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It all sounded weird as hell but, 2019 weirdness-is-now-normal aside, calling an alleged victim of violence a liar is playing into a lovely meta of either victim blaming or denial. Predators rely on such public denials, mockery, and shaming to deflect accusations before they even occur. Shutting the hell up and waiting for info is better than sending a message of “If I don’t believe you immediately after an attack, I’ll talk poo poo about you without waiting.” That was more directed at Chich given his storied post-history than you anyway.
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mlmp08 posted:Dumbass who’s usually wrong: heh, today my hot take was correct. I guess I’m a genius now. That’s why I don’t replace my broken clock! Usually wrong? I didn't realize we had incidents like this popping up often enough that you had created a scorecard.
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mlmp08 posted:It all sounded weird as hell but, 2019 weirdness-is-now-normal aside, calling an alleged victim of violence a liar is playing into a lovely meta of either victim blaming or denial. Predators rely on such public denials, mockery, and shaming to deflect accusations before they even occur. Shutting the hell up and waiting for info is better than sending a message of “If I don’t believe you immediately after an attack, I’ll talk poo poo about you without waiting.” GIP explains rape culture
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Chichevache posted:Usually wrong? I didn't realize we had incidents like this popping up often enough that you had created a scorecard. Racism? In my America?
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mlmp08 posted:It all sounded weird as hell but, 2019 weirdness-is-now-normal aside, calling an alleged victim of violence a liar is playing into a lovely meta of either victim blaming or denial. Predators rely on such public denials, mockery, and shaming to deflect accusations before they even occur. Shutting the hell up and waiting for info is better than sending a message of “If I don’t believe you immediately after an attack, I’ll talk poo poo about you without waiting.” This is true and it's why I was waiting to see what the investigation turned up. But from the start this story had a weirdness to it because how specifically and cartoonishly over the top it was and people were getting dogpiled for even discussing it. Edit: To be clear I still don't think we know one way or another. Jarmak fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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It just seemed like the wrong kind of racism for Chicago. The noose stuff was what sounded weird to me. Our city’s racism is a “roiling under the surface” kind not an overt lynching kind. I was fully ready to believe it because it’s 2019, but it sounded weird.
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quote:Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe nominated U.S. President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize last autumn after receiving a request from the U.S. government to do so, the Asahi newspaper reported on Sunday.
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kupachek posted:Racism? In my America? I meant celebrities faking attacks, not racist attacks in general.  There is obviously a huge rise in white nationalism and racially motivated attacks in this country. Anyone who would deny that is a moron or a white nationalist. I only pointed out that this specific attack seemed suspect and it would be a real shame to circle the wagons around this dude only to have it bite us all in the rear end if he were exposed as a fraud.Now the alt-right media is going to whip this up as another part of their "liberal conspiracy" fake-news talking points. I know, they don't need an excuse to do that, they make them up when they don't have a real incident.
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mlmp08 posted:It all sounded weird as hell but, 2019 weirdness-is-now-normal aside, calling an alleged victim of violence a liar is playing into a lovely meta of either victim blaming or denial. Predators rely on such public denials, mockery, and shaming to deflect accusations before they even occur. Shutting the hell up and waiting for info is better than sending a message of “If I don’t believe you immediately after an attack, I’ll talk poo poo about you without waiting.” mlmp08, Help. Someone robbed me Look for two dudes with striped shirts and sacks with dollar signs on them. You loving retard. edit: don't probe me for "retard". Mental acuity is a spectrum without any defined "tiers" or upper limits. Everyone dumber than yourself is a "retard". Except mlmp08 That dude eats dirt. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Victor Vermis posted:mlmp08, 
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Regardless of the outcome of the Empire Incident, the Right was responsible for nearly all terrorism last year, this doesn't make up for it.
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CommieGIR posted:Regardless of the outcome of the Empire Incident, the Right was responsible for nearly all terrorism last year, this doesn't make up for it. Don’t worry they buried that report in a grave deep enough to hold back Ann Coulter. Can’t debase their staunchest voters.
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Looking forward to known attack-faker Tucker Carlson flipping out about potentially faked attack.
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The fact that people are so eager to latch onto an anonymous and (as yet) unconfirmed source saying the incident was faked is pretty hosed up.
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Victor Vermis posted:mlmp08, MARINEEEEEEEEEEE
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097116612279316480 If only there was some sort of government policy that mandated equally unfunny skits on SNL for poor, beleaguered Republicans to poke fun at Democrats. Some sort of doctrine, perhaps. Maybe it could be called a Fairness Doctrine? Alec Baldwin’s Trump shtick was funny for like the first few weeks of 2017, but it’s really lost its novelty. Its main value is that it keeps getting under Trump’s skin in a bigly way.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Alec Baldwin’s Trump shtick was funny for like the first few weeks of 2017, but it’s really lost its novelty. Its main value is that it keeps getting under Trump’s skin in a bigly way. I could definitely feel sincerity when Alec Baldwin was talking about judicial fallout and dropped the line "...and my personal hell of playing president will finally be over."
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Fister Roboto posted:The fact that people are so eager to latch onto an anonymous and (as yet) unconfirmed source saying the incident was faked is pretty hosed up. Just like the pee tapes right? We want to believe the highest person in office is compromised by Russians and that it will come to light. I want to believe his tale is true but it's so outlandish for the location and time frame. If his alleged event proves false he will basically be a giant fuel bomb for the far right. It would cause more damage than our president having an affair with a pornstar while his wife is home recovering from childbirth.
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Lets remember this when someone shoots up a news room or sends them a pipebomb, again. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097117499336855553
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if only he was behind on child support and we could put him in jail forever, right
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Proud Christian Mom posted:if only he was behind on child support and we could put him in jail forever, right
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Proud Christian Mom posted:if only he was behind on child support and we could put him in jail forever, right Refusal to pay vs being behind to pay are light years apart. But I dont expect you to pick up the small details like that. Apparently it sounded perfectly normal for a black dude to be recognized by a bunch of red necks ready and equipped to commit a hate crime in down town Chicago. That's really only something cops can get away with there.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:if only he was behind on child support and we could put him in jail forever, right ***pshht*** iron rose this is viva, how copy over ***pshht***
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Proud Christian Mom posted:if only he was behind on child support and we could put him in jail forever, right I mean, that seems a little extreme, but I won't hold it against you if that's what you believe. 
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McNally posted:I hate you all. 
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Fister Roboto posted:The fact that people are so eager to latch onto an anonymous and (as yet) unconfirmed source saying the incident was faked is pretty hosed up. This is always a thing. People latch on to whatever confirms they're already preconceived notions or biases. Whenever a school shooting happens, liberals call for gun control. They call for gun control even though the investigation hasn't even begun. Most of the time it turns out that the guy either had the guns legally and passed background checks, or, he had the guns illegally. Or, because of some gently caress ups by either the FBI /NICS, or because the local PD or Sheriff's Department or the state didn't send the required information to NICS, allowing the bastard to pass a background check. Or because a tip about the person being suspicious or dangerous wasn't followed up by PD. Conservatives on the other hand latch onto any story that fits their view that Muslim terrorists are overtaking the country. Look at how they reacted when the San Bernardino terror attack happened. Complete overreactions, calls for Muslim bands, etc etc. When people of color are hurt or killed in officer involved shootings, BLM and many in the left immediately come out condemning the police. Conservatives and MAGA chuds come out and say thinly veiled or not even veiled racist poo poo like "thug deserved it." All before the investigation has even begun, before body cam footage is out. Most of the time body cam footage shows it was a justified and legal use of deadly force. Liberals and BLM still say it's bullshit. Sometimes body cam footage and/or other evidence shows it was straight up murder. Conservatives are silent. People are always biased and they will immediately cite anything that confirms their biases, even before all the facts are in, and often even after the facts are in. People are lovely.
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Bored As gently caress posted:This is always a thing. People latch on to whatever confirms they're already preconceived notions or biases. Whenever a school shooting happens, liberals call for gun control. They call for gun control even though the investigation hasn't even begun. Most of the time it turns out that the guy either had the guns legally and passed background checks, or, he had the guns illegally. Or, because of some gently caress ups by either the FBI /NICS, or because the local PD or Sheriff's Department or the state didn't send the required information to NICS, allowing the bastard to pass a background check. Or because a tip about the person being suspicious or dangerous wasn't followed up by PD. https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02/16/sources-brothers-released-bought-rope-used-in-jussie-smollett-attack/ Goddamn Crafty Beaver
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Bored As gently caress posted:
lol at this ignorance and acting like cops investigating themselves are gonna go "yep, he murdered that unarmed dude" instead of circling the wagons every goddamned time they can also gently caress you for that lukewarm take you poo poo
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What kind of piece of poo poo gives the Chicago police department any benefit of the doubt whatsoever They were literally running torture black sites. That was a thing that actually happened, not a leftist rumor.
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Wanna hear whats really loving clever? Being doubtful and shutting the gently caress up about it until something definite shows up. 
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No but seriously everybody should just shut the gently caress up 90% of the time they intend to say something, it would be like a whole new world.
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LingcodKilla posted:Refusal to pay vs being behind to pay are light years apart. But I dont expect you to pick up the small details like that. Apparently it sounded perfectly normal for a black dude to be recognized by a bunch of red necks ready and equipped to commit a hate crime in down town Chicago. That's really only something cops can get away with there. This was the main thing that seemed weird to me, the type of racist violence that happens in affluent white northern urban neighborhoods is usually "black guy "resists arrest" while being harassed by local cops for no reason" not "Cletus and Bo were cruising around with a noose looking for a black guy out past sundown while yelling to everyone how much they love Trump".
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Professor Bling posted:lol at this ignorance and acting like cops investigating themselves are gonna go "yep, he murdered that unarmed dude" instead of circling the wagons every goddamned time they can Also the fact that some of the poo poo they do is legal is part of what the protests are about.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Most of the time it turns out that the guy either had the guns legally and passed background checks, or, he had the guns illegally. I'm gonna call bullshit on both of these statements, but also even if they aren't, they're still extremely hosed up things to be going on, regardless of legality.
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Like what the gently caress are you even trying to say here? "HEH, those libs are so biased that they're mad about a dozen kids getting murdered by a legally owned gun."
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