FMguru posted:

"carpe pecunia", surely?

feedmegin posted:

Pecuniam. Accusative case innit

bob dobbs is dead posted:

150k is deffo the figgie point at which lots of places will start shoving money into your total comp and rsus instead of your actual figgies. Knew a principal eng who got paid that much cash and 600k usd in rsus at a public company

Its solidly deec

Scionix posted:

Where are these massive salaries coming from? How old are yall? Where do you work? I don't doubt people are getting payed that I'm just not aware of many 200k contracts for twenty somethings in TX

jit bull transpile posted:

man the numbers people throw around in here as reasonable salaries always make me feel really bad about myself until i remember im a gay woman and make the appropriate handicaps to the figures people say they make.

jit bull transpile posted:

man the numbers people throw around in here as reasonable salaries always make me feel really bad about myself until i remember im a gay woman and make the appropriate handicaps to the figures people say they make.

bob dobbs is dead posted:

if you switch to the teams w/ the apple peeps i knew who would regularly get calls at 2am with a deadline to answer by 4am, you too can earn the fat figgies

(or you could be the sociopath telling peeps to respond by 4am, lol)

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

she'd probably still get paid less tho

bob dobbs is dead posted:

large number * 0.7 or whatever is still deec number, usually

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

i mean i guess the point is that she shouldn't have to switch to the really lovely on call at 2am team to make the figgies like the rest of us who get to work in our underpants and bumble around like idiots getting paid more and more and more

Fiedler posted:

you're in wisconsin, right? i would assume that factors into things as well.

Hambilderberglar posted:

I’m 31, moved from eu to new york and have no formal education past high school so im probably behind the curve as far as earnings go compared to phd havers. I have no idea what exists in texas besides afaik rackspace, and i have no idea what msps like that pay down there

jit bull transpile posted:

no I moved to work at an unspecified apple office. I'm making way more than Wisconsin figgies but not the crazy 200k plus rsus plus bonuses people constantly mention in here as normal.

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

MSPs are a dying business, rackspace included

you don't want to get mixed up with that poo poo

jit bull transpile posted:

no I moved to work at an unspecified apple office. I'm making way more than Wisconsin figgies but not the crazy 200k plus rsus plus bonuses people constantly mention in here as normal.

ratbert90 posted:

I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m in an extremely niche market with my skills and can charge a premium. there’s a negative unemployment rate for Embedded Linux Full stack engineers with a focus on infosec.

Stringent posted:

what does full stack mean in embedded linux?

Stringent posted:

what does full stack mean in embedded linux?

Stringent posted:

what does full stack mean in embedded linux?

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

i'm getting sick but i have 4 video interviews with the 'dream job' tomorrow. it's not bad and i can tough it out but it's going to impact my performance at least a little bit. do i reschedule or do i just apologize for being a little under the weather?

pretty sure they'll reschedule if i ask.

e: yeah this is a dumb question i'll just ask them.

ratbert90 posted:

For me it means everything from kernel drivers to the web front end.

Edit: And the systems stuff as well.

DrPossum posted:

DrPossum posted:

Hi everyone. I've committed to a major career change, but I'm somewhat clueless and am trying to get oriented on where I fit in with the outside world. Part of this is organizing my thoughts, but I don't have a lot of contacts to use as a sounding board for this. Sorry this got long.

I'm a particle physicist 10 years out from my PhD, I also have BS's in computer science and math. Something like 1/4 of my day-to-day now is writing code, writing simulations, and doing data analysis, though the code is above average scientist-quality. I like and do lots of statistics including Bayesian analyses, creatively developing and experimenting with useful models, done a little bit of machine learning (but a LOT of regression). My day-to-day languages are C++ and python, proficient in a bunch of others from java to fortran, and comfortable picking up whatever. I use big computing clusters and the occasional supercomputer. I've had to maintain computing resources for groups of ~10 people before when I was a postdoc which was a bunch of rando computers, some higher powered shared resources (like for massive finite element engineering computations), down to installation, managing accounts, and package management to having to fight against and mitigate the flood of security risks that comes from being totally exposed with public IPs at a university and idiot undergraduates who think they're clever. I also do sensor and hardware development including electronics (simulation and R&D, technical drawings, fabrication, testing, troubleshooting), but I am not terribly hardcore with that.

I spend a good amount of my free time with stuff like playing around with computer security, cryptography, machine learning, functional programming, sifting through data, fiddling with my Arduino and pi and soldering iron. This is where a lot of my technical passion lies. I do a lot of presentations and public speaking including to senior funding suits and lab bureaucrats and write a lot of proposals and make a lot of budgets and Gantt charts. I feel like I can handle about anything that's thrown at me and would consider going out alone if I had the right idea and more real world experience (which I don't right now).

My present researcher job at a national lab is forcing some unacceptable changes and situations on me, so I'm out. I'm 38 and I make $90k. I'm in the Chicagoland area and would probably take a small pay cut to not move (family reasons, but I'm single and could move tomorrow without major consequence). I'm confident my former employers would give me glowing references. I have no employment gaps, have never been fired, have no criminal record. I've not started applying yet but spent a lot of time looking.

I've been looking at stuff in data science and it seems like the best fit for what I want, though the tools they use are pretty different from what I use. There seems to be piles of jobs around here, though most are downtown which is an hour daily commute each way (this is fine as it's on a train if the job is good enough). I've tossed around the idea of security research, but I feel like I'm too far behind in that and lack the formal qualifications. Military industrial complex is another, though they ultimately require clearance and I worry about that from my sadbrains (but I'm not in debt, have no drug addictions, but people they talk to would be like "Possum? Oh yeah, that guy was depressed and drank a lot when I knew him"). I really want something stable ultimately low mid six figgies for my lifestyle that's not 80 hours a week of constant chaos at every level and lives or dies by the whims of funding agencies and federal shutdowns.

Do I have a shot at getting into something that is a salary upgrade off the bat? Would I be able to move upwards quickly? What am I even worth? Am I loving myself over by not moving? Am I looking at the right jobs? Should I really take a chance and go for clearance? Are there things I can do to sharpen my resume and increase my appeal?

raminasi posted:

idk about whether you're qualified for ~dAtA sCiEnCe~ or should get a clearance but i'll say this: a big thing you're gonna run into is the bias against people who've left academia. (this may apply less if you look for more sciency, statistical modeling-focused roles, so maybe prioritize those.) there's a substantial contingent of hiring managers out there who just assume that we're unemployable because we don't care about the quality of our work or don't know how to meet deadlines or stupid poo poo like that. (not that those people don't exist, but they exist outside of academia too, and insofar as they're more concentrated in academia they're not the ones who are leaving.

idk about salary in general or chicago specifically but i'd be astonished if you couldn't swing at least low six figgies.

Schadenboner posted:

TL;DR

E: Although yeah, you could go work for, like, hedge funds and make a stupid amount of money. Lots of that poo poo in Chicago (CBOT or whatever?)

dragon enthusiast posted:

90k is way too low for your credentials you been getting got

bob dobbs is dead posted:

I have unironically heard of tech major phd internships which after the housing stipend paid as much, annualized

dragon enthusiast posted:

90k is way too low for your credentials you been getting got

DrPossum posted:

I've always known that. On the broad market I hope you're right, and it's a few $k below a starting assistant professor at a public university (my closest equivalent), but not by much. I've stuck with it so long because I had some real autonomy in what I do, the hours I worked, the things I get exposed to (outside of the radiation), the tools I get, and people tend to stay in positions like this for several decades. This is being eroded and I'm getting too old to deal with that risk.

The only silver lining I'd posit is I'm too dumb to know what I'm worth outside of that context and people would see me as a bargain for what I'm asking.