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Oxxidation posted:ardyn is a great villain but he's also had more screentime than any other side character and i'm really not interested in getting the fine details of his backstory when the general summary worked well enough Pretty sure the only reason we're getting Ardyn is that it was already being worked on.
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I told my IRL friends that still care about Final Fantasy that there is a new DLC for FF15 and they thought I made a mistake. "You mean Kingdom Hearts right? Not the game they released in 2016? Who would do that"
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Feb 17, 2019 14:28
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Onmi posted:Pretty sure the only reason we're getting Ardyn is that it was already being worked on. Hope it's a neat story dump at least.
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Feb 17, 2019 15:25
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I for one am glad people chose to see the story of the cool interesting and pitiable main antagonist over this threads boring waifu.
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Feb 17, 2019 15:43
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I for one am glad people chose to see the story of the cool interesting and pitiable main antagonist over this threads boring waifu. All Dragoons are cool.
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Feb 17, 2019 16:01
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My favorite dragoon is Ricard, a guy who tries to move in on his dead friend's family, even asking the son to call him "Daddy". Then he dies because FF2. Then two games later we have Kain lusting over his best friend's girlfriend. And then Cid Highwind's abusive relationship. The moral is never get in a relationship with a Dragoon.
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Feb 17, 2019 16:04
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I for one am glad people chose to see the story of the cool interesting and pitiable main antagonist over this threads boring waifu. you said that last time and it’s still wrong
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Feb 17, 2019 16:29
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Mega64 posted:My favorite dragoon is Ricard, a guy who tries to move in on his dead friend's family, even asking the son to call him "Daddy". Then he dies because FF2. Then in FFIX Freya and Fratley have the most tragic and forgotten romance for literally the entire game.
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Feb 17, 2019 16:35
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Is all the FFXV DLC meant to be played post-game, or are there instances where it would make more sense to play it within the storyline?
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Feb 17, 2019 16:37
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Electric Phantasm posted:All Dragoons are cool. There's almost never never been a cool dragoon. The first was some rando that got eaten by a snake, then kain the eternally jealous, Freya the character who only appears in half the story, Kihimari and then Estinien. Fang is really the only one out here being not a terminal loser and that's mostly coasting on big lesbian energy. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 16:37
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its not kains fault, he got mind-controlled like 10 times
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Feb 17, 2019 16:38
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I kind of hate the Ardyn DLC already because the prologue lays the blame for his plight on his rear end in a top hat brother, which turns it from a story of arbitrary cosmic injustice to something far more prosaic
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Feb 17, 2019 16:40
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I for one am glad people chose to see the story of the cool interesting and pitiable main antagonist over this threads boring waifu. Pretty hosed up to say that about Lightning
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Feb 17, 2019 16:53
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exquisite tea posted:Is all the FFXV DLC meant to be played post-game, or are there instances where it would make more sense to play it within the storyline? Episode Ignus is weird because it covers some of what happens in Altissia but gives you a story choice that branches lategame plot and gives you an alternate ending. Arguably a nicer ending for everyone involved, too. When you clear a DLC pack, some items get transferred over to your main game save so that's not a worry or anything. THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I told my IRL friends that still care about Final Fantasy that there is a new DLC for FF15 and they thought I made a mistake. "You mean Kingdom Hearts right? Not the game they released in 2016? Who would do that" 
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Feb 17, 2019 17:13
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Don't Mog and Edgar count as Dragoons? I like Jump so everything else is irrelevant anyway.
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Feb 17, 2019 17:15
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FilthyImp posted:Episode Gladiolus and Prompto definitely should be played at the points in the story that pretty much do everything but scream INSERT DLC DISC NOW. Okay so even (correctly) assuming I am a huge idiot, I can count on the DLC episodes being telegraphed well by the plot? Like Prompto will look wistfully to the clouds and say "that sure reminds me of that other 4-6 hours of my life when..."
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Feb 17, 2019 17:21
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Prompto and Gladio both straight-up leave the party for a while so it's pretty obvious for them
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Feb 17, 2019 17:30
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Oxxidation posted:I kind of hate the Ardyn DLC already because the prologue lays the blame for his plight on his rear end in a top hat brother, which turns it from a story of arbitrary cosmic injustice to something far more prosaic exquisite tea posted:Okay so even (correctly) assuming I am a huge idiot, I can count on the DLC episodes being telegraphed well by the plot? Like Prompto will look wistfully to the clouds and say "that sure reminds me of that other 4-6 hours of my life when..." Ignis is telegraphed similarly to Prompto partway through the game but like others mentioned his DLC gets a little weird if you haven't been to the end of the game once.
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Feb 17, 2019 17:30
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zedprime posted:I think they try to make it out that its still slightly cosmically injust because the crystal could have intervened when Ardyn touched it but instead he stumbles away knowing that the crystal is officially off his side now. Otherwise it's just hosed. Was the scourge something that happened from the celestial war? The late game makes it seem entirely biological and weird.
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corn in the bible posted:Pretty hosed up to say that about Lightning How dare any of us think we're good enough for lightning. Corn you know better.
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FilthyImp posted:Was the scourge something that happened from the celestial war? The late game makes it seem entirely biological and weird. the scourge was started in the distant past by Ifrit out of his anger for a now-derelict human empire that abandoned the gods, ardyn and the nifs just cranked it up into high gear it does have a biological basis but that's just typical "intersection of magic and science" stuff
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Feb 17, 2019 17:43
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If I remember correctly it actually came out of the gigantic meteor that Ifrit hurled down and Titan caught, but I don't recall where I heard that or if it's substantiated in the game.
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Feb 17, 2019 17:59
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That's some loving Lavos/JenOva poo poo if true. I really can't overstate how much I love that there's all this environmental storytelling that ties into the Astral War. When you first get out into the world it's all pretty then you have these impossible bits of landscape that just beg a story to be told about them.
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Feb 17, 2019 18:45
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Gologle posted:If I remember correctly it actually came out of the gigantic meteor that Ifrit hurled down and Titan caught, but I don't recall where I heard that or if it's substantiated in the game.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:46
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Yeah 15 does a pretty good job of trying to tie as many FF references together as possible.
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Feb 17, 2019 20:19
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Does Gilgamesh count as a cool Dragoon?
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Feb 17, 2019 20:22
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The only cool Dragoon is one hit with Blizzaga.
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Feb 17, 2019 20:34
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Is there any loving reason to have a THIEF in the party in Final Fantasy because so far (everyone at 10-11 level) it just seems like I'm crippling my party having FTWB as the set-up)?
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Feb 17, 2019 20:58
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mandatory lesbian posted:its not kains fault, he got mind-controlled like 10 times No, but it's totally his fault that he spent 17 years on a mountain like a hobo and got beat up by his own 'Base desires' who He only defeated when he admitted, right in front of Rosa. "Okay, yeah, I wanna gently caress Rosa." He doesn't actually get over wanting to gently caress Rosa, he just becomes open about his desire to bang Cecil's wife.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:04
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Onmi posted:No, but it's totally his fault that he spent 17 years on a mountain like a hobo and got beat up by his own 'Base desires' who He only defeated when he admitted, right in front of Rosa. "Okay, yeah, I wanna gently caress Rosa." He doesn't actually get over wanting to gently caress Rosa, he just becomes open about his desire to bang Cecil's wife. I mean he clearly wants to bang Cecil as well. Kain just crying to be the third.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:09
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Onmi posted:No, but it's totally his fault that he spent 17 years on a mountain like a hobo and got beat up by his own 'Base desires' who He only defeated when he admitted, right in front of Rosa. "Okay, yeah, I wanna gently caress Rosa." He doesn't actually get over wanting to gently caress Rosa, he just becomes open about his desire to bang Cecil's wife. It works out in the end though because he ends up the new captain of the Red Wings or something and, more importantly, learns Blink and Haste.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I mean he clearly wants to bang Cecil as well. Kain just crying to be the third. No, he wants to kill Cecil, 'Dark Kain' and gently caress I still can't believe they decided to actually make 'Dark Kain' a thing, blatantly makes that clear. he's ORGASMIC over the concept of "Kill Cecil, gently caress Rosa." Mega64 posted:It works out in the end though because he ends up the new captain of the Red Wings or something and, more importantly, learns Blink and Haste. He also basically becomes Ceodore's dad. I mean Ceodore is barely in the story of the game so it doesn't matter, but still.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:14
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Onmi posted:He also basically becomes Ceodore's dad. It's amazing how loving little Cecil gives a poo poo about his son. The way the entire story is written, "Ceodore is Kain's child" would make perfect loving sense if not for Ceodore being confirmed quarter-moon child.
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Mega64 posted:It's amazing how loving little Cecil gives a poo poo about his son. To be fair, Cecil gives exactly as much of a poo poo about Ceodore as the story does.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:39
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Jerry Cotton posted:Is there any loving reason to have a THIEF in the party in Final Fantasy because so far (everyone at 10-11 level) it just seems like I'm crippling my party having FTWB as the set-up)? Thief is actually completely useless, they're physical attackers but do less damage and have less survivability than fighters and black belts. They're about as good at fighting as a Red Mage but without the ability to do magic.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:41
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cock hero flux posted:Thief is actually completely useless, they're physical attackers but do less damage and have less survivability than fighters and black belts. They're about as good at fighting as a Red Mage but without the ability to do magic. Well gently caress  About five levels ago I noticed Pepu (my THIEF) couldn't hit loving poo poo and when he did hit, he didn't do much damage. He can't even steal anything! Is there any reason not to go Fighter Fighter White Black?
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Jerry Cotton posted:Well gently caress well ninja gets really weak black magic so thats a plus (not really, yeah fighter fighter is just better in most ways)
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Feb 17, 2019 22:58
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I mean I like to have a red mage or a black belt over just 2 fighters but that's mostly for variety rather than actual optimization, fighters are really good.
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cock hero flux posted:Thief is actually completely useless, they're physical attackers but do less damage and have less survivability than fighters and black belts. They're about as good at fighting as a Red Mage but without the ability to do magic. They hit harder than red mages later on and Ninjas get access to FAST. Really though there's no reason to use them unless you want to be able to run from battles more consistently. Knight hits harder, Redmage makes up for weaker melee with useful magic, and black belt is just king of dps mountain.
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In vanilla FF1, THIEF and NINJA both suck. But they're much better in Dawn of Souls and later remakes since they have unique equipment that puts them on par with being a Fighter/Knight that uses low level black magic.cock hero flux posted:I mean I like to have a red mage or a black belt over just 2 fighters but that's mostly for variety rather than actual optimization, fighters are really good. I don't like to have more than one Fighter becuase you don't get more than one XCAL. But if we're talking straight optimization, even though Black Belt starts out poo poo, they're hands down the best in the NES version because they're the only class that can one-shot the final boss. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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