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I’ve reached the Moonbase in my rewatch. It’s so good. Among the best Cybermen stories, a small category I know. The animated replacement episodes do the job very well, I’m going to skip Macra Terror until the official animated version comes out. I was going to avoid reconstructions but I’ll put up with the cheesy poser model fan animations for more Jamie episodes, he’s the best.
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Yeah, I love The Moonbase. Really it seems like the only really good Cybermen stories were in Patrick Troughton's run (The Invasion is superb), and of course their original appearance in the last ever Hartnell story. Well, those and this I guess:
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Feb 17, 2019 01:15
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Good colour cybermen stories, imo: "Earthshock", "Rise of the Cybermen"/"Age of Steel", "Army of Ghosts"/"Doomsday", "Dark Water"/"Death in Heaven", and "World Enough and Time"/"The Doctor Falls". Not a bad run. Even out of the less good ones, only really "Revenge of the Cybermen" and "Silver Nemesis" are bad. The rest just don't really do anything with the cybermen. (The only one I haven't seen is "Attack of the Cybermen".)
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Feb 17, 2019 01:28
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Earthshock is really only notable (for me) for the surprise of their appearance, they're still the weird emotional 80s Cybermen which wasn't the best time for them. Rise of the Cybermen, Dark Water and World Enough and Time are both really good setups for stories that don't actually end up happening (I suppose you could argue in favor of Dark Water/Death in Heaven but the latter is far more a Master story for me). Army of Ghosts is great because it uses the Cybermen as a distraction from the real villain, and I still get goosebumps at the reveal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwN6vNBttws
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I've only ever heard of this, but it's Doctor Who as gently caress. Literally: quote:Adam Adamant Lives! has been called by modern observers "what Doctor Who did next",[3] because at least three Doctor Who alumni had key positions on the pilot. Most obviously, it reunited producer Verity Lambert with Head of Television Drama Sydney Newman. Together they had been at the core of decision-makers who launched Doctor Who. But the series also brought Donald Cotton, who had the same year written two serials for Doctor Who, back into Newman's orbit. Cotton and partner Richard Harris would write the first script, "A Vintage Year for Scoundrels", and would thus come to be credited as co-creators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOm5dlgQaVk The 1902 scenes are so earnest it comes across as almost an Austin Powers style parody, very camp and on the nose (though the scenes of him being overwhelmed by the future are among the most effective and believable I've ever seen in the genre). Watching a bit of later episodes the hero has that sort of Barnabas Collins "gentleman in the future swagger" and it's also very shades of Jago and Litefoot Series 5. In an alternate timeline, it would have been interesting for it to have run for 10 years and had a modern deconstructing of it--especially when you consider The Prisoner was already deconstructing the swashbuckingly swinging spy archetype at the same time (his voice and cadence sounds a lot like MacGoohan too). Would be interesting to see what BF could make of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOm5dlgQaVk&t=1140s "Who is your Grandfather, Child?"--yep, Doctor Who as gently caress.  "Sam Jones"  Also yeah Tennant could nail this, even in live action...
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Feb 17, 2019 07:08
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Spare Parts is the best Cyberman story of course
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Feb 17, 2019 17:00
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Flight Bisque posted:
Haha. Nick Briggs is going to have been in more episodes than any companion in like a season and a half.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:58
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Roy Skelton's 50 would be the real big one for Briggs to overtake.
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Feb 17, 2019 20:20
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Uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh ... this is a thing ... https://www.amazon.co.uk/SIL-Devil-...&language=en_GB
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Feb 18, 2019 02:40
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Davros1 posted:Uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh ... this is a thing ... Devil Seeds Of Arodor posted:An original drama from the world of BBCtv s DOCTOR WHO, featuring SIL, the ruthless alien entrepreneur from planet Thoros Beta, played by NABIL SHABAN. I think Philip Martin vastly overestimates how much anyone wants to see Sil survive, or let alone see Sil in the first place.
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Feb 18, 2019 02:58
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https://twitter.com/WhovianFeminism/status/1097252270637379585
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Feb 18, 2019 03:05
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I guess reeltime never died
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Feb 18, 2019 03:35
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They're also doing one called "Anomaly" starring "Gordy Lethbridge-Stewart", the grandson of the Brig. There's a big banner on the front that reads "Kate Stewart is Dead!"
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Feb 18, 2019 15:25
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Davros1 posted:They're also doing one called "Anomaly" starring "Gordy Lethbridge-Stewart", the grandson of the Brig. There's a big banner on the front that reads "Kate Stewart is Dead!" Wow, yikes!
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Feb 18, 2019 16:14
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Ok when you guys get going about various who-related people and who-related projects of varrying degrees of obscurity I often tune out... but this one is weird enough to get my attention - can someone fill in a few of the details of who these people are and what they're doing?
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Feb 18, 2019 16:30
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It's sobering to imagine old school grognard fans who hated Kate Stewart enough to kill her in their filmed fan-fiction and replace her with a man.
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Feb 18, 2019 16:34
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CommonShore posted:Ok when you guys get going about various who-related people and who-related projects of varrying degrees of obscurity I often tune out... but this one is weird enough to get my attention - can someone fill in a few of the details of who these people are and what they're doing? Reeltime Pictures made DTV "movies". Since they couldn't get the Who license, they'd instead license characters or monsters from the creators, then cast actors who'd been in Who to star. Sometimes as the characters they'd played (Liz Shaw, Victoria Waterfield, and The Brig), or sometimes as new people. And sometimes as "not" their characters (Colin and Nicola as "The Stranger and Miss Brown). They were made for about 10 pounds and not very good. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anomaly-Region-0-Multi-Region-DVD/dp/B079J85631/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1550505720&sr=1-1&keywords=anomaly
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CommonShore posted:Ok when you guys get going about various who-related people and who-related projects of varrying degrees of obscurity I often tune out... but this one is weird enough to get my attention - can someone fill in a few of the details of who these people are and what they're doing? They’re fan groups who take advantage of monsters and concepts which weren’t created by the BBC (eg the Yeti, Great Intelligence, Lethbridge-Stewart which are owned by Haisman and Lincoln who wrote the Troughton Yeti stories) and create their own stories which skirt the BBC copyright. They were more proliferous in the 90s when the BBC had abandoned Doctor Who, but now we have officially made Doctor Who as an ongoing series, they’re a little less relevant.
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Feb 18, 2019 17:10
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Oh, come on now! Be fair! They were never relevant.
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Feb 18, 2019 17:15
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Ah I see so this is like that guy from Elizabethan/Jacobean theatre who would just lift his plots and characters from other plays and books, repackage them, and stage them as all original works. What was his name again? Oh yeah William Shakespeare  Anyway that's weird as gently caress. They must have been profitable while the proper series was off the air but I can't imagine that they could be now. I suppose "film" is cheaper now than it was then, though.
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Feb 18, 2019 17:16
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Davros1 posted:Uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh ... this is a thing ... This is kind of sad because Nabil Shaban is cool.bit Philp Martin is a very bad writer, so this is going to be bad even for "weird fan project for the discount bin" level.
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After The War posted:Oh, come on now! Be fair! They did invent Brigadier Kate, making this even stranger
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CommonShore posted:Ah I see so this is like that guy from Elizabethan/Jacobean theatre who would just lift his plots and characters from other plays and books, repackage them, and stage them as all original works. What was his name again? Pre-BF, they had a line of audios starring Syl and Sophie playing "The Professor and Ace". The BBC came down on them, so they ended up changing it to "The Dominie and Alice". And they had covers like this:
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Feb 18, 2019 17:47
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I think my favourite thing about this thread is how eager people get to answer my questions and share their obscure knowledge of this show and its related properties.
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It's weird how people will get horny for characters in a way that lasts forever, and that Philip Martin is always horny for people being transformed into monsters, and people keep giving him the opportunity to write about it.
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Feb 18, 2019 18:06
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big finish should do a crossover where the seventh doctor meets the dominie
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corn in the bible posted:They did invent Brigadier Kate, making this even stranger What I really want to know is if they can license Brigadier Bambera. It’s a tragedy she’s not been featured in the revival. Well, perhaps tragedy’s too strong a term but it’s still a... now, what’s the word..?
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Bicyclops posted:It's weird how people will get horny for characters in a way that lasts forever And that's to say nothing of all the Virgin Books/BBC Books tie-in novels written, where
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Robert J. Omb posted:What I really want to know is if they can license Brigadier Bambera. It’s a tragedy she’s not been featured in the revival. Well, perhaps tragedy’s too strong a term but it’s still a... now, what’s the word..? I'm surprised she's only been in 1 BF, and that was a adaptation of TV story that never got made. Also, this: https://twitter.com/cutawayuniverse/status/1097102127632171008 Sydney Bottocks posted:And that's to say nothing of all the Virgin Books/BBC Books tie-in novels written, where I think the creepiest had to be Andrew Cartmel. Not only was it utterly gratuitous, I couldn't help to think "You worked with the actress for years!" Davros1 fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Feb 18, 2019 18:59
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Sydney Bottocks posted:And that's to say nothing of all the Virgin Books/BBC Books tie-in novels written, where I don’t know what you are talking about. 
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marktheando posted:I don’t know what you are talking about. And the BF cover. What's missing?
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Davros1 posted:I think the creepiest had to be Andrew Cartmel. Not only was it utterly gratuitous, I couldn't help to think "You worked with the actress for years!" I vaguely recall at least one interview with Cartmel from around that time, where he basically couldn't help gushing over how attractive Sophie Aldred was. Which she is, but there's a slight difference between "she's an attractive lady" and "cor, I wouldn't mind giving her one", the latter of which most of the people who wrote books featuring Ace tended to default to.
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Robert J. Omb posted:What I really want to know is if they can license Brigadier Bambera. It’s a tragedy she’s not been featured in the revival. Well, perhaps tragedy’s too strong a term but it’s still a... now, what’s the word..? Disappointment.
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So I just discovered that two Big Finish writers, Matthew J Elliot and Ian Potter, also perform commentary for Rifftrax.
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Robert J. Omb posted:What I really want to know is if they can license Brigadier Bambera. It’s a tragedy she’s not been featured in the revival. Well, perhaps tragedy’s too strong a term but it’s still a... now, what’s the word..? I'll write her into my story about Daleks
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CommonShore posted:I'll write her into my story about Daleks Nick Briggs: 
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Davros1 posted:So I just discovered that two Big Finish writers, Matthew J Elliot and Ian Potter, also perform commentary for Rifftrax. You wouldn't know it from Elliot's scripts. (They're terrible in exactly the way you'd think a Rifftrax writer would absolutely avoid. Just really really bad.)
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Besides, Ace was clearly a lesbian, so I don't know why people kept having her gently caress male characters. 
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The bizarre forced romance between her and that Soviet soldier was nothing in comparison to the obvious, natural chemistry between her and Mel in Dragonfire. Dragonfire rules, man. Ace and Mel should have had multiple serials as part of the same team, they were a fun duo.
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