55
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Impermanent posted:lmao i rushed to post that the art scene would be worse and got beaten twice. it's bad. Just never learn about any artist.
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Feb 14, 2019 17:01
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FMguru posted:Eric Gill says "Hi!" wait is this 'hi' as in he was a monster too because all I know about Gill is he supported the Spanish Republicans before becoming a pacifist and just wanted to make a lot of nudes and hell same
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Feb 14, 2019 17:05
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I saw he had stuff displayed at the Progressive Corporation and assumed the wasn't meant to be ironic. Then I googled more and it's just the insurance company. Corporate artist!
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Feb 14, 2019 17:06
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sexpig by night posted:wait is this 'hi' as in he was a monster too because all I know about Gill is he supported the Spanish Republicans before becoming a pacifist and just wanted to make a lot of nudes and hell same quote:His personal diaries reveal that his religious beliefs did not limit his sexual activity which included several extramarital affairs, incest with his two eldest teenage daughters, incestuous relationships with his sisters, and sexual acts on his dog.[43][44][8]
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Feb 14, 2019 17:07
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god loving drat it everyone who's made anything ever is a monster
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Feb 14, 2019 17:07
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'hi I'm just a simple man who wants to print butts and hates fascists' 'aw cool, cool historical figure' 'also I hosed my dog and daughters' 'I hate this'
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Feb 14, 2019 17:09
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moths posted:Fucker even has the zockpuppet coded to "@Bethhmm" so he can remember this is the one for leveraging against Mandy Morbid. Uhh are you okay?
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Feb 14, 2019 17:16
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yeah I think you can just be mad at Zak without also deciding he is Edward Nygma
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Feb 14, 2019 17:17
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oh, so he's the origin of the aristocrats joke
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Feb 14, 2019 17:19
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https://twitter.com/HoldenShearer/status/1095943444713873409 Does someone have that ironicat that just kinda grows forever before exploding into several smaller ironicats?
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Feb 14, 2019 17:23
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Kurieg posted:https://twitter.com/HoldenShearer/status/1095943444713873409 "I believe women...now"
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Feb 14, 2019 17:25
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"There is no room for abusers. There is room for an abuser, but that spot is taken by my best friend."
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Feb 14, 2019 17:27
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sexpig by night posted:"I believe women...now" "I'm enough of a shitstain to use these recent events to try to mislead people from the fact that I'm rape-adjacent."
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Feb 14, 2019 17:29
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#AbuseIsNotAGame now trending on Twitter.
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Feb 14, 2019 17:29
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Comrade Koba posted:"I'm enough of a shitstain to use these recent events to try to mislead people from the fact that I'm rape-adjacent." He's been doing that for a while, he also extensively blocks people who ever dare to call out his own role in covering up harassment, because he has his new 'champion of the abused' crown to shine up. And didn't he promote Moerke's stuff yesterday, right in the middle of this all? PST fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Feb 14, 2019 |
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Feb 14, 2019 17:40
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I believe women who aren't asking me to inconvenience myself in any way clap emoji
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Feb 14, 2019 17:41
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Kurieg posted:"There is no room for abusers. There is room for an abuser, but that spot is taken by my best friend." This is the No Homers Club, eh?
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Feb 14, 2019 17:41
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In addition to being a moderately successful painter in the art scene, Zak got an MFA at Yale, so yeah he probably comes from money, too. At least, that's what the Wikipedia page he most likely wrote himself notes.
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Feb 14, 2019 17:46
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PST posted:He's been doing that for a while, he also extensively blocks people who ever dare to call out his own role in covering up harassment, because he has his new 'champion of the abused' crown to shine up. And didn't he promote Moerke's stuff yesterday, right in the middle of this all? Can confirm he blocks people for this lmbo
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Feb 14, 2019 17:50
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I mean, what do you even want Holden to do at this point, other than set himself on fire?
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Feb 14, 2019 17:56
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, what do you even want Holden to do at this point, other than set himself on fire? comedy answer: yes, that real answer: he could actually acknowledge his buddy did that poo poo and apologize for supporting him
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Feb 14, 2019 17:57
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I mean, he did acknowledge that?
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Feb 14, 2019 17:58
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Doesn't really count for much when he downplays it as "inappropriate workplace flirting" and keeps supporting his buddy.
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Feb 14, 2019 18:02
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He's responding to Nicole Lindroos here in the Mentzer thread on RPGNet, but it's very much "this isn't the time or place to be discussing my lovely friend, we should focus on the victims" and playing up his own personal failings without actually apologizing for defending Morke.
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Feb 14, 2019 18:10
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Mors Rattus posted:Doesn't really count for much when he downplays it as "inappropriate workplace flirting" and keeps supporting his buddy.  Anyway, supporting how? You act like there's a giant conspiracy to keep John Morke in his job or something, when in fact dude vanished off the internet years ago. Ultimately, what really makes me mad here is that Onyx Path has decided that John's behavior was the responsibility of Holden's co-dev and not his actual boss, and nobody here is going to question this decision because taking a principled stand against Onyx Path might actually involve giving up something they want. (edited to correct pig-flooping screenshot)
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Feb 14, 2019 18:12
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Lumbermouth posted:He's responding to Nicole Lindroos here in the Mentzer thread on RPGNet, but it's very much "this isn't the time or place to be discussing my lovely friend, we should focus on the victims" and playing up his own personal failings without actually apologizing for defending Morke. 'unprofessional flirting' Rand Brittain posted:
He's creating a game, now on his patreon, that Holden is promoting. If Suleiman should be shunned for all time (which he should) and something Holden champions very strongly, why does Moerke get a pass, someone Holden does exactly what he accuses Green Ronin of doing - underplaying his harassment? PST fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Feb 14, 2019 |
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Feb 14, 2019 18:14
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Rand Brittain posted:Anyway, supporting how? You act like there's a giant conspiracy to keep John Morke in his job or something, when in fact dude vanished off the internet years ago. PST posted:He's been doing that for a while, he also extensively blocks people who ever dare to call out his own role in covering up harassment, because he has his new 'champion of the abused' crown to shine up. And didn't he promote Moerke's stuff yesterday, right in the middle of this all? I know you have trouble reading things you don't like, but maybe read literally a few posts up. Holden continues to shill for Morke and try to get people to buy his poo poo, downplays what Morke did, and still associates with him. But hey, he's your friend, and that makes it all okay. gently caress off, you mealymouthed shitstain.
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Holden has acknowledged that he believes the women and that his friend was absolutely in the wrong, and I believe he’s sincere in that. I have to give side eye at his vendetta with OPP though. The shade he throws at the new Exalted development team, implying that it was so much better under his direction (while ignoring the charge that he knew what Morke was up to while he was developer) and the attempts to discredit one of Morke’s victims who is a current OPP freelancer are pretty poor taste. There’s a lot of barbs and accusations being thrown from him and Olivia Hill towards OPP and vice versa, and I’m not quite sure how to make sense of it all, but I do know Holden’s actions in particular in this matter leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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Feb 14, 2019 18:15
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just dropping in to say this: I was wrong for defending Zak Smith and I am sorry thanks
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Feb 14, 2019 18:16
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When the person saying "Don't cover up Suleiman's harassment" has covered up harassment, why do we care what he has to say? If you're REALLY concerned about #metoo and The Movement, you can, you know, shut the gently caress up and let marginalized creators have the floor instead of being first on the scene with your hot takes about abuse in the RPG industry.
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Bosushi! posted:Holden has acknowledged that he believes the women and that his friend was absolutely in the wrong, and I believe he’s sincere in that. I don't understand the exact people and their actions against Olivia Hill, or how they tie to OPP. I would like to know more about this, and who specifically did what, because I find the situation very muddy. I like OPP's games but if they are shitlords in some fashion I would like to understand why and who specifically so that I can stop giving them money. Holden has no credibility so his beef with OPP is irrelevant to me.
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