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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:i think its cool that gaben hires smart people and lets them do whatever i heard that wasn't really true any more
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i heard that wasn't really true any more yeah i figure that dream never really matched reality but it does in my head
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:man, defending dead-on-arrival artifact in 2019 Linux thread unable to detect sarcasm? shocking
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pseudorandom name posted:people actually like Artifact-the-game, they just absolutely loathe Artifact-the-business-model if by 'people' you mean to say that there exists at least two distinct persons who like it then yes, though it is likely to be garfield and his mom
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no, I mean people who like collectible card games acknowledge that Artifact is a fun game to play, they just refuse to play it because they hate the monetization
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:systemd is a mess but it's more good than bad and folks who are still pouting about it need to get their poo poo together Get systemd to drop resolved and networkd, fix their poo poo tab completion, and make it portable to the BSD family (even with a reduced feature set) then I might agree do the needful, lonort
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Poopernickel posted:Get systemd to drop resolved and networkd, fix their poo poo tab completion, and make it portable to the BSD family (even with a reduced feature set) agreed, resolved is poo poo
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Feb 16, 2019 21:27
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so glad I use an operating system written and maintained by professional adults
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seriously if systemd removed all the feature creep, 99% of complaints would go away I want a service manager and a cron replacement, not some lovely userspace/os takeover Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Feb 16, 2019 21:35
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Poopernickel posted:seriously if systemd removed all the feature creep, 99% of complaints would go away and I don't want to think about any of those things, which is why I use windows or macos
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Poopernickel posted:seriously if systemd removed all the feature creep, 99% of complaints would go away lol no
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i prefer the dennis system to systems dennis
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System of a Denis
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Sapozhnik posted:Distros don't matter as much as they used to. The only distinguishing features any more are the exact commands used for package management and the (rolling or fixed) release cycle. thank god (lennart) for this Poopernickel posted:Get systemd to drop resolved and networkd, fix their poo poo tab completion, and make it portable to the BSD family (even with a reduced feature set) patches welcome Poopernickel posted:seriously if systemd removed all the feature creep, 99% of complaints would go away i think you dont understand that the 'feature creep' is already optional components that distros could shut off if they wanted to, but dont
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it's funny when something is successful because it's better than the alternatives but people still get mad about it for ideological reasons. these same people also get mad about codes of conduct. lol.
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you know what we need? more shell scripts gotta keep those sysadmin divas employed somehow
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Nobody's saying shell scripts are better than service files just that all the other poo poo isn't needed or good, and didn't improve anything. How is resolved with its takeover of /etc/resolv.conf and its hardcoded google DNS servers a good thing? And why should my service manager bundle it?
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Poopernickel posted:Nobody's saying shell scripts are better than service files Progressive JPEG posted:
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:i think its cool that gaben hires smart people and lets them do whatever they fund a lot of people doing useful projects. the renderdoc guy, the spirv-cross guy, keith packard's xorg display leasing work, they paid the moltenvk people a pile of money to make it free, they fund a lot of lunarg's work on the vulkan loader and validation layers, they have valve people working on linux video drivers, etc...
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but what useful projects are they funding?
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Fiedler posted:but what useful projects are they funding? the project of not making games
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systemd should really sit atop Mach messages and service activation rather than DBus
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i will agree that dbus as currently implemented is bad and am glad it didn't get baked into the kernel to thereby be bad forevermore
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wasnt there a big to do around dbus and systemd
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yeah lennart said “take kdbus drat it” and Linus said “omg this is awful no”
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they should just incorporate Mach and use it for VM and message passing
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eschaton posted:yeah lennart said “take kdbus drat it” and Linus said “omg this is awful no” my memory is the situation was more like "please give us some kind of IPC mechanism" the the response was a resounding "durrr have you tried AF_UNIX sockets?????"
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Kamrat posted:Yes but most people aren't going to switch out Windows for an OS that just does Steam It's a console OP Also they should just use Binder  feedmegin fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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pseudorandom name posted:my memory is the situation was more like "please give us some kind of IPC mechanism" the the response was a resounding "durrr have you tried AF_UNIX sockets?????" no they wanted to build a complete dbus daemon into the kernel but it wasn't any faster than the userspace version. and didn't offer anything new to userspace. it was just dbus. in the kernel. for some reason.
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there was a reason, but it's been a while so i dont remember. something with guaranteeing order/locking or something that only the kernel could do reliably
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I thought Steam Machines where dead but looking at the Steam store I see a couple of them there. Early last year they purged them from the Steam store so I thought they gave up on the project. So I thought SteamOS was a console distro without a console.
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pseudorandom name posted:my memory is the situation was more like "please give us some kind of IPC mechanism" the the response was a resounding "durrr have you tried AF_UNIX sockets?????" AF_UNIX sockets suck, but they're already in the kernel and they already work they would have worked fine for systemd tbh, but instead loonert introduced a big external redhat-developed dependency because ~*ReAsOnS*~, and then tried to stuff it into the kernel Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 00:25
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aaaaaaag so much bullshit being spouted in here gently caress off
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its like 50 % of people in this thread has never touched a linux
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i was touching linux long before there was systemd. i was fondling its rc scripts and caressing the curves of the shell
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u dont touch linux, linux touches you
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Linux touched me in a bad way
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linux touched me in my bathing suit area
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i meant in the head
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let's be real, we can all be described as "professional computer toucher"
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