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Gothsheep posted:I'm trying to get the COMET ace now. This is some of the most infuriatingly bad game design I've ever seen. I'm using the X-02, it's plenty fast, but you still have a razor thin margin of error that's heavily luck based, because even with all the gun upgrades I swear to god 3/4 times it just..decides not to do enough damage to finish off the target or the mission targets in one pass, and if it doesn't kill it in one pass, hang it up because you absolutely do not have time to make a second. And because of that you have no margin of error for the next 3 mission objectives, and if any of them fail, you have to restart the entire mission over because Ace spawns don't save though checkpoints. That's not how you do it - use the upgrades to missile speed, tracking, range, and reload instead, and pour everything else into speed, acceleration, and handling. Both the ace and the missiles go down in two salvos, and while it'll be tight, you will have enough time to get everything down before it leaves the battlefield. Never used the Strike Wyvern, so I don't know if it has enough upgrade space for all that, but I can confirm this works just fine with the Raptor. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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I'd do bad things for an Ace Combat with 1965-75 planes.
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Feb 17, 2019 14:04
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Darth Walrus posted:That's not how you do it - use the upgrades to missile speed, tracking, range, and reload instead, and pour everything else into speed, acceleration, and handling. Both the ace and the missiles go down in two salvos, and while it'll be tight, you will have enough time to get everything down before it leaves the battlefield. That was basically my loadout. Though, literally right after I posted that, I said to myself, "I bet I'll nail it the next time I load up that mission just because I made that angry rant post." and lo and behold, was I proven to be a prophet. Well okay, I also realized I was overshooting the MiG-31, which caused me to have to swing around to reacquire it, and lose a lot of valuable time. Still, I think the very thin margin of error combined with the one shot per mission attempt is poor design.
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Feb 17, 2019 14:07
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Gothsheep posted:That was basically my loadout. Though, literally right after I posted that, I said to myself, "I bet I'll nail it the next time I load up that mission just because I made that angry rant post." and lo and behold, was I proven to be a prophet. Well okay, I also realized I was overshooting the MiG-31, which caused me to have to swing around to require it and lose a lot of valuable time. Still, I think the very thin margin of error combined with the one shot per mission attempt is poor design. The useful thing about COMET is that, much like the missiles, he's just flying away in a straight line, so if you can get behind him, he's toast. Yes, I know you've probably realised this, but someone else is almost certainly struggling with this mission as well. I'd call him the toughest ace I've faced so far if SPIDER didn't exist.
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Feb 17, 2019 14:10
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Darth Walrus posted:The useful thing about COMET is that, much like the missiles, he's just flying away in a straight line, so if you can get behind him, he's toast. Yes, I know you've probably realised this, but someone else is almost certainly struggling with this mission as well. Oh yeah, that one was also real annoying. I used the F/A-18 equipped with LASMs to snipe the targets that were particularly annoying to get, but actually dealing with him was a chore. I think I just got lucky and had him spawn basically on top of me so I could throw a couple missiles his way and hide before I got nuked. EDIT: And yeah, I was grumbling to myself about two high-speed aircraft fencing that made me realize we weren't, I was chasing him and must have been overtaking him, and that's why my gun aim was off. Kind of ironic that I kept failing because I was too loving fast. Gothsheep fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 14:17
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Gothsheep posted:I'm trying to get the COMET ace now. This is some of the most infuriatingly bad game design I've ever seen. I'm using the X-02, it's plenty fast, but you still have a razor thin margin of error that's heavily luck based, because even with all the gun upgrades I swear to god 3/4 times it just..decides not to do enough damage to finish off the target or the mission targets in one pass, and if it doesn't kill it in one pass, hang it up because you absolutely do not have time to make a second. And because of that you have no margin of error for the next 3 mission objectives, and if any of them fail, you have to restart the entire mission over because Ace spawns don't save though checkpoints.
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Feb 17, 2019 14:45
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If you ask me the only Ace that sucks rear end to draw out is the one on Mission 17, having to fly danger fuckin' close to the Mass Driver for like a whole minute and having zero idea of if you'll ever get him until late in the mission. That's the most hostile trigger. I've made it through most of the game on a No Damage run so far. And I just beat Farbanti. After getting tagged by a motherfucking ship from 3000m away at the last three minutes of the first part.
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Feb 17, 2019 15:25
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I found GADFLY surprisingly challenging. Not because of his spawn conditions - doing that canyon run fast enough isn't actually super hard even on Ace - but because he himself is legit good at using his Berkut, and you have to bring him down fairly quickly so the goons he spawns alongside don't maul the assault team you're supposed to be protecting.
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Feb 17, 2019 15:37
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I've seen a few complaints about Gadfly. I accidentally tagged him with an EML before I'd even realized he spawned (I brought the EML to snipe AD Tanks because they're the real issue with keeping your buddies alive in that mission) and then was surprised at my kill screen during the debrief. Since he starts flying straight at you I'd imagine any of the TLS/PLSL/EML trio could knock him down real fast, and the PLSL and EML are even useful in that mission 
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Feb 17, 2019 16:15
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Yeah, I was using a Raptor with bombs because I like going fast and erasing ground targets en masse. Unfortunately, that meant I had to dogfight him.
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Feb 17, 2019 16:23
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Gadfly was one of the first aces I got before I was even trying to find them so I never even knew what causes him to spawn. Of course I also got Gazelle without trying and apparently that's a common pain in the rear end so maybe I'm just lucky? Mantis is still the worst imo because there's no feedback for if you do the rail run correctly and due to the clouds (and everything else) going on in that mission you might not even know if he's there or not until you complete a decent chunk of that fight. The easiest is definitely Jester since you can just destroy him before he even takes off.
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Feb 17, 2019 16:29
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A 60s/70s ace combat would own just for the sake of the design of its fictional super jet.
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Feb 17, 2019 18:20
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turn off the TV posted:A 60s/70s ace combat would own just for the sake of the design of its fictional super jet. https://tacairnet.com/2015/06/18/redeveloping-the-f-4-phantom-ii-into-a-mach-3-fighterspy-plane/ 
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LostCosmonaut posted:https://tacairnet.com/2015/06/18/redeveloping-the-f-4-phantom-ii-into-a-mach-3-fighterspy-plane/ I raise you with this:
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Feb 17, 2019 18:31
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:counterpoint: the f-14 is a piece of poo poo hanger queen Only one man would be so heartless and cruel to say such a thing, Dick Chaney.
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Feb 17, 2019 18:32
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Sulphagnist posted:Phantom/Tomcat crossbreed PERFECT IN EVERY WAY
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Feb 17, 2019 19:06
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Radio Free Kobold posted:PERFECT I disagree. There's something vaguely unholy about it. Like something Man was never intended to see. RE: Aces chat I'm bashing my head against SPIDER right now. I'm simply not good enough at this game to play reverse whack-a-mole with ground targets hidden behind geometry while avoiding missiles with very hostile terrain.
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Feb 17, 2019 20:42
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Warmachine posted:I disagree. There's something vaguely unholy about it. Like something Man was never intended to see. Use the middle level of radar magnification to get an outline of the level's geometry (and keep in mind this outline is not always properly aligned with the level) and hit your targets while flying straight down.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:06
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Warmachine posted:I disagree. There's something vaguely unholy about it. Like something Man was never intended to see. Take the Gripen E with LACM's to do it from range. Spear straight up through the clouds, and pop off a shot as you arc back down from a distance. Alternatively, you can take something with 4/8AGMs and just do your best high speed Free Willy impression over the mountain tops. I cannot believe how much mileage I get out of the Gripen E in this game. It's my go-to plane for the Stonehenge Defensive.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:06
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Katsuma posted:Take the Gripen E with LACM's to do it from range. Spear straight up through the clouds, and pop off a shot as you arc back down from a distance. Alternatively, you can take something with 4/8AGMs and just do your best high speed Free Willy impression over the mountain tops. The European jets all get pretty great load outs, which is frustrating when you compare them to something like the YF-23 that doesn't have any of the more ridiculous special weapons.
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Warmachine posted:I disagree. There's something vaguely unholy about it. Like something Man was never intended to see. Warmachine posted:RE: Aces chat
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Feb 17, 2019 21:24
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Since we've got plane nerds in here, is it really just the case that the Rafale was the French doing the Eurofighter faster, cheaper, and prettier, or is the Typhoon legit a better aircraft in some regards?
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Feb 17, 2019 21:34
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Radio Free Kobold posted:PERFECT I was gonna say we can't have a truly perfect in every way plane until I get a cross between my real world favorites, the Su-47 (or X-29A, I'm not too picky) and YF-23. Then I realized that that's just the ASF-X and suddenly everything makes a painful amount of sense.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:52
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biglads posted:I'd do bad things for an Ace Combat with 1965-75 planes. Now I want an Ace Combat with prop-driven planes
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Feb 17, 2019 21:57
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Crimson skies was so good
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Zomborgon posted:Now I want an Ace Combat with prop-driven planes It's called Crimson Skies and it was great.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:00
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Zomborgon posted:Now I want an Ace Combat with prop-driven planes We had them, for a brief sweet time: https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/Piston_Fighter
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Feb 17, 2019 22:02
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Since the aircraft of 2019 apparently have rail guns and lasers I assume that the AC aircraft of the 1940s had pigeon guided missiles and lightning cannons.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:10
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I really dislike the look of the X-02 when it's flying slow. The folding wings just look so flimsy to me.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:19
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:We had them, for a brief sweet time: Kinda hilarious to use in Joint Assault and AHL, they could be tuned for maximum mobility and have their guns automatically move towards targets in range.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:37
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LostCosmonaut posted:https://tacairnet.com/2015/06/18/redeveloping-the-f-4-phantom-ii-into-a-mach-3-fighterspy-plane/ We already had that one in Ace Combat 5, as the ultimate Rhino variant. But yes, bring it back
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Feb 18, 2019 00:49
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biglads posted:I'd do bad things for an Ace Combat with 1965-75 planes. so would most people here because by and large people are reasonable about liking cool games with cool planes doing cool stuff, but based on what I've seen the ace combat fanbase at large is unusually reactionary towards any changes outside a very narrow set of acceptable things to iterate on and a setting change like that would almost certainly set them off which just goes to show how wrong they all are!!!
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Feb 18, 2019 01:29
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Anyone got some quick pointers for mission 6? Managed to pull out a C rank with the F-2 and rocket pods (after about three attempts as well).
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Feb 18, 2019 01:44
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Cooked Auto posted:Anyone got some quick pointers for mission 6? The helicopter base in the stone pillars is a trap. Go for the second airbase instead once you're done cleaning up the first one. Also fly through the tunnel in that second airbase to spawn an ace and get yourself a funky skin and a lot of points.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:I was gonna say we can't have a truly perfect in every way plane until I get a cross between my real world favorites, the Su-47 (or X-29A, I'm not too picky) and YF-23. I mean, the Wyvern is also a Black Widow/Berkut hybrid.
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Feb 18, 2019 01:50
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The 1975 super jet being a Have Blue knockoff with variable wings would be very cool.
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Psion posted:the ace combat fanbase at large is unusually reactionary towards any changes outside a very narrow set of acceptable things to iterate on and a setting change like that would almost certainly set them off this is probably because the series was neglected for the better part of a decade (if not the better part of this century) so the only ones really left are the die-hard fans.
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Cooked Auto posted:Anyone got some quick pointers for mission 6? The answer to #6 (like every ground attack mission) is LACMs. Failing that, 4AGMs are pretty good (or XSDB/8AGMs but I assume you're nowhere near those); any other guided anti-ground weapon will suffice if you don't have either (except guided rockets which are just comically useless). Rocket pods aren't a great choice because it takes time to line up your shot. The key is It's better to just be spamming missiles at everything and scurrying for the return line when you run out of ammo every few minutes than trying to focus on using what you have perfectly.
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Cooked Auto posted:Anyone got some quick pointers for mission 6? UGBs with +area 4AGMs with +capacity LACMs or LAGMs if you have them (again, +capacity) GPBs are okay if you want but i never really use them in general, try and use every weapon you've got. almost all ground target only take one missile to kill, and you can line up your guns on a target while tagging two others with a missile.
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power crystals posted:The answer to #6 (like every ground attack mission) is LACMs. Failing that, 4AGMs are pretty good (or XSDB/8AGMs but I assume you're nowhere near those); any other guided anti-ground weapon will suffice if you don't have either (except guided rockets which are just comically useless). Rocket pods aren't a great choice because it takes time to line up your shot. The key is It's better to just be spamming missiles at everything and scurrying for the return line when you run out of ammo every few minutes than trying to focus on using what you have perfectly. I've had good results with the A-10, with the bomb load and blast radius upgrades. Can get S-rank and clear all base without having to return and reload once. Heck, now that I think about it, I don't think I've EVER reloaded and rearmed in that mission. Bandog told me not to, and I'm aiming for a good behaviour parole.
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