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Also they still deadname Erica in the credits of the remake which is just a great indication of how super petty and spiteful they are and not just ignorant or anything like that.
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Accordion Man posted:He's a big homophobe/transphobe. The new Catherine remake has an ending that pretty much states that Erica, a fully transitioned straight transwoman, would be better off if she was an un-transitioned gay man. Not to mention the stuff that was already in the original Catherine and all the gay panic in the Persona games since 3. It's really weird this is even a thing that's happening, because they seemed to handle Lala Escargot perfectly fine. in Persona 5, outside of like a single line where you have the option to ask "do I have to cross dress?" when getting a job with her, she is otherwise handled great. Like, no one ever refers to her as a man, no one ever gets her pronouns wrong, there's never a scene where a character is like "whoa hold on THAT'S A DUDE! Gross!" or anything. All the regulars at the bar treat her normally, etc. So it's not like they're not capable of handling this kind of thing better. They just choose not to in Catherine's case or gay characters in general. Though I guess Lala-chan is technically not trans and just cross dresses so maybe they don't consider it the same thing.
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In the demo your friend accidentally splits into 3 people and you and he^3 stand around making jokes for a while
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Speaking of endgame, I think I am hitting a plateau in T99. I can still crack the top ten but often I am the only latinate username and the #1 is a Grand-Master who drops 8 lines of garbage every four seconds like clockwork Learn tspin setups. They do much more garbage than anything. I think a double tspin gives the same garbage as a tetris for half the lines cleared
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Accordion Man posted:Reminder to play The Missing because SWERY is a cool dude and not a shithead like the Persona guy. The missing is like an apolgy for thomas in dp. Too bad it plays kinda lovely tho. The ideas were good but execution is week. Apologies for triple post.
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Real hurthling! posted:Learn tspin setups. They do much more garbage than anything. I think a double tspin gives the same garbage as a tetris for half the lines cleared Yeah this is the wall I'm running into, even building 4 lines as fast as I can is not enough to catch up with T-spin efficiency. I will probably boot up PPT for some practice in a less hectic environment
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Accordion Man posted:Also they still deadname Erica in the credits of the remake which is just a great indication of how super petty and spiteful they are and not just ignorant or anything like that. I heard they fixed that, they didn't?
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Electric Phantasm posted:I heard they fixed that, they didn't? Classic on PC change that, Full Body apparently didn't.
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 English voice of Erica and Trisha (tv show host)
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Help Im Alive posted:I don't think Japanese people are born with some kind of tetris gene Japan invented square watermelons, they are highly trained in the art of stacking
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i will give the missing credit for effectively conveying its big moment of emotional apotheosis entirely in lovely chatspeak
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It's not genetic but Japan has had a longer competitive history with both TGM and PPT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngp8qAprb_k&t=30s Americans historically gravitated towards NES Tetris
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Accordion Man posted:He's a big homophobe/transphobe. The new Catherine remake has an ending that pretty much states that Erica, a fully transitioned straight transwoman, would be better off if she was a cis gay man. Not to mention the stuff that was already in the original Catherine and all the gay panic in the Persona games since 3. ah yes, persona 4, the game where a guy is accepted because he's only feminine and not GAY, that'd be GROSS, what a WEIRDO
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corn in the bible posted:ah yes, persona 4, the game where a guy is accepted because he's only feminine and not GAY, that'd be GROSS, what a WEIRDO
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Accordion Man posted:Can't have a woman that likes being androgynous, gotta force her to look more traditionally feminine. ... Isnt that totally misrepresenting Naotos storyline in persona 4? Didn't she have to take up presenting as a guy due to the mysoginy in the line of work she wanted, but she still wanted to be feminine and not hide her true self?
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Pharohman777 posted:... Isnt that totally misrepresenting Naotos storyline in persona 4? Didn't she have to take up presenting as a guy due to the mysoginy in the line of work she wanted, but she still wanted to be feminine and not hide her true self? The problem in persona 4 is that it turns out everyone's true self is to be exactly what society expects of them. What a coincidence!
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Started Obra Dinn tonight. It Obra Owns.
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cheetah7071 posted:The problem in persona 4 is that it turns out everyone's true self is to be exactly what society expects of them. What a coincidence! How is Naoto deciding not to hide who she is anymore 'exactly what society expects of her'?
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Pharohman777 posted:How is Naoto deciding not to hide who she is anymore 'exactly what society expects of her'? Kanji's true self is to be straight Yukiko's true self is to inherit the inn like her family wants Naoto's true self is to present as her biological gender Rise's true self is to continue along in her original career There's a pattern that all of them start with the position of being subversive of societal expectations in some way and then end exactly where they were expected to end. Natoto's is addmittedly a bit weird because you could make a solid argument that either outcome is at least somewhat subversive but it's a running thread in P4 that you'll be happiest doing exactly what everyone else wants of you
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cheetah7071 posted:The problem in persona 4 is that it turns out everyone's true self is to be exactly what society expects of them. What a coincidence! At the very least that isn't true for Kanji. Kanji's problem is that he felt like society expected him to be manly when actually he was really into things like textiles and sewing, so he overcompensated and went all hypermasculine. His homophobia led him to fear that his stereotypically "feminine" interests meant that he was gay. In the end when he accepts his "true self" he accepts that his interests in things that society considers "feminine" don't make him any less of a man and he stops trying to pretend he's some aggressive tough guy. There's certainly a lot to unpack there and some problematic things with gender--like how his crush on Naoto ends up being played like a Twelfth Night farce--but there's more to it than "is Kanji gay, nope, he's straight, done" Harrow fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Harrow posted:At the very least that isn't true for Kanji. Kanji's problem is that he felt like society expected him to be manly when actually he was really into things like textiles and sewing, so he overcompensated and went all hypermasculine. His homophobia led him to fear that his stereotypically "feminine" interests meant that he was gay. In the end when he accepts his "true self" he accepts that his interests in things that society considers "feminine" don't make him any less of a man and he stops trying to pretend he's some aggressive tough guy.
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kanji's arc is weird but what makes persona 4's handling of his character actively bad is how yosuke's singular purpose in any of his interactions with kanji is to act terrified of the possibility of kanji being gay at any and all opportunities, in a way that is never criticized, resolved or even acknowledged by the game itself also the cultural festival in persona 4 is just an epic extended joke about how crossdressing is totally weird and gross but also fat people are vain and stupid. did we mention we hate fat people yet, well here's the comedy fat girl we bring in whenever we want to communicate how worthless we think fat people are
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haveblue posted:I wonder how many people look at that title and spend some time searching for the previous Obra Dinn game A New Boat is kind of rough but Nichols Strikes Back is the pinnacle of the trilogy imho
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Pharohman777 posted:Kanji's scenario also feels like its wrapped up in the 2000's era schoolyard bullying of being called gay or a human being if you liked feminine things. The Colonel posted:kanji's arc is weird but what makes persona 4's handling of his character actively bad is how yosuke's singular purpose in any of his interactions with kanji is to act terrified of the possibility of kanji being gay at any and all opportunities, in a way that is never criticized, resolved or even acknowledged by the game itself Yeah, Kanji's arc on paper is maybe the best one in the game, in that he actually undergoes change and learns to accept himself as something that society doesn't expect him to be. In execution, though, it's botched pretty hard because the whole thing ends up wrapped in a ton of gay panic played for laughs, whether it's jokes about Kanji's attraction to Naoto (but she's pretending to be a dude!!!) or Yosuke thinking Kanji's coming on to him or assuming he's some kind of sexual predator, etc. What could be a great arc plays out really, really poorly. Persona 5 shows that the series hasn't really gotten any better about gender and sexuality, either. I loved Persona 5 but good god the gay panic jokes were lovely.
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persona 4 is the most inoffensive persona game hashino has ever directed because it only has a character scream about being terrified of the possibility of a person being gay instead of literally portraying actual gay people as shadowy rapists but it's still an entire game where almost every character's narrative arc begins at "i think i might have personal issues that none of my rural japan family or friends understand" and ends at "no i was wrong actually" and the times it doesn't end at that it ends at "no actually i might have been slightly right but also my issues are not that transgressive or weird after all" if persona 4 isn't a blatantly conservative approach to writing teenagers with personal issues, it's a completely half-assed and wasted premise instead The Colonel fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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I loved persona 5 but will admit the style/soundtrack is overall greater than the sum of the game's parts. if the music was trash in P4 I think it'd be remembered as a shittier game.
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I like persona 3-5 bc I like the SMT battle system and demon fusing
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The Colonel posted:the persona team has mastered making mediocre jrpgs that are elevated by their aesthetics and story ideas that are vaguely related enough to social issues that people could come out thinking they're deep commentary I'd say that the combat and dungeons in Persona 5 rise to a level pretty far above mediocre and there's a lot of good there, though it's definitely a game whose actual story lets down (and even actively undermines) the ideas it appears to be trying to convey.
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Well. The story in Persona 5 got so bad that I didn't actually finish it. Which i usually don't mind in other SMT games bc the story is slight but narrative is the whole point of Persona games so it got too obnoxious to ignore
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Macaluso posted:It's really weird this is even a thing that's happening, because they seemed to handle Lala Escargot perfectly fine. in Persona 5, outside of like a single line where you have the option to ask "do I have to cross dress?" when getting a job with her, she is otherwise handled great. Like, no one ever refers to her as a man, no one ever gets her pronouns wrong, there's never a scene where a character is like "whoa hold on THAT'S A DUDE! Gross!" or anything. All the regulars at the bar treat her normally, etc. So it's not like they're not capable of handling this kind of thing better. They just choose not to in Catherine's case or gay characters in general. Though I guess Lala-chan is technically not trans and just cross dresses so maybe they don't consider it the same thing. Its kinda like its because Lala is in the "space" of where the director thinks that ""type of person"" should exist... Compare to like, the gay dudes who freely move around preying on young men. Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Harrow posted:I'd say that the combat and dungeons in Persona 5 rise to a level pretty far above mediocre and there's a lot of good there, though it's definitely a game whose actual story lets down (and even actively undermines) the ideas it appears to be trying to convey. persona 5 was undermined by the director's view that all women should be "cute" leading to one of the worst character redesigns in video game history Jay Rust posted:Man, SMT Nocturne is such a great game good news, the persona guy directed it and it's both the least offensive game he's made and also still a game with one single weird gay joke with zero context
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njsykora posted:There's also this which I saw going around Twitter last night.  tokyo afterschool summoners is a game that everyone can enjoy
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The Colonel posted:persona 5 was undermined by the director's view that all women should be "cute" leading to one of the worst character redesigns in video game history which character is that? Harrow posted:I'd say that the combat and dungeons in Persona 5 rise to a level pretty far above mediocre and there's a lot of good there, though it's definitely a game whose actual story lets down (and even actively undermines) the ideas it appears to be trying to convey. yeah the dungeons are so much better than the boring labyrinths of P4 that are godawful. same with the quality of life improvements in P5. I could never go back to that old poo poo again.
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