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Memento posted:But it's an imaginary line? Can't you just say "here's the line, it's where we say it is because we say so, go about your Judaica as normal"? They get away with it because it's a real physical line. I'm sure someone is trying to figure out how to justify getting away with the idea of a line instead though, that'd be way easier.
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I think during Sandy there were problems stemming from eruv repairs taking precedence over infrastructure repairs. Also are you allowed to Twitter during Shabbat? https://twitter.com/ManhattanEruv/status/264101655711207424?s=20 e: Atlas Obscura article for new page
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:I think during Sandy there were problems stemming from eruv repairs taking precedence over infrastructure repairs. They probably keep a few goy on staff just for this type of situation. I could also see this being a community-wide effort, including even non-Jew volunteers.
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Feb 15, 2019 23:35
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Someone explain this Eruv thing to me. Google just tells me it's an area designated for Jewish households were where nothing happens on Shabbos. What's all the "down in 22 places" stuff?
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Feb 15, 2019 23:39
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i just thought of an awesome username for a truckfuckling forums poster "Seedy L" 
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Azhais posted:Someone explain this Eruv thing to me. Google just tells me it's an area designated for Jewish households were where nothing happens on Shabbos. What's all the "down in 22 places" stuff? The linked article explains it. The tl;dr is that there's a wire line around Manhattan that makes it a "dwelling" so that Jewish people can do things like walk with canes or carry groceries on Saturday, which is normally forbidden outside their homes. It makes zero sense unless you're Jewish, but for them it's very important.
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Azhais posted:Someone explain this Eruv thing to me. Google just tells me it's an area designated for Jewish households were where nothing happens on Shabbos. What's all the "down in 22 places" stuff? It's an area designated by a physical boundary, which has to be intact to retain its significance. If the wire is knocked down, it doesn't count as a valid eruv any more, and if they don't fix it before Shabbat it doesn't perform its function and observant Jews can't do the things they would not otherwise be allowed to do. It's a religious directive so it won't ever necessarily make rational sense to non-observers. Ornamental Dingbat posted:Also are you allowed to Twitter during Shabbat? Probably not, but 11/1/2012 was a Thursday.
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If it is broken on the Saturday though couldn't you just get a gentile to repair it?
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Azhais posted:Someone explain this Eruv thing to me. Google just tells me it's an area designated for Jewish households were where nothing happens on Shabbos. What's all the "down in 22 places" stuff? Especially observant Jews are not allowed to bring things from a private dwelling more than 4 cubits (about 2 meters) into the public during the Sabbath. Obviously, this would make doing basically any normal person thing on a Sunday (like carrying your keys, pushing a stroller, or going outside with your medication) virtually impossible. But observant Jews are nothing if not rules lawyers, so they create symbolic "walls" with wire to turn the entire area surrounded into a "private domain" and thus allowable to be in during the Sabbath. If there's a break in the line, technically all the Jews who take these items outside are now violating the Sabbath and thus in big trouble with God.
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if there is not a awesome jewish catburglar taking advantage of this massive private domicile rules lawyering im going to be very sad.
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chitoryu12 posted:Especially observant Jews are not allowed to bring things from a private dwelling more than 4 cubits (about 2 meters) into the public during the Sabbath. Obviously, this would make doing basically any normal person thing on a Sunday (like carrying your keys, pushing a stroller, or going outside with your medication) virtually impossible. But observant Jews are nothing if not rules lawyers, so they create symbolic "walls" with wire to turn the entire area surrounded into a "private domain" and thus allowable to be in during the Sabbath. Couldn't they also get around this problem by walking out of their house stark naked and having someone outside give them clothes? 
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Azhais posted:Couldn't they also get around this problem by walking out of their house stark naked and having someone outside give them clothes? No, giving gifts is an act of violen- wait this isn't the r/relationships thread
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Dr. Despair posted:They get away with it because it's a real physical line. I'm sure someone is trying to figure out how to justify getting away with the idea of a line instead though, that'd be way easier. Whoever manages to come up with a religiously acceptable "conceptual walls count" argument will go down as a theological genius in rabbinical circles.
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Proteus Jones posted:Whoever manages to come up with a religiously acceptable "conceptual walls count" argument will go down as a theological genius in rabbinical circles. Sounds like someone needs to make an augmented reality app with a wall. Bonus that you can set it up the day beforehand to have the wall wherever you need.
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Orvin posted:Sounds like someone needs to make an augmented reality app with a wall. Bonus that you can set it up the day beforehand to have the wall wherever you need. Someone fixed the problem without tech. 
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Proteus Jones posted:Whoever manages to come up with a religiously acceptable "conceptual walls count" argument will go down as a theological genius in rabbinical circles. This was a concept that made more sense when cities had walls, which isn't entirely feasible now. There have been numerous legal disputes presented against the modern day wires but the eruv committees usually don't have a problem getting competent legal council and generally win the cases.
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Private Speech posted:Even more rules-lawyery form of Eruv is the Eruv techumin. Quoting from wikipedia: I'm sure there are other rules but under the 70 cubit (~40m) rule I'm pretty sure I could walk from Washington to Boston.
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https://twitter.com/dantej21/status/1096550488714170368
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Why would you drive so fast that your stopping distance is longer than you can see? You're literally setting yourself up to fail.
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jobson groeth posted:Why would you drive so fast that your stopping distance is longer than you can see? You're literally setting yourself up to fail. People are stupid.
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A relative-by-marriage got decapitated doing that poo poo. Went over a blind hill at speed in weather like that and a semi was jackknifed across the road. I heard her head landed in the lap of the guy (who survived) in the passenger seat.
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It seems like it would be easier to make the argument that the eruv needs to exist to some extent, but it doesn't actually matter if there's a break in it at this exact moment. It's not like your house stops being a house when you have a window open, you know?
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Tanika, please stay in the truck. 
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Bonus OSHA audio with that one. *You are inside a large and stable metal object, with smaller metal objects careening towards your position. You have a very generous buffer between you and their direct angle of approach*  "We gotta get out of the truck!!!"
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I remember when I was driving up to colorado with my friend in her Jeep Cherokee. i'm driving on a snowy highway going as fast as I feel is safe with 4wd. Then this guy in a car kept trying to pass me. He would get a little ahead of me but then his car would go a bit too fast and would get squirrely and he'd slow down. I kept thinking "Jeez dude, gently caress off. I don't want to get into a wreck just because you're an idiot." I don't know how he planned on getting over because the center line was pretty much just slush and ice.
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Jabor posted:It seems like it would be easier to make the argument that the eruv needs to exist to some extent, but it doesn't actually matter if there's a break in it at this exact moment. It's not like your house stops being a house when you have a window open, you know? If your city walls have a gap in them, you don’t have a walled city. Don’t want gaps appearing in the wall so easily? Build a better wall.
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jobson groeth posted:Why would you drive so fast that your stopping distance is longer than you can see? You're literally setting yourself up to fail. If you're the only person doing 1/3rd of the normal speed limit - everyone else is just keeping their foot to the floor and hoping for the best - I guess you're probably more likely to be rear-ended? I already have this concern when I slow down for construction or emergency services when there's perfect visibility, I think I'd just get the hell off the road if I was in conditions like the above.
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jobson groeth posted:Why would you drive so fast that your stopping distance is longer than you can see? You're literally setting yourself up to fail. Even in Montreal/Quebec, where Winter lasts around 15 years, people drive like goddamn idiots. Kansas obviously (I'm guessing) doesn't have Winter tire regulations but Winter tires don't do anything about stupidity. You still have morons following you at less than 10 feet from behind after a freaking hailstorm.
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Proteus Jones posted:Whoever manages to come up with a religiously acceptable "conceptual walls count" argument will go down as a theological genius in rabbinical circles. And you bet there are scholars who are trying.
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Cojawfee posted:I remember when I was driving up to colorado with my friend in her Jeep Cherokee. i'm driving on a snowy highway going as fast as I feel is safe with 4wd. Then this guy in a car kept trying to pass me. He would get a little ahead of me but then his car would go a bit too fast and would get squirrely and he'd slow down. I kept thinking "Jeez dude, gently caress off. I don't want to get into a wreck just because you're an idiot." I don't know how he planned on getting over because the center line was pretty much just slush and ice. I live in CO and people drive like absolute dickholes here most of the time, you'd think they'd cool it when everything is covered in ice but nope.
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The Lone Badger posted:And you bet there are scholars who are trying. Not a scholar, but: make a circle out of wire of... oh, 1 foot in diameter. Declare the inside of the circle town A. The outside -- i.e. the rest of the planet -- is town B. Where everyone lives. There, done.
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jobson groeth posted:Why would you drive so fast that your stopping distance is longer than you can see? You're literally setting yourself up to fail. Because driving the speed limit on I-70 will get you rear ended under ideal conditions, much less conditions where they can't even see you. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Feb 16, 2019 04:26
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When was this?
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Burt Sexual posted:When was this? 
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Proteus Jones posted:Whoever manages to come up with a religiously acceptable "conceptual walls count" argument will go down as a theological genius in rabbinical circles. Maybe someone could make a small area surrounded by this wire, and make the case that the "Dwelling" is everything on the outside of that wire. Much like Wonko The Sane did in the Hitchhiker's Guide.
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Oops, I didn’t hear about it. Sorry E and can’t read
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Technically, there is over 2,000 miles to choose from as well, so your question is valid.
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Worst driver I ever rode with was taking me, two other people, and our luggage. We get stuck behind a line of four semis on a winding country rode, and he tries to pass. But there's no room between the semis, he'd have to pass all four on one go. I don't know if his car could manage passing one semi on a good day, but there was no way he was going to accelerate fast enough with it loaded to the gills as it was. To top it off, we can see traffic coming the other direction in broad daylight. The three of us passengers barely convinced him to get back in his lane before he crashed.
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