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Presenting Nipples posted:He just called Trump a white supremacist which most American leaders are too white supermasicty to say, so he at least appears more honest than Nancy Pelosi. Did you figure out who paid for that poll?
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Saladman posted:I'm shocked that even after 4 years of hunger, no one in Venezuela seems to be farming. Like wouldn't this be both a stereotypical and trivial thing for the government to implement? It even would get them more street credit with Marxist-Leninist idiots. People cant afford to farm. The price controls the government put on food were set up to stop price gouging and make sure that people in the cities could afford to eat, but the levels the prices are set at mean that farmers have to sell their crops for less than it costs to produce them. And, because of the problem with the inflation and the lack of foreign currency, farmers can't import fertilizers or animal feed. Venezuela used to produce things like fertilizer domestically, but Chavez accused to the fertilizer companies of price gouging and nationalized the factories so now production is next to nothing.
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Saladman posted:I think one of the main differences between the collapse of the east vs. Venezuela is that no one was actually starving then, and you still had electricity and water. Even in Caracas municipal water is not a regular occurrence, and in some places like Valencia there might just be a few hours a week (!). They do produce stuff https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...550233788764510 Crop yields seem to be down, but that's most likely due to extreme drought and el nino more than anything else. loving global warming man. This is also one of the nth reasons Venezuela is totally hosed, no matter the outcome.
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zapplez posted:Did you figure out who paid for that poll? which poll, there've been a lot. Are they also paying the supporters in the streets who are facing dangers like getting Literally Lynched by the freedom loving opponents? Must be a pretty fuckin cool payday to make that worth it.
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sexpig by night posted:which poll, there've been a lot. Are you seriously suggesting that the protesters in support of Maduro are facing more danger than the ones protesting him?
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Feb 14, 2019 16:04
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https://twitter.com/FrancoOrdonez/status/1095839619063730181?s=19 Trump will be in Miami at FIU to talk Venezuela. Traffic is going to be lovely on Monday.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:They do produce stuff Dude you can't blame this on el nino:  Corn production is almost a third of what it was in 2006 according to the USDA, and every other staple that has statistics available has followed a similar trajectory. 
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elgatofilo posted:https://twitter.com/FrancoOrdonez/status/1095839619063730181?s=19 surely, he will be met by people who are deeply conflicted on the subject of the mass murder of Latin American socialists. those people, who exist, in significant numbers, in Miami, and at Trump rallies.
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Squalid posted:Dude you can't blame this on el nino: Yeah, you're right. My bad.I should have said that climate change and the drought are one of the compounding issues along with price controls, the disastrous land reform and the "resource course" of oil.
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Feb 14, 2019 18:30
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elgatofilo posted:Ilhan Omar The Miami Herald sounds like a lying rag 
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elgatofilo posted:Ilhan Omar is the worst possible person the Democrats could've chosen right now to confront Abrams and try to get some accountability going here. Not only has she put herself in an incredibly weak position but she somehow managed to make a war criminal look like the victim. SHe has said nothing antisemitic or pro-maduro you idiot
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Feb 14, 2019 18:38
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sexpig by night posted:which poll, there've been a lot. The latest one that had him at like 52% approval. Considering there was another pool a few weeks before that had him at 20%.
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Feb 14, 2019 18:53
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A few weeks ago was before it was clear the us wanted a coup and they put someone who ran death squads across multiple countries in the 80s in charge of it
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Jose posted:A few weeks ago was before it was clear the us wanted a coup and they put someone who ran death squads across multiple countries in the 80s in charge of it Oh yeah I bet the Venezuelans getting polled def know who Abrams is.
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Feb 14, 2019 19:07
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zapplez posted:Oh yeah I bet the Venezuelans getting polled def know who Abrams is. I am curious what Maduro's propaganda narrative looks like, come to think of it.
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Feb 14, 2019 19:19
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Jose posted:SHe has said nothing antisemitic or pro-maduro you idiot Not that it belongs here but in case anyone is curious, its another case of someone not taking the Israel stance as 100% factual and being mildly critical of them. So once again anti-antisemitism loses meaning as it gets conflated with any amount of anti-Israel sentiment.
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Feb 14, 2019 19:50
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people who believe antisemitic things defend antisemitic politician, film at 11 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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isn't it strange, the way being pro-coup correlates so directly with demanding a black woman sit down, shut up, and not dare to bring up the crimes of her betters. wonder what that's about.
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Feb 14, 2019 19:58
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Speaking of coup - how's it going, anyways?
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Feb 14, 2019 19:59
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Mozi posted:Speaking of coup - how's it going, anyways? the short answer is that for now, it isn't. the latest round of sanctions hope to starve enough additional people into the streets that they'll sign on with anybody who will get them to stop. this has a mixed record of succeeding; notably, one of the last guys we tried this routine on, Saddam Hussein, just used the sanctions to consolidate his power, and after a decade's worth of sanctions' only accomplishment being the death of a bunch of Iraqi civilians we gave up and invaded anyway. aftermath was, how you say, not so good. the hope is that Venezuela is more Nicaragua than Iraq, and after you mine a couple of harbors the leadership will just give in.
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Feb 14, 2019 20:08
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Unlike these examples: Texas: 1836 Mexico-American War: 1846 Nicaragua Fillibusters: 1850, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1857 Panama, protecting the railroad: 1856 Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, Philippines: 1898 Cuba’s Platt Amendment, which lets the US intervene whenever they want: 1903 Panama (again) to break Panama off from Colombia & install a puppet govt so they can build canal: 1903 Dominican Republic: 1904 Strikebreaking in Mexico: 1905 Honduras: 1905 Cuba: 1906-1908 Honduras: 1907 Panama: 1908 Nicaragua’s president says that maybe American fruit and mining companies should pay taxes, the US pressures him into resigning, installs a new president and sends marines in to secure the new regime: 1909-1910 Honduras’ President gets too friendly with the ex-president of Nicaragua who though US Companies should pay taxes, so he’s gone: 1911 Sugar workers in Cuba rebel, so the US Marines come in: 1912 The US occupies Veracruz Mexico: 1914 Occupation of Haiti: 1915-1934 Occupation of Dominican Republic: 1916-1924 The sole act of aggression by a Latin American nation against the US, Pancho Villa raids the town of Columbus NM, killing 17: 1916 US invasion of Mexico in pursuit of Villa: 1917 Cuba: 1917 Occupation of Chiriqui Panama: 1918-1920 US suggests overthrow of Guatemalan president on behalf of fruit company: 1921 Strikebreaking in Panama City: 1925 Occupation of Nicaragua (again): 1926-1933 US-backed dictatorship in Dominican Republic: 1930 El Salvador: 1932 Cuba: 1933 US-backed assassination in Nicaragua: 1934 US-approved coup in Panama: 1941 El Salvador’s dictator is deposed in a revolution, months later the former dictator’s chief of Police launches a counter-coup with US approval: 1944 US-backed President takes control of Costa Rica after civil war: 1948 CIA replaces an elected left-wing government with a right wing dictatorship in Guatemala: 1954 Fidel Castro takes over Cuba from US-backed Batista govt: 1959 US refuses to allow free elections in El Salvador for fears of leftism, right wing coup: 1960 US sends 1400 anti-Castro Cuban exiles to Bay of Pigs, fails: 1961 CIA coup in Ecuador: 1961 CIA intervenes in Brazil to keep US-unfriendly guy from taking control of Brazil’s congress. CIA coup in Dominican Republic: 1963 US-backed coup in Brazil: 1964 US intervenes to stop overthrow of right wing dictator in Dominican Republic: 1965 US sends Green Berets to Guatemala for counterinsurgency campaign: 1966 Green Berets sent to Bolivia to assassinate Che Guevara: 1967 CIA-paid General organizes paramilitaries in El Salvador: 1968 US-backed coup in Chile unseats elected leftist govt and replaces it with right wing military dictatorship: 1973 Military takeover in Uruguay, supported by US: 1973 Right wing junta takes over El Salvador, US supports massively: 1980 US starts basing contras & death squads in Honduras and Nicaragua: 1980 US-approved coup in Nicaragua: 1982 US-approved coup in Nicaragua (again): 1983 US invasion of Grenada: 1983 Boland Amendment prevents US from spending money on Nicaragua intervention, Reagan ignores it: 1983 US mines three Harbors in Nicaragua: 1984 CIA rigs elections in El Salvador: 1984 US invades Panama to dislodge CIA-backed dictator: 1989 Haiti: 1994-1995 Venezuela: 2002 Haiti: 2004- Honduras: 2009 I’m sure that this time, American intervention in a Latin American country will work out just great for the people there.
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Presenting Nipples posted:He just called Trump a white supremacist which most American leaders are too white supermasicty to say, so he at least appears more honest than Nancy Pelosi. last i checked the only snap election maduro was willing to call so far was for the national assembly, so this is incredibly disingenuous which is to say, the legislature he doesn't control (and the loss of which caused him to make his new superseding fake legislature) the opposition has formed a committee to put together a new presidential election, although that probably won't get finished in the next 8 days lol Labradoodle posted:The opposition can't 'refuse' to have an election because they don't control the National Electoral Council. Maduro can call as many elections as he wants, but if you ban almost every single opposition party from running, threaten people to cast votes in your favor, and outright falsify votes (as the freaking company that makes the machines we use to tally them says they did), they're not valid. Furthermore, Maduro is only willing to have another election for the National Assembly, not the presidency, which again, anyone who bothered to read any news about Venezuela would know. obviously efb, forgot the electoral council was a thing  wonder what the committee's doing then, putting together a proposal to wave at the electoral dudes?
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Mozi posted:Speaking of coup - how's it going, anyways? doesn't look like anybody's budging yet
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the short answer is that for now, it isn't. the latest round of sanctions hope to starve enough additional people into the streets that they'll sign on with anybody who will get them to stop. this has a mixed record of succeeding; notably, one of the last guys we tried this routine on, Saddam Hussein, just used the sanctions to consolidate his power, and after a decade's worth of sanctions' only accomplishment being the death of a bunch of Iraqi civilians we gave up and invaded anyway. This isn't helpful, I think this would fit in more with CSPAM. GreyjoyBastard posted:doesn't look like anybody's budging yet While much shorter, this post is far more pertinent.
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elgatofilo posted:Ilhan Omar is the worst possible person the Democrats could've chosen right now to confront Abrams and try to get some accountability going here. Not only has she put herself in an incredibly weak position but she somehow managed to make a war criminal look like the victim. You are just a godawful, possibly Islamophobic human being.
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Mozi posted:This isn't helpful, I think this would fit in more with CSPAM. you wanted to know what's going on, you got your answer. the sanctions are a US attempt to break the current stalemate, by making things more intolerable for the average man in the street. historically, sometimes this has worked. like in Nicaragua. sometimes, it has very, very not worked. like in Iraq.
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elgatofilo posted:https://twitter.com/FrancoOrdonez/status/1095839619063730181?s=19 Wish this was in Jacksonville or Tampa because FL isn't a swing state anymore.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:doesn't look like anybody's budging yet https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/4965/Will-Nicol%C3%A1s-Maduro-be-president-of-Venezuela-on-Dec-31,-2019 Currently 42% Yes that Maduro is in office on Dec. 31, 2019 58% No w/ highs of 67% No not too long ago
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Cerepol posted:Not that it belongs here but in case anyone is curious, its another case of someone not taking the Israel stance as 100% factual and being mildly critical of them. So once again anti-antisemitism loses meaning as it gets conflated with any amount of anti-Israel sentiment. Yeah and notice how well it works. Politician who dares criticize the Israel lobby's influence is immediately condemned on all sides as an anti-semite, the media uncritically accepts this framing, and people like El Gato Filo, who may not follow US politics that closely, now know that she's an evil bigot whose opinions can be ignored, after all it was in the Miami Herald, it must be true 
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there was an article talking about how they interviewed some soldiers and they're not interested in firing on their own people but I'm taking that as basically propaganda, albeit propaganda pointed at making Maduro sad I'm too dumb to figure out how to link the URLs on my phone right now but al jazeera has some interesting stuff, including A) the National Assembly appointing a transitional board for PDVSA to theoretically access the frozen international assets and B) Maduro's Attorney General or equivalent announcing investigations into some of Guaido's appointments they also have some photos of Venezuelan poverty so I guess Qatar's in the tank for imperialism
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AGGGGH BEES posted:people who believe antisemitic things defend antisemitic politician, film at 11 Im Jewish. gently caress off troika
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zapplez posted:Oh yeah I bet the Venezuelans getting polled def know who Abrams is. I mean... yeah probably?
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My apologies if this was posted already, but Maduro gave an absolutely bonkers interview to the BBC two days ago. The interviewer, a journalist named Orla Guerin, did an excellent job at pressing Maduro on the lies that he was telling. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, you can really tell that Maduro's used to talking nonsense and not having anyone challenge him. Here are some gems. Keep in mind that none of what Maduro says is true: quote:Guerin: You say the humanitarian aid is a show, but are you actually saying that the hunger is a show? We have seen it with our own eyes. I have met a mother of five who told me that her children go to bed every night with nothing to eat, and just a short drive from here, we have actually seen people reaching into the garbage with their hands to find food to eat. Are you honestly saying there is no hunger in Venezuela? Mods please change the title of the thread to "Venezuela Thread (Maduro: You all have a problem)"
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there's a much more appropriate one right thereMaduro posted:You are completely non-critical of the lies that are being said about Venezuela
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Chuck Boone posted:My apologies if this was posted already, but Maduro gave an absolutely bonkers interview to the BBC two days ago. The interviewer, a journalist named Orla Guerin, did an excellent job at pressing Maduro on the lies that he was telling. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, you can really tell that Maduro's used to talking nonsense and not having anyone challenge him. well I guess that's sorted, pack it up imperialailures, Venezuela's doing great
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there is a ton of just rambling nonsense in that Maduro interview, but I think this is illustrative:quote:Guerin US pressure paradoxically legitimizes Maduro, by shifting responsibility for economic collapse from him to the US. I don't know if or how well he's using this propaganda line in Venezuela, but I would bet that he is.
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/4965/Will-Nicol%C3%A1s-Maduro-be-president-of-Venezuela-on-Dec-31,-2019 idiots betting on things isn't any indication of reality
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Cease to Hope posted:there is a ton of just rambling nonsense in that Maduro interview, but I think this is illustrative: yeah, at this point there's a pretty solid playbook for how to use the US squeezing you as an excuse to consolidate your own power.
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Cease to Hope posted:there is a ton of just rambling nonsense in that Maduro interview, but I think this is illustrative: "pressure" 
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Ruzihm posted:"pressure" pressure is more than just sanctions. the US exerting political pressure to avoid dealing with venezuela has an insidious chilling effect that cuts it off from doing business abroad in a way that doesn't show up in the "List of sanctions against Venezuela" links some people some people really seem to enjoy posting in this thread over and over again.
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