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rephrased - will the expansions come out for ipad
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Thanks, Mr Gort, for testing this. So the AI is still poo poo! But apart from that the game has definitely improved a lot.
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Feb 15, 2019 13:44
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I'm currently doing a TSL Europe game as Eleanor-France and it's made the midgame fun as all hell with this great works/loyalty mini-game. There were a couple of hairy early-game wars but as soon as walls/alliances were up and ready to go, it's been nothing but expansion through art. It's great.
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Feb 15, 2019 13:59
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The one itty, bitty, tiny downside I could see about Eleanor is that the lack of a rebel stage means you can't raze any cities that loyalty flip to you. But that's it. Also, just found out that volcanoes can make tundra tiles delicious. When they erupt they redefine the terrain type of any tile they damage, so you can totally have snow-farms (as someone besides Canda that is).
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Feb 15, 2019 14:26
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One thing I noticed is that the AI actually will participate in military emergencies. At least they did in the first one I encountered. Just got into a second now, so I guess I should be able to confirm this soon.
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Feb 15, 2019 14:28
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The Human Crouton posted:One thing I noticed is that the AI actually will participate in military emergencies. At least they did in the first one I encountered. Just got into a second now, so I guess I should be able to confirm this soon. I had the same happen too--4 civs on my continent, one of them took a weak border city from another, and the 3 of us went in on an emergency to retake it. Both the AIs actually contributed.
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Feb 15, 2019 14:33
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Did the city end up returned to its original owner?
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Feb 15, 2019 15:06
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The AI does seem to be better at responding and thinking for itself. The only real issue now is the constant spamming of trade deals. It doesn't seem to take the hint.
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Feb 15, 2019 15:13
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Marmaduke! posted:Did the city end up returned to its original owner? I voluntarily liberated it back to him because I had no hopes of keeping it and figured I might as well get something. I reloaded my autosave and if I hadn't sniped it the other AI would have taken and kept it.
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Feb 15, 2019 15:35
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Kind of sounds like the AI should just be unable to proposition human players for trade deals tbh
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Feb 15, 2019 15:52
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turboraton posted:Just maintain your nuclear plants once every twenty turns or so with the City Project. or figure out how to mod it out again because a nuclear meltdown is not quite the same as being hit by an atomic bomb
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Feb 15, 2019 16:02
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Yeah that poo poo with nuclear power going off like a bomb always has and will annoy me. I think the worst offender I've ever seen is Anno 2070's nuclear reactors. I swear those things worked off of the player's nerves because in addition to the random chance of "roll for explosion" you'd get semi-regular reports of "an incident has occurred" that were nothing besides a ping about you having nuclear. It really was a huge "This game is made by a studio in Germany" flag when the Tycoons end up relying on clean, efficient coal over nuclear. At least the developers made the things worth the extra hassle. Nuclear plants produce the most production (4), also produce 3 science, and a whopping 16 power/uranium. For comparison both Coal gives production based off of the host district's production, and oil gives a flat 3 production, and both produce only 4 power/resource. Nuclear power's expensive and annoying but drat are those buildings profitable.
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Feb 15, 2019 16:18
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Mameluke posted:Kind of sounds like the AI should just be unable to proposition human players for trade deals tbh The poster who said that it should mimic Stellaris is correct - if the user rejects the AI it should get a flat -1000 score to performing the same action again, lasting over a period of 20 turns or so.
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Feb 15, 2019 16:27
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Luceo posted:or figure out how to mod it out again because a nuclear meltdown is not quite the same as being hit by an atomic bomb It's one of those collective delusion things, like uranium rods glowing green You could argue at least that a Chernobyl-style meltdown would put fallout in adjacent tiles, but it shouldn't pillage all your buildings
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Feb 15, 2019 16:55
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Also, Chernobyl was a weapons reactor, designed to produce weapons grade uranium, not power. Ever so slightly different setup.
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Feb 15, 2019 17:12
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Why did they change position of all of the YES and NO buttons? Now I accidentally deleted my savegame. Trolled by Sid Meier. Again.
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Feb 15, 2019 19:32
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I swear to God I once had a R&F game where Genghis conquered like a half dozen+ cities/most of a continent in the midgame. I can't say for certain those cities had walls but this was well into the mediaeval/renaissance and it's not like the AI is shy about building the things. Then our borders met and one of my cities ate his entire army 
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Feb 15, 2019 21:18
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Straight White Shark posted:I had the same happen too--4 civs on my continent, one of them took a weak border city from another, and the 3 of us went in on an emergency to retake it. Both the AIs actually contributed. Do you still have to make a decision whether to join or not without knowing if the other Civs will?
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Feb 15, 2019 21:21
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You guys should just play with AI+. AI+ don't give a poo poo about your walls and will send carpets of units to take your cities if it senses weakness. The Quo's combined tweaks mod also makes building walls a bit harder (and is modular so you can turn off changes you don't like). Makes the early game very tense on higher difficulties.
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Feb 15, 2019 21:24
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John F Bennett posted:Why did they change position of all of the YES and NO buttons? Now I accidentally deleted my savegame. 
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Feb 15, 2019 21:27
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I just want to try the new great bath wonder but even on king it’s taken by turn 20 every time.
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Feb 15, 2019 21:44
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Away all Goats posted:Do you still have to make a decision whether to join or not without knowing if the other Civs will? Yeah, but they will actually join now. So it's not as bad.
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Feb 15, 2019 23:39
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Gort posted:
I think the apparent stupidity may be caused by the fact that it’s you declaring the war. And at the very beginning of the game. The AI may be running other plans (like settling more cities, building up infrastructure) and doesn’t really want to fight you. You’re testing a very weird scenario (information era with a single city), I doubt the AI was build for that.
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Feb 16, 2019 00:22
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The Human Crouton posted:Yeah, but they will actually join now. So it's not as bad. Oh so they just never joined those before? That explains a lot.
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Feb 16, 2019 00:26
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I genuinely don't understand how the ai is this incompetent. I mean, poo poo's hard, but not that hard. And this is the same studio that's made the X-Com reboots 
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Feb 16, 2019 00:45
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Fuligin posted:I genuinely don't understand how the ai is this incompetent. I mean, poo poo's hard, but not that hard. And this is the same studio that's made the X-Com reboots AI is really hard to do, and it gets harder the more and more kitchen-sink ideas the devs keep tossing into the game. A game like the original master of orion can have an amazing seeming AI because the core of how the economy and warfare and diplomacy work are simple enough for an AI to master but still present tons of depth for a human player. Games like Civ6 and Stellaris though constantly fail to provide AI's that even give the illusion it can handle the basics of the game's core mechanics because modern strategy games have decided to be needlessly complicated. At some level it feels like modern strategy games are design specifically to trip up AI's on fussy busy-work mechanics that a human can very quickly master to see the optimal solution but it requires a bunch of annoying clicking, while the AI absolutely fails. Any player can understand the hex based 1-unit-per-hex combat very quickly, they can see a fortified city and quick come up with a basic plan to surround the city with artillery and battleships and blast away at the defenses then move in with fast-moving units or those musketmen you've got fortified around the city. It's not really fun or interesting as a player, it's just a bunch of fiddly unit ordering and bombarding over and over. At the same time, it's often incredibly difficult to program an AI that can so easily assess a situation like that and correctly maneuver its units into roughly optimal positions. I'd much rather civ go back to it's roots and stop bolting on so many sub-mechanics, unique abilities, asymmetrical civs traits, and victory paths and focus on making an interesting and challenging game the AI can come close to master, or at least give the illusion it has.
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Feb 16, 2019 01:02
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Ok double post, but case in point in needlessly complicated detail: I have some spies and some empty museums. Great works heists sound fun, but how the hell do I find out who has what? The same goes for all this resource horse-trading, where can I see at a glance who has what? I want some niter, how do I find out which of these 8 civs has some niter beyond opening diplomacy and fussing through the trade screens?
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Feb 16, 2019 01:04
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markus_cz posted:I think the apparent stupidity may be caused by the fact that it’s you declaring the war. And at the very beginning of the game. The AI may be running other plans (like settling more cities, building up infrastructure) and doesn’t really want to fight you. You’re testing a very weird scenario (information era with a single city), I doubt the AI was build for that. Yeah, I've tried out similar things in Civ V and the AI usually doesn't bother showing up until I've been at war with them for 120-150 turns.
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Feb 16, 2019 01:39
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I have a bunch of hydro dams supplying what I think is more than enough power for my whole empire (is there a screen that shows total production/demand for power?) but how do I scrap these coal plants? I'm just starting to get environmental alerts and I'd love to curb it asap.
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Feb 16, 2019 01:54
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I just had an emergency when Spain invaded my allied CS Lisbon where the only AI participating decided to... peace out after 2 turns? How does that work?
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Feb 16, 2019 01:58
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Baronjutter posted:AI is really hard to do, and it gets harder the more and more kitchen-sink ideas the devs keep tossing into the game. A game like the original master of orion can have an amazing seeming AI because the core of how the economy and warfare and diplomacy work are simple enough for an AI to master but still present tons of depth for a human player. Games like Civ6 and Stellaris though constantly fail to provide AI's that even give the illusion it can handle the basics of the game's core mechanics because modern strategy games have decided to be needlessly complicated. At some level it feels like modern strategy games are design specifically to trip up AI's on fussy busy-work mechanics that a human can very quickly master to see the optimal solution but it requires a bunch of annoying clicking, while the AI absolutely fails. I also think you are overstating the difficulty of designing an ai that can, in the case of 6 specifically, do things like recognize "opponent's last city, i have units in range, i should attack" or "opponent has literally no units, and one city, do not surrender to them." There are TBS games with functional tactical AI, these are not unsolvable problems
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Feb 16, 2019 02:07
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Baronjutter posted:I have a bunch of hydro dams supplying what I think is more than enough power for my whole empire (is there a screen that shows total production/demand for power?) but how do I scrap these coal plants? I'm just starting to get environmental alerts and I'd love to curb it asap. I know you can do a project to change the type of power plant if you want to swap from coal to less polluting oil or nuclear plant. Nuclear's probably the way to go since it gives science, but you have to do a maintenance project every 20-30 turns. I...would like to think that the amount of power you generate (not just the amount of power plants you have) affects the amount of pollution you create. But who knows with Firaxis. dy. posted:You guys should just play with AI+. AI+ don't give a poo poo about your walls and will send carpets of units to take your cities if it senses weakness. I was all excited but just checked this. AI+ is (understandably) not updated for Gathering Storm. I just want the AI to have the ability to take at least other AI's cities. Also, something to turn down the frequency they ask to trade. No I will not turn over The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka, I turned you down the last ten times, what makes you think I'll do it now after waiting five turns!? Alkydere fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Feb 16, 2019 02:36
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Shield of Christianity As Hungary, have Christianity as your dominant religion and defeat a unit who's Civilization's dominant religion is not Christianity Christianity isn't a premade religion in the game. Think it means Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox. Using IRL history it should be Catholic.
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Feb 16, 2019 02:49
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Baronjutter posted:I have a bunch of hydro dams supplying what I think is more than enough power for my whole empire (is there a screen that shows total production/demand for power?) but how do I scrap these coal plants? I'm just starting to get environmental alerts and I'd love to curb it asap.
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Feb 16, 2019 04:58
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Baronjutter posted:Ok double post, but case in point in needlessly complicated detail: Baronjutter posted:The same goes for all this resource horse-trading, where can I see at a glance who has what?
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Feb 16, 2019 05:02
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Uziduke posted:Shield of Christianity Oh sure, give that to the Huns instead of the Empire grumble grumble
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Feb 16, 2019 05:02
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Cranked the disasters up to 4 to see what would happen. 10 turn droughts are certainly a thing! On the other hand, so are Haboobs that roll +fertility 21 times.
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Feb 16, 2019 06:21
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Tom Tucker posted:I just want to try the new great bath wonder but even on king it’s taken by turn 20 every time. Hell I just want to build *any* wonder. I'm at like turn 150 and some jerk AI has sniped or built every one.
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Feb 16, 2019 08:22
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Fleetwood Crack posted:You can't straight up scrap the coal plants, but you can convert them to oil or nuclear later on. That's insane, the world will be underwater by the time my people even figure out how to extract oil let alone nuclear power. The world shouldn't be flooding in 1700 because a single 5-city country built a few coal plants. Scrapping buildings needs to be a thing and sea level rise needs to be limited to fairly late in the whole climate disaster phase. I lost a bunch of my most valuable tiles to climate change at the very beginnings of the industrial revolution. Think I'm going to shelve this until there's some balance mods and more quality of life interface stuff.
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