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Sighence posted:My wife got introduced to star trek by Disco season 1 What the gently caress is wrong with you. Sighence posted:we're now watching Voyager. What the gently caress is wrong with you. Sighence posted:To answer the obvious question, I want her to see the best after having seen the worst, and pound for pound, it's pretty close but I think that's DS9. This is a completely rear end backwards way of getting someone to enjoy Star Trek. That's like introducing someone to Star Wars through the Phantom Menace and then moving onto the Holiday Special. You're trolling us, right?
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Feb 15, 2019 10:40
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I'm pretty sure the Holiday Special is something well beyond Voyager in terribleness.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm pretty sure the Holiday Special is something well beyond Voyager in terribleness.
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RE: sins od the father, you'd be killing two birds with one stone by introducing her to Gowron
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Feb 15, 2019 16:08
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Zesty posted:This is a completely rear end backwards way of getting someone to enjoy Star Trek. That's like introducing someone to Star Wars through the Phantom Menace and then moving onto the Holiday Special.
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Feb 15, 2019 18:55
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Whalley posted:Star Trek is not to enjoy. Sometimes it accidentally does something that you CAN enjoy, but Trek is not for joy. Trek is to Endure. In enduring, grow strong. Experience Bij!
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ashpanash posted:Experience Bij!
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Whalley posted:The real reason Klingon culture is the way it is, is because they invented irony way earlier than any other peoples, and now Just Fuckin' Hating Everything About This is the cultural norm. Lol I guess it's a good day to die 😂
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Brawnfire posted:Lol I guess it's a good day to die 😂 lol watch me eat these live worms guys lol XD i got such a good gagh reflex
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Feb 15, 2019 19:15
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Building my own Romulan ship to trigger the Romulans
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Feb 15, 2019 19:22
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In awe at the size of Chancellor K'mpec. Honourable unit.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Worf was a way better DS9 character than TNG character. But if you have to show her anything, I'd say Sins if the Father, The Enemy, or that one where the blue thing breaks his spine.
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Feb 15, 2019 19:56
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Holy poo poo, Satan’s Robot might be the best character in all of Voyager.
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Presumably Far Beyond the Stars could be a holodeck episode but I think it's more poignant for it to be a privately experienced vision for Sisko, rather than a shared adventure/art object like a typical holodeck story. Sisko makes it clear a number of times throughout the series that his blackness is fundamental to who he is and how he sees the universe around him. It would be less moving if like, Quark was also randomly there in the holodeck learning earth's pulp sf history.
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Feb 16, 2019 02:11
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Intruders!
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The way I see the episode, Avery Brooks the person is a fundamental part of Far Beyond the Stars. Brooks being a black man who grew up in a similar era to go on to depict a black captain in the 24th century experiencing something that puts him back to that era cannot be separated from the themes and construction of the episode without lessening it.
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Phylodox posted:Holy poo poo, Satan’s Robot might be the best character in all of Voyager. Bride of Chaotica is the best Voyager episode, bar none
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Not controversial opinion: Voyager should have been purely Bride of Chaotica camp
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that episode is OK, but the best episode is Threshold, followed by the one where there are con artists pretending to be the voyager crew
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The other best episode is the one with museum War Crimes Voyager.
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Kibayasu posted:The other best episode is the one with museum War Crimes Voyager. Actually a p good episode
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Pick posted:Actually a p good episode So was the con artist episode. Not great, but a solid episode.
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Pick posted:Actually a p good episode Well it is a Doctor episode.
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The single best moment in all of Voyager is when the crew says someone is going to have to play Queen Arachnia and Janeway smugly looks over at Seven and says “Gee, I wonder who’s going to have to do that!” only to realize everyone is staring at her.
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I have been a fan of Star Trek the Next Generation since I was a child and the show was still brand new. Last week I introduced my wife to the show and we are watching it on Amazon Prime, and she is really enjoying the show! We are just on Season 1 right now and there is a lot to get through, but I hope eventually we can watch Deep Space 9 and then Voyager.
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Zesty posted:
I'm not but I hoped for this reaction so thanks. The main thing to understand is that I'm not actively trying to get her to like Star Trek like your average nerd would. To your analogy, it's inadvertently introducing someone who hates lack of character growth or narrative development to Attack of the Clones, then Clockwork Oranging their eyes open to the Holiday Special, then showing them Return of the Jedi. I'm very definitely trolling her by monkey pawing her wish for those concepts, andI'm skipping TNG, the A New Hope of Star Trek, because outside Data and Wesley (and even I'm not enough of a monster to expose her to him) there's less of those elements than even Voyager in an otherwise landmark show.
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The episode where Torres crash lands on a planet in the Renaissance, and a playwright finds her and translates her stories of Voyager into a play is pretty good too...Muse, not to be confused with the DS9 episode.
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Sighence posted:I'm not [trolling] but I hoped for this reaction so thanks. 
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Epicurius posted:The episode where Torres crash lands on a planet in the Renaissance, and a playwright finds her and translates her stories of Voyager into a play is pretty good too...Muse, not to be confused with the DS9 episode. And not to be confused with the TNG episode where Data crash lands on a planet in the Renaissance. And also broke the prime directive by giving them modern physics.
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Sighence posted:I'm not but I hoped for this reaction so thanks. The main thing to understand is that I'm not actively trying to get her to like Star Trek like your average nerd would. To your analogy, it's inadvertently introducing someone who hates lack of character growth or narrative development to Attack of the Clones, then Clockwork Oranging their eyes open to the Holiday Special, then showing them Return of the Jedi. I'm very definitely trolling her by monkey pawing her wish for those concepts, andI'm skipping TNG, the A New Hope of Star Trek, because outside Data and Wesley (and even I'm not enough of a monster to expose her to him) there's less of those elements than even Voyager in an otherwise landmark show.
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galagazombie posted:And not to be confused with the TNG episode where Data crash lands on a planet in the Renaissance. And also broke the prime directive by giving them modern physics. Meanwhile, Wesley forgot his deodorant.
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"Lifesigns" (VOY S02E19) was a good episode, and for it the Vidiians were the best S1/S2 Delta Quadrant aliens. Tom Paris was more interesting when he had behavioral problems because that was the main thing distinguishing him from the rest of the cast beyond his loathsome arrogance while delivering life advice.
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jfc if someone wasted my time with bad stuff just so I’d appreciate the “good parts” I would dump their rear end
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Finally finished TNG; according to Netflix, I first watched Encounter at Farpoint in August 2016, and I watched the series in chunks of a dozen episode at a time every few weeks over the past 2.5 years. It's crazy how much better All Good Things is than any of the TNG movies. I think it's time to start DS9 again.
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Xibanya posted:jfc if someone wasted my time with bad stuff just so I’d appreciate the “good parts” I would dump their rear end On the other had I think a lot of the rabid hate on Voyager is a bit exxaggerated. Mostly it's guilty of being paint by numbers generic "Star Trek" that is derivative of previous iterations. As Gateway Star Trek it's not bad. Watching it first could heighten the appreciation of TNG and DS9 later.
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I've said it before but the problem with Voyager isn't the really terrible episodes but the fact that like 2/3 or more of every season has a lot of throwaway episodes that don't really do anything since there is no character development for anyone on this show other than The Doctor and maybe Seven.
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They really, really needed to make characters like Harry and Chakotay more interesting. When Voyager had genuinely good characters, like the Doctor or 7 of 9 (and in my opinion Paris) it was pretty solid.
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FuturePastNow posted:I bet you hate Frame of Mind too Nope, because I wasn't as aware of "missing out" with TNG since I was only 8 when Frame of Mind was on. When it's on once a week and you're excited to see what's next in the story then you get Far Beyond the Stars you're disappointed.
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Taear posted:Nope, because I wasn't as aware of "missing out" with TNG since I was only 8 when Frame of Mind was on. Get over it. It's all fake. Plot only matters to deliver ideas, and FBTS has a lot more to say than basically any other S6 episode besides, like, Waltz.
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