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“Alexa, model the rise of Islam without depicting the Prophet Mohammed”
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Feb 16, 2019 02:53
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Fister Roboto posted:Is that like when the kaiser stole the word twenty? 
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Feb 16, 2019 04:37
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I'm not sure how well Paradox would do with the rise of modern religions in general. The closest they get is the protestant reformation, but even that wasn't as explosive as the rise of Christianity and then Islam. And then there's some other upstarts that never got so far in the mix like Mithra. Then again, the rise of Buddhism is well-within the timeline, so who knows how any of that will go.
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Feb 16, 2019 04:39
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SlothfulCobra posted:The closest they get is the protestant reformation, but even that wasn't as explosive as the rise of Christianity  Christianity was a slow burn from Augustus all the way to Constantine. Explosive it was not e: Like, the death of Christ until the battle of the Milvian Bridge is 270 years. 95 Theses to, say, Henry the VIII annulling his marriage is less than 20. Arrhythmia fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Feb 16, 2019 04:52
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 I hope the Diolkos will be represented in imperator in some way, but I imagine it won't be. It was a neat innovation but it doesn't seem to be very well known (I expected to see someone at least mentioning it on the paradox forums, but I guess not).
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Feb 16, 2019 09:53
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Phlegmish posted:It's like getting angry that the days of the week in Dutch (and English) mostly refer to the Germanic pantheon. Stop forcing Woden down my throat Quakers number the days of the week and months of the year for this reason. At this point it's mostly just a tradition though rather than any real opposition to things named after pagan deities.
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Feb 16, 2019 10:26
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Don’t forget to tell them that some people don’t acknowledge him as their “Lord” e.g. a Jewish professor probably wouldn’t want to say anno domini. ANNO DOMINI BEATS DOT COM
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Feb 16, 2019 10:27
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Arrhythmia posted:Yeah, lots of people. Pretty much anyone who doesn't have an interest in history uses BC/AD in my experience. In my experience people who don't have an interest in history never say Anno Domini because if you're not interested in history dates before 1900 never come up in conversation, and nobody says "I was born in 1980 Anno Domini", they just say "I was born in 1980".
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Feb 16, 2019 12:30
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When I was a kid I was convinced AD stood for after death.
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Feb 16, 2019 12:39
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Reveilled posted:nobody says "I was born in 1980 Anno Domini", they just say "I was born in 1980". Of course not, I exclusively use the sexagenary cycle when referring to my birth year, you have to rely on context when figuring out which 辛未 I'm talking about.
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Feb 16, 2019 12:49
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verbal enema posted:ANNO DOMINI BEATS DOT COM Sega does what Anno Don't
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Feb 16, 2019 13:18
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Arrhythmia posted:
Birth of Jan Hus to the Peace of Westphalia is 279 years.
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Feb 16, 2019 15:36
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Birth of Jan Hus to the Peace of Westphalia is 279 years. Okay then the Protestant reformation also wasn't explosive. That's not what I'm arguing dude.
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Feb 16, 2019 21:15
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Yeah that’s a bad example as the Protestant stuff was also a rather slow build. Once it exploded it loving exploded but it was a WW1 situation more than an Islam thing.
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Feb 16, 2019 21:53
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Cynic Jester posted:When I was a kid I was convinced AD stood for after death.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:02
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Cynic Jester posted:When I was a kid I was convinced AD stood for after death. Yup. -infinity to -1BC ??? Jesus' life ??? 1AD to present Imagine programming that.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:18
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Is not wanting to deal with Jesus the reason that the game ends when it does? I was looking forward to getting to my own Julian thing.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:18
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Eimi posted:Is not wanting to deal with Jesus the reason that the game ends when it does? I was looking forward to getting to my own Julian thing. it's probably because they want to make sure this era works before trying to tackle an era with a completely different dynamic (and also to sell expansions)
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Feb 17, 2019 00:27
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Eimi posted:Is not wanting to deal with Jesus the reason that the game ends when it does? I was looking forward to getting to my own Julian thing. I think it's more not wanting to deal with the Empire but not having to deal with Jesus is a nice little side bonus to that.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:42
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there's also a lesson learned from EU4, that players tend to lose interest in complicated history-based systems that come very late in a typical game. consider the amount of interest in EU4's holy roman empire versus the french revolution
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Feb 17, 2019 00:45
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I think thats more about the enlightenment being half baked in eu, and the fact that you've generally blobbed out of control by then
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Feb 17, 2019 00:47
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The same thing would happen in Imperator as Jesus and Empire would also be late game.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:52
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CharlestheHammer posted:The same thing would happen in Imperator as Jesus and Empire would also be late game. 
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Feb 17, 2019 00:56
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Yeah Plus it doesn’t help that Empire in general isn’t that much different than a republic game play wise. I’m not sure what it would even add. Jesus has kind of a similar problem in that Christianity wasn’t a very big deal until it was so he would be born and then nothing would happen. You would maybe get some flavor text about weirdos in the east.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:59
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A Dynamic Jesus System where somewhere in the world in the endgame a random carpenter/itinerant preacher suddenly has a bunch of followers and is being a nuisance. The latest event you can get in the game is the news of their embarrassing execution and how you are sure that this will have no bearing on the course of history.
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Feb 17, 2019 01:06
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Dynamic Jesus Generation Algorithm here we come
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Feb 17, 2019 01:44
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prophecidural generated content
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Feb 17, 2019 01:59
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The prophetic messiah Mithridates Chandragupta has come! An ascetic Pict wearing a shawl. It has a Book of Legends and squirms and fidgets. Beware it's radical ideas on man's relationship to the gods!
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Feb 17, 2019 02:06
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah Plus it doesn’t help that Empire in general isn’t that much different than a republic game play wise. I’m not sure what it would even add. If you want to alt-hist it, there were a lot of would-be Messiahs in the 1st century BC. Having an event chain fire at increasing frequency until someone becomes the actual founder of a new Abrahamic faith could be interesting, doubly so if Imperator has something like CK2's supernatural events option where one of them - and not necessarily the one that founds the faith - really is the Son of God.
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Feb 17, 2019 02:11
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Funky Valentine posted:The prophetic messiah Mithridates Chandragupta has come! An ascetic Pict wearing a shawl. It has a Book of Legends and squirms and fidgets. Beware it's radical ideas on man's relationship to the gods!
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Feb 17, 2019 03:19
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Beefeater1980 posted:“Alexa, model the rise of Islam without depicting the Prophet Mohammed” That... wouldn't actually be so hard. Sure, Muhammad united the Arabs and instituted Islam, but all the expansion outside the peninsula, i.e. the cool gameplay-making parts where the Caliphs kick the Sassanids and Byzantines around and then game-of-thrones each other, happened after his death. So you'd just start Jihadi Sultans in 632. ...And I just realized that you'd have to choose to play as Ali or Abu Bakr, so maybe the idea of doing this without any controversy miiight be a no-go after all.
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Feb 17, 2019 04:21
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Alchenar posted:Does anyone christian or otherwise say anno domini unless they are literally performing mass (Spoiler: I don't know if you say that in mass)? The song BoB by Atlanta based rap group OutKast features the words Anno Domini
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Feb 17, 2019 06:51
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Also they don't want to model the Roman Empire because the game systems to model the balance of power between the Roman Empire and the Sassanid Empire are entirely different from modeling all the random states during the Republican period. They might figure out some easy solution but what would you even do if you played as the Roman Empire?
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Feb 17, 2019 07:08
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Marry a horse, same as CK2.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:13
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Guildencrantz posted:...And I just realized that you'd have to choose to play as Ali or Abu Bakr, so maybe the idea of doing this without any controversy miiight be a no-go after all. If only Muhammad had specified multiple times that Ali was his successor and that had been written down in some kind of holy book...
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Feb 17, 2019 07:14
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Coding dynamic Jesus will be good practice for when they need to code dynamic Marx.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:18
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Sampatrick posted:Also they don't want to model the Roman Empire because the game systems to model the balance of power between the Roman Empire and the Sassanid Empire are entirely different from modeling all the random states during the Republican period. They might figure out some easy solution but what would you even do if you played as the Roman Empire? Try to stop it falling apart every 40 years, same as running the HRE in CK2.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:18
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Barnaby Barnacle posted:Coding dynamic Jesus will be good practice for when they need to code dynamic Marx. Dynamic Jesus and Marx systems are the features I didn't know I needed until now.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:34
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Marx would be from a random German state in Vicky 2, wasn't he?
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Feb 17, 2019 08:04
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Beamed posted:Dynamic Jesus and Marx systems are the features I didn't know I needed until now. Actually, that could be a neat mechanic, defining your own variant of an ideology* and then whichever countries adopted that would more easily fall into your sphere and just generally increase the prestige of your country. Seems like that'd be pretty in line with the focus of Victoria, having geopolitics and ideology shape each other in a way the player can take advantage of. Plus give them meaningful choices like trying to go it alone and remain true to their own ideals, or accept the dogma of another country in return for protection. *Sorta like you can do Protestantism in EU4.
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